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He’s said on numerous occasions that Watson needs to work on a lot things.
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1. That is the assessment multiple posters made, but @steelbtexan became the poster child for. The other side couldn’t handle that DW had something to improve on and wasn’t some mythical god. People still point out things that DW needs to improve on, and people get upset like someone stole their birthday. It’s always someone else’s fault. No one can critique DW.
2. LMAOOOOOOOO!!! ThAt iS WhAt PeOpLe AcT LiKE!!!
Sound familiar? It should.
1. That is the assessment multiple posters made, but @steelbtexan became the poster child for. The other side couldn’t handle that DW had something to improve on and wasn’t some mythical god. People still point out things that DW needs to improve on, and people get upset like someone stole their birthday. It’s always someone else’s fault. No one can critique DW.
2. LMAOOOOOOOO!!! ThAt iS WhAt PeOpLe AcT LiKE!!!
Sound familiar? It should.
He’s said on numerous occasions that Watson needs to work on a lot things.
He’s said on numerous occasions that Watson needs to work on a lot things.
I can tell you one reason he may have done it. If he had gone down where he was it would have made the field goal at least a 30 yarder instead of 24 yards. Fairbairn has missed 5 extra points from the same distance this year.
I know we got a delay of game & it pushed it back anyway but that does not change the fact that Fairbairn has been anything but consistent from that distance this year & that Watson may have felt he needed every yard he could get for him.
I'm sure the Texans considered the points more important than the time off the clock.
Can you imagine what we would be saying if Watson intentionally went down & Fairbairn missed the FG?
Then that horrible defensive performance on the TD drive would have tied the game.
I love how Watson engineering a scoring drive in the closing minutes of the fourth quarter that puts the Texans up by 2 scores gets twisted to how terrible Watson is as a QB.
dude I’m the first to say when he has a bad throw/game. He’s been skipping balls in a few games. He wants to be the hero. He’s indecisive with which superpower to use at times.
BUT HES THE BEST WEVE EVER HAD!!!
Guys say he’s not consistent but don’t want to open the dialogue about who and why could have contributed to those bad games. You provide stats, facts, video, Pareto graphs, pie charts, first hand player accounts and still they say he’s not smart and the team could do better. It’s illogical.
luckily most Texans fans are appreciative of what they have with Deshaun and can enjoy the highs and lows of a superstar QB in his 3rd year. Two or three guys don’t speak for the majority and deep down I just feel bad that they won’t be able to enjoy the ride. We deserve this, it’s been a long, hard road.
What things did he say needed to be worked on.
Can you show me some of his posts
It was a terrible play. If he had gone down by the time the ball was placed and ready for play almost 50 seconds would've run off of the clock and the chance of scoring would've been slim. Not trusting your professional kicker to make a clutch 30 yd FG is a whole other issue.
I dont put up any pies, articles, videos etc....
You think DW4 will win a championship, I dont it's that simple.
I would love to have egg on my face.
This is what he's been saying all year.
Quote: Uncle Rico
He’s been skipping balls in a few games. He wants to be the hero. He’s indecisive with which superpower to use at times.
Steel .. you've created a false dichotomy, and then laid the burden of proof on others, and THEN when presented with plausible options, you've still stayed steadfast in your resolve of doing anything you can to diminish Watson. You've realized the limitations with O'Brien, but yet claim that other ROOKIE/2-3rd year NFL QBs or even COLLEGE SENIORS are/will be better than Deshaun Watson. LOL - YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION .. you are a TT OG, and up until the Watson selection had incredible input and perspective (still do for the record when it isn't Watson related). You've created a vendetta and have walked so far out on that limb that there is only one way to go! Using the "hope i'm wrong" line doesn't justify or validate you in the future it will only make you even more smug if this team were to win with Watson, but that's only half the fun! The path of rugged terrain leading to the summit is always the most treasured and revered by mountaineers because it teaches you humility and determination. Two things that Deshaun Watson has an abundance of.
Attachments are tough. I can empathize. I can only hope Watson continues to do things that make it harder and harder to criticize and allow people like yourself to enjoy the journey.
the whatboutism in relation to Bill OBrien is secondary. OBrien had/has/IS committing the same mistakes in year 6 as in year 1, but he seems to get a pass and an excuse parade for any one of his issues, but he has gotten "better". I mean honestly how hard would it be to coach a team with this kind of talent on it? I think its harder to screw things up and thats exactly what happens at times. If it truly is boiled down to wins/losses/championships well OBrien is still looking for one of those ... AT ANY LEVEL.
Im open for dialogue at any time, but I will generously return any intentional smear campaign with the same energy because its a reflection of our times. YOu cant just allow purposeful deceit, and gaslighting to run rampant. Thats how lies become truths.
Nice chat. Be well.
Almost like the entire football world sees him growing...minus the local experts.
"People"? Or just one person?
So people, or person? I see plenty of people that take the good with the bad - I see three or four who are in a internet battle.
No....local experts see him growing just fine. Internet trolls however......Almost like the entire football world sees him growing...minus the local experts.
Did they break down the picks or explain why he threw the ball away instead of going down and keeping the clock running? I haven't seen those breakdowns yet.
LMFAO!!!That’s one thing I like about steel even if I disagree. He always takes accountability for what he says and doesn’t try to deflect or spin.
He’s in his 3rd year. Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he has bad games. Yes there’s plenty of room for improvement. Show me a 3rd year QB where that’s not the case. Hell, QBs headed to Canton have bad games and make mistakes still.I think posters here are just flat out passionate no matter where they fall and that's a good thing. However, people seem to be painting one another into a corner. I think those corners are flexible. I think there is a grey area and I think there IS a middle ground.
Watson does make costly mistakes. Watson has some magic...
He's young and we should expect improvement. He may not be ready right now but can he be seasoned into it?
Maybe that's what we should define? Is Watson ready to be a sb qb now vs. do you think theres a chance he could turn it to a guy who leads a sb team?
I think my opinion on the topic sways heavily on the present vs. potential...
The problem with some posters here is that they expect that 3rd year QB to already be at that HOF level. He’s the franchise QB, he shouldn’t be making those mistakes. BULLSHIT!
Then because he’s not meeting their ridiculous expectations, they’re ready to trade him, or say ignorant things like they’d rather have Josh Allen.
They pull stuff like that out of their asses, throw it against the wall, and everyone swallows it up and calls it great conversation and making you think. BULLSHIT!!
Rk | Player | From | To | AV | G | QBrec | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yds | TD | Rate | Lng | Int | Sk | Yds | Y/A | AY/A | NY/A | ANY/A | Att | Yds | TD | Y/A | Lng |
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Passing | Rushing | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
1 | Josh Allen | 2018 | 2019 | 6 | 26 | 15-10-0 | 424 | 750 | 56.5 | 4950 | 28 | 77.5 | 75 | 21 | 62 | 418 | 6.6 | 6.09 | 5.58 | 5.11 | 191 | 1098 | 17 | 5.7 | 45 |
2 | Deshaun Watson | 2017 | 2018 | 23 | 23 | 14-8-0 | 471 | 709 | 66.4 | 5864 | 45 | 103.1 | 73 | 17 | 81 | 500 | 8.3 | 8.46 | 6.79 | 6.96 | 135 | 820 | 7 | 6.1 | 49 |
Rk | Player | From | To | Cmp | Att | Yds | TD | Int | Sk | Yds | Att | Yds | TD |
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Passing | Rushing | ||||||||||||
1 | Josh Allen | 2018 | 2019 | 16.3 | 28.8 | 190.4 | 1.1 | 0.8 | 2.4 | 16.1 | 7.3 | 42.2 | 0.7 |
2 | Deshaun Watson | 2017 | 2018 | 20.5 | 30.8 | 255.0 | 2.0 | 0.7 | 3.5 | 21.7 | 5.9 | 35.7 | 0.3 |
Year | Age | Tm | Pos | No. | G | GS | QBrec | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yds | TD | TD% | Int | Int% | 1D | Lng | Y/A | AY/A | Y/C | Y/G | Rate | QBR | Sk | Yds | NY/A | ANY/A | Sk% | 4QC | GWD | AV |
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2017 | 22 | HOU | qb | 4 | 7 | 6 | 3-3-0 | 126 | 204 | 61.8 | 1699 | 19 | 9.3 | 8 | 3.9 | 85 | 72 | 8.3 | 8.4 | 13.5 | 242.7 | 103.0 | 83.6 | 19 | 116 | 7.10 | 7.19 | 8.5 | 7 | ||
2018* | 23 | HOU | QB | 4 | 16 | 16 | 11-5-0 | 345 | 505 | 68.3 | 4165 | 26 | 5.1 | 9 | 1.8 | 215 | 73 | 8.2 | 8.5 | 12.1 | 260.3 | 103.1 | 60.7 | 62 | 384 | 6.67 | 6.87 | 10.9 | 5 | 5 | 16 |
2019* | 24 | HOU | QB | 4 | 14 | 14 | 9-5-0 | 314 | 463 | 67.8 | 3668 | 26 | 5.6 | 11 | 2.4 | 184 | 54 | 7.9 | 8.0 | 11.7 | 262.0 | 100.4 | 70.0 | 39 | 234 | 6.84 | 6.89 | 7.8 | 3 | 4 |
Year | Age | Tm | Pos | No. | G | GS | QBrec | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yds | TD | TD% | Int | Int% | 1D | Lng | Y/A | AY/A | Y/C | Y/G | Rate | QBR | Sk | Yds | NY/A | ANY/A | Sk% | 4QC | GWD | AV |
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2018 | 22 | BUF | QB | 17 | 12 | 11 | 5-6-0 | 169 | 320 | 52.8 | 2074 | 10 | 3.1 | 12 | 3.8 | 89 | 75 | 6.5 | 5.4 | 12.3 | 172.8 | 67.9 | 49.8 | 28 | 213 | 5.35 | 4.37 | 8.0 | 2 | 3 | 6 |
2019 | 23 | BUF | QB | 17 | 14 | 14 | 10-4-0 | 255 | 430 | 59.3 | 2876 | 18 | 4.2 | 9 | 2.1 | 138 | 51 | 6.7 | 6.6 | 11.3 | 205.4 | 84.6 | 44.9 | 34 | 205 | 5.76 | 5.66 | 7.3 | 4 | 5 |
You guys just proved @steelbtexan right. At the beginning of the year he said Watson had to get better at reading defenses. Y’all got sand in your nether regions and said it was someone else’s fault.
The video posted y’all just said Watson has gotten better at reading defenses.
Good job guys. Good job.
You wouldn't think DW4 is capable of learning anything according to one around these parts.Of course it is
But you wouldn't think DW4 needs to learn anything according to some around these parts.
steel has created such an uproar with his outlandish takes on Watson that people don’t have time to give fair assessments because they have to defend him against ridiculous comments. Such as he isn’t accurate enough, he’s not smart enough, he can’t read defenses, he doesn’t stay in the pocket etc. I’ve seen pretty much everyone acknowledge he can improve in areas but that doesn’t make him crap like some lead you to believe. He’s still a borderline top 5 QB which is amazing. Imagine what he will be like two years from now as the game continues to slow down for him.
he responsibility of other posters is to express their opinion, but not fall into the trap of thinking they are going to be one "to talk sense" into another poster when that poster has dug in.
Speaking of talking football - this play irked me for during the Titans game, Watson probably should have not thrown this pass but there are some that hold to the 'throw the ball and let your playmakers make a play' theory.
I know Duke isn't a receiver - but would have liked to see him attack the ball on this play if he takes two steps toward the ball instead of going to his knees worst-case is probably an incompletion, next worse is a completion at like the 1 or 2-yard line, and the best case he catches at the 1 or 2 the hard-charging safety runs past him and he walks into the endzone.
My opinion anyway - thoughts?
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Speaking of talking football - this play irked me for during the Titans game, Watson probably should have not thrown this pass but there are some that hold to the 'throw the ball and let your playmakers make a play' theory.
I know Duke isn't a receiver - but would have liked to see him attack the ball on this play if he takes two steps toward the ball instead of going to his knees worst-case is probably an incompletion, next worse is a completion at like the 1 or 2-yard line, and the best case he catches at the 1 or 2 the hard-charging safety runs past him and he walks into the endzone.
My opinion anyway - thoughts?
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There were several things wrong with this play that irk'd me.
IMO, alot of bad play all around that resulted in this INT.
- It looks like pre-snap, DW saw single-high safety and one-one for Duke against a LB. After the snap, he looked there first, but saw the other safety bail and went cover two. So DW went to his 2nd progression, but WHY are Fuller & Nuk extremely close to each other on their route? Most likely someone ran a wrong route, because there were absolutely no receivers attacking the middle of the field. It was all sideline routes as if we were trying to save time.
- So DW checks back to his left. At this point, this is where DW should have thrown the ball to Duke, but he hesitated. Why? Don't know. Maybe he checked on the TE (Akins I think) first and didn't notice Duke was coming open.
- DW started to feel the pressure to his right because the DE threw Clark to the ground. So DW stepped up before firing the ball.
- Then as you said, Duke waited on the ball instead of attacking it. Also, DW threw the ball more inside than he needed to. Should have thrown it more towards the pylon.
If any of those 5 things don't occur, it's not an INT at least.
- Nuk or Fuller for running a wrong route (or BOB on poor route combination)
- DW4 on not throwing the ball earlier to Duke, as well as throwing it too inside.
- Clark for easily getting beat, causing DW to double-pump his throw.
- Duke for not attacking the ball.
I mostly think he should've just taken off & ran it there which is what i thought he was gonna do at first. Would've only netted a few yards..maybe more if he gives the LB a little shake there but it wouldn't have been an int. But your options are plausible too.
I think the throw to Hopkins is there and the spacing is fine when you watch the video. If Watson anticipates the break, DHop is going to catch the ball most of the time if it's shaded towards the sideline. DHop might be a little late in his break, but that should still have been his target. Put it where no one else can get it and live to play another down if DHop isn't ready for it (it was 2nd down).
OK - just continuing the thoughts on that one particular play breakdown (interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on this).
I think Doc has pointed this out a few times - but Watson is still hesitating on his throws...
This first picture is pretty much when Watson's backfoot plants (or a fraction of a second before) - so if everyone was running the route they were supposed to be running (big if since Hop and WFV are only 3 yards apart at their break, but could be) Watson needs to trust that Hop or WFV will win their battle and be open... which as it happens...
The throwing the receiver open theory - if he had released at the end(top) of his drop back and threw to where Hop or WFV is 'going' to be then I think either is a completion (but man are they really bunched up) but given how quickly he comes off the recievers on that side of the field, could he have just been trying to look off/confuse the safety and Duke was the primary target all along? (this is my opinion but yeah I think it was a decoy, and the play was to Duke)
Like I mentioned I think Duke was the primary receiver all along, and if Watson would have thrown when he first gets his head around, and puts the ball on the X that's a TD. But like MrTex said it looks like Watson is already getting ready to take off instead of throw... and that is probably because #77 is about ready to eat some turf and Watson is hearing footsteps behind him.
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Your starting right tackle folks - hopefully, passive resistance isn't Devlin's main coaching technique...
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Anyway all my thoughts, and what do I know, but thought it would be interesting to discuss as this one play seems to have a lot of the issues we bring up.
- Watson being more decisive and throwing the ball on time
- Piss poor blocking at times (to often)
- Receiver routes being too closely bunched
Please discuss...
I'm almost positive that we had one picked off earlier in the year on the same play where the db on fuller got back like you described and made a great play on the ball. So Watson probably hasn't forgotten about that and is a little hesitant. I still think that in the film room they would have told him that he needs to make that throw to DHop in that situation. Receivers coach would probably be telling DHop that he has to get out of his break quicker too.I think a throw to Hopkins would have been risky there, as the corner on Fuller was right in the passing lane. Sure, he could have lob'd it over him, but that's a much slower throw, and Hopkins' corner could have possibly break in front of Hop to deflect the pass. Sure, a completion to Hopkins there is a possibility, but I think it's a low percentage throw. My guess is someone ran a wrong route, so DW bailed on Fuller & Hop as options quick.
Maybe that's what we should define? Is Watson ready to be a sb qb now vs. do you think theres a chance he could turn it to a guy who leads a sb team?
Seems like this is a common problem that’s been showing up in every game. It looks like when the receivers are going for a Hail Mary pass. lolI think that ball was going to Nuk but spacing was too crowded. Probably should have tucked it because that’s one helluva throw to make. I think he regrets the throw to Duke as much as Duke regrets not attacking the ball.
Then because he’s not meeting their ridiculous expectations, they’re ready to trade him, or say ignorant things like they’d rather have Josh Allen.
They? Are you wrapped up in hyperbole?
Speaking of talking football - this play irked me for during the Titans game, Watson probably should have not thrown this pass but there are some that hold to the 'throw the ball and let your playmakers make a play' theory.
I know Duke isn't a receiver - but would have liked to see him attack the ball on this play if he takes two steps toward the ball instead of going to his knees worst-case is probably an incompletion, next worse is a completion at like the 1 or 2-yard line, and the best case he catches at the 1 or 2 the hard-charging safety runs past him and he walks into the endzone.
My opinion anyway - thoughts?
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Seems like this is a common problem that’s been showing up in every game. It looks like when the receivers are going for a Hail Mary pass. lol
Being that he kept it vague the post stands. If he were speaking about a particular member I'd have considered it a personal attack.
I think the throw to Hopkins is there and the spacing is fine when you watch the video. If Watson anticipates the break, DHop is going to catch the ball most of the time if it's shaded towards the sideline. DHop might be a little late in his break, but that should still have been his target. Put it where no one else can get it and live to play another down if DHop isn't ready for it (it was 2nd down).