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I thought it was a great move at first, but Boulware can't seen to get on the feild. Babin was really coming into his own before we traded him. Now I'm starting to second guess the whole trade!
I think he blocked a FG last week.
I think in the Babin trade, we traded away our best pass rusher...
Doesn't mean it was a bad trade, but time will tell....
I'm saying compared to how much Boulware has helped us. If Babin would have never been traded, how much would he have helped the Team. Babin would have been better & more productive for the Texans than Boulware currently has, therefore we go the short end of the stick!
Just a bad move!
I don't know why everyone says that Boulware hasn't gotten to see the field. He's played a bunch of special teams and has gotten destroyed when playing defense....just lit up like a roman candle. That's the reason he isn't playing on d so much now. Neither team has gotten much out of the swap it seems...at least so far.
How is it a bad move? Because Babin had a decent preseason? Whoopdidoo! Boulware hasn't done much for us, Babin hasn't done much for the Seahawks. I can't see any logic behind saying it's a bad trade.
I'm saying compared to how much Boulware has helped us. If Babin would have never been traded, how much would he have helped the Team. Babin would have been better & more productive for the Texans than Boulware currently has, therefore we go the short end of the stick!
Well his career stats do not seem to indicate he was any kind of pass rush threat. We have guys in the 6 week of the season approaching Babin's 16 game best sack total.
Um, so you are saying that Babin, a player that the FO was more then willing to let go would have help thei team...how? By being inavtice every week? Yo udo know that Seattle was desperate for D-line players, but I quess they are not desperate enough to play Babin (and that should tell you someting right there).
ugh...first VY man-love, now Babin man-love.
What's wrong with Babin? I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Who says Babin would be inactive for us? That sounds like it would be a bad move by our staff if he were on the roster, to make him inactive for games. Did Babin not help the team last year? If your answer is yes he did, what is the difference in last year and this year? If your answer is no he did not, what is your logic behind this?
All the while our pass rush struggles...
I don't think it was a bad move, but I do think we traded our best pass rusher...
Our pass rush has struggled with or without Babin. Thats not a fair comparison
All the while our pass rush struggles...
I don't think it was a bad move, but I do think we traded our best pass rusher...
Babin is a 3-4 Rush OLB, he can play in a 4-3 but his game in either system leaves alot to be desired.
We have more sacks through 6 games this year then we had through 6 games last year, and that was with the mighty Jason Babin.
What does that have to do with him being our best pass rusher ?
I think Jason Babin was the best edge rusher we had...
Sue me...
As much as I agree with you on the Babin pick, I'd like to disagree with the take on Casserly.We needed help at the safety spot and had plenty of guys who can "not" pressure the QB from the DL. It's not a trade I particularly regret.
Now drafting Jason Babin in the first place I wish we could get a "do over" on.
This whole thing just highlights how there is almost never a silver lining to drafting poorly. You can't trade your bust for somebody elses and end up with a quality starter very often. Once in a blue moon you see that happen.
I guess in the long run the Babin pick wouldn't have been any better if we'd stayed put and drafted at our original spots instead of trading them away to the Titans. With Casserly running the show we'd just have 3-4 busts to cope with instead of one.
If he was the best edge rusher we had, shouldn't we have had less sacks without the best edge rusher not more?
WE TRADED AMOBI?!?!?!
****....
If he was the best edge rusher we had, shouldn't we have had less sacks without the best edge rusher not more?
I'm not buying this Babin was our best pass rusher, that means our defensive line just flat out sucks if that is the case.
No.
That really has no correlation what so ever.
uh...it correlates pretty well in my mind.
our "best" pass rusher is out and yet we're still doing better than last year. so either he wasn't the best, or he made little impact to begin with...
Huh? Isn't the job of your best edge rusher to get to the QB?
And if so shouldn't your sack numbers be higher when he is on the field?
There is a direct correlation between the play of your "best" edge rusher and the number of sacks you record. To say other wise makes no sense at all. It's like saying the best arm on your team is not your QB.
pfft...he was the best sack number guy because he was a situational player. best edge rusher is a debate that i don't want to get into, but here it goes...he got 4, 4, and 5 sacks. his best year sack numbers-wise was when they told him to go in on obvious pass downs, pin your ears back and get to the quarterback. one job. mario had 4.5 with all that he's had to deal with. my pick is mario, but i'm sure you've got a retort so i'll let you jump in with whatever you've got
by no means do i believe anyone is so blind to see that mario williams is by far a more valuable player and a better pass rusher than jason babin.
Could care less about the stats...
Babin was our best pass rusher....
Could care less about the stats...
Babin was our best pass rusher....
as long as we are saying 'per the numbers' then sure, babin was the 'best' pass rusher because he had 1/2 a sack more than williams. wink.
it's silly to watch people cling to numbers as is if that's all that mattered.
by no means do i believe anyone is so blind to see that mario williams is by far a more valuable player and a better pass rusher than jason babin.
my line of thought leads me to believe we did not give up our best pass rusher for michael boulware. opinion.
I think we should offer two firsts and get him back.I think in the Babin trade, we traded away our best pass rusher...
Doesn't mean it was a bad trade, but time will tell....
I think a big reason why people don't like Babin, even if they don't consciously realize it is the amount of picks we invested into him. Yes, we put too many picks into Babin, and no, he might not ever live up to the cost.
Personally, when the Texans made the Babin-Bouleware trade, I thought that it had the potential to be one of those big Texans history moments. Not in a good way. Like, "Remember back when the Texans traded for Buchanon?". And "Remember when the Texans got Tony Boselli?" and "Remember when we drafted David Carr with our number one pick and threw him to the wolves?"
That's the kind of thing that I was scared could happen. "Remember when we traded Babin away?" Babin showed flashes. Maybe not in his first three years, but the simple fact is that being and OLB in the 3-4 probably slowed his progress. In FIRST year back at his natural position and with LIMITED playing time, he recorded 5 sacks, a team high (which is kinda sad). Basically, I treated him as a rookie almost. He just got back to his natural position and we were already beginning to see upside in him.
Bouleware...we'll see what happens. I HOPE that this doesn't become one of those "Remember when..." moments in Houston Texans history...
I hear what you're saying.I think a big reason why people don't like Babin, even if they don't consciously realize it is the amount of picks we invested into him. Yes, we put too many picks into Babin, and no, he might not ever live up to the cost.
Personally, when the Texans made the Babin-Bouleware trade, I thought that it had the potential to be one of those big Texans history moments. Not in a good way. Like, "Remember back when the Texans traded for Buchanon?". And "Remember when the Texans got Tony Boselli?" and "Remember when we drafted David Carr with our number one pick and threw him to the wolves?"
That's the kind of thing that I was scared could happen. "Remember when we traded Babin away?" Babin showed flashes. Maybe not in his first three years, but the simple fact is that being and OLB in the 3-4 probably slowed his progress. In FIRST year back at his natural position and with LIMITED playing time, he recorded 5 sacks, a team high (which is kinda sad). Basically, I treated him as a rookie almost. He just got back to his natural position and we were already beginning to see upside in him.
Bouleware...we'll see what happens. I HOPE that this doesn't become one of those "Remember when..." moments in Houston Texans history...