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I agree with overcoming it all and still winning the game, and I kept reminding myself that after the first, second and third bad call. That's part of the game and you expect to get the short end of a few calls. But by the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh bad call which lingered into the fourth quarter (during critical moments), etc... etc... It was becoming painfully obvious that this was more than just a few mistakes that went against us.
Especially on something simple like placing the ball on the proper yardage. When we're picking up first downs by well over a yard (you can see our guy stretching well past the first down with his knee not even down yet) - even McDonough and Gruden in the booth were saying it wasn't even close when they came to measure (It was a first down by a yard or more).
But somehow the measurement was pulled back so it could be a touch off the nose of the ball. Two things wrong there - bad placement, and even with the bad placement it was still a first down by inches but the officials moved the chains past the nose of the ball. You could see one of our players jumping up in disgust as to what they were doing.
We could have played better in the fourth quarter. No excuse for our defense to give up those two big Touchdowns. Had we tackled better maybe we'd have won this game (by 3 points or less) or at least go to overtime. But even then the way the officiating was so against us it would have been difficult to escape with a win any way you look at it. Biased or not.
ESPN's His & Hers is talking about this game right now. Michael Smith makes a good point. Go back to old school rules and football. Take away instant replay especially if you can't even use it on that DeAndre Hopkins Touchdown that was ruled out of bounds. Taking those 4 points off the board just set the tone for what type of game it was going to be.
That officiating was really bad and on prime time, but, bad officiating is not just a Texans thing.
Raiderfans spouting the "oh we get screwed on calls all the time" can suck it. Mike Renfro says you guys aren't the only ones who got screwed in the old days.
Odd that the raiders are the most penalized team in the nfl. The Texans are not statistically, but who was more penalized in this game? The raiders are bound for Vegas. Vegas is the worlds hot bed for gambling and international money was also on the line here in a country known for corruption. I've literally watched thousands of games in my 40 years but never seen a laser on the field. And Goodell. Has anyone ever seen him anywhere but a fan box? Not in this game.
It all seems like simple coincidence until you also realize today is the anniversary of the texas revolutionary battle of Santa mcnairo pendajo in which general del rio attacked a mission near austin.
Still not convinced? The raiders emblem is actually a 300 year old Masonic symbol with numerous meanings including loser, cheater, lucky, and corrupt government - in modern day, the translations include "bought refs."
NBA had crooked refs...I think the NFL is may actually be crooked. What I mean is that the NBA refs were the ones point shaving and involved in gambling. I actually think the NFL plays towards storylines, some things are far too perfect for a game that is ruled by luck. Honestly it would be the easiest game to fix because of holding calls can be called pretty much every play and every time it is called it absolutely kills a drive. No other sport really has this, so much of it is in the refs hands.
In the NBA or MLB the ref can't do anything about a ball that is hit well or a player getting hot from three. NFL refs...the game is just made for them to have a lot of control over it. How many times did we see Manning just lob a ball up for an easy P.I? Even if it isn't fixed it is obvious that the NFL should seriously consider how they handle their refs and how they punish them, they have the most power in any sport.
Also on a review it is obvious that the review center back in New York or wherever it is at should make the call. Just like the NBA. Why does the same ref that got the call wrong get to get the call wrong again? That makes no sense.
I don't believe in any grand conspiracy by the NFL, but before we dismiss it out of hand, I remember at least one NBA official being indicted for point shaving or something similar to that. So, individual or crew corruption isn't out of the question given what we saw last night.
Who is to say this crew didn't put good money down on the Raiders? And being in Mexico where gambling laws probably aren't exactly strictly enforced is the perfect time to do it. I'd like to see these guys luggage and see how many peso's they have buried in their underwear. I've never ever thought such a thing, but after what I saw last night, I'm not going to say no as wacky as it sounds.
Either that, or that entire crew is so completely incompetent that they should all be fired immediately.
Having said all of that, if BOB was a semi-competent coach, and/or the defense didn't decide to take a siesta in the 4th quarter, or our QB was better than an average HS QB, they still win despite the refs sitting inside the Raider's jock straps all night.
I'm getting tired of this **** show. Brock sucks. He got VERY lucky that he didn't have at least one pick 6 if not 2. He has flashes of competence with long periods of WTF? in between.
BOB is a horrible game day manager. I actually have come to like him personally, and love his personal story with his son, but if he can't get his **** together and soon, Mr. Tillman needs to give him an apple and a roadmap compliments of the other Bob.
Then you have Ricky who has a lifetime position that even the SCOTUS judges would be jealous of. My question is why? He's nothing but a lap dog doing McNair's bidding.
Bottom line is the same as it's been since 2002. This is McNair's pile of dung. He's responsible for the "mediocre" (and I say that kindly) performance of this team for 15 years of the SOS.
Anyone who isn't blind saw we got 3 feet+ past the first down marker last night when OB challenged and they didn't give it to us. It was clear as clear can be. There is no excuse for a "bad call there". It wasn't a judgement call like a PI... there was clear video evidence and they still screwed us. How does that not equal foul play?
Congrats Cerberus, we agree officiating sucks. Even in texas i remember a huge outcry after the tuck rule fiasco. Im sure it was twice as loud on the west coast. Sorry you've endured years of poor calls but it seems in direct opposition to the stigma so many raiders players and fans are proud of. You guys have always pimped yourselves out as the nasty outlaws of the nfl. I guess i just dont understand how a fan base can brag about playing mean dirty ball and beotch about penalties to. You and or others can disagree with that if you like but it has no relevance to last night.
The sentiment of "we've been screwed before so now it's your turn" is pointless and does nothing to further the game. It reeks of resentment which in all fairness a lot of Texans fans are now learning like you have.
The Raiders may be staying in Oakland after Mayor Libby Schaaf’s office reached a framework deal to keep the team from moving to Las Vegas, according to NBC Bay Area.
Schaaf’s office announced that it had reached a framework agreement on Tuesday with a group of Raiders representatives led by former Los Angeles Raiders player Ronnie Lott.
The framework will now be evaluated by county representatives in a closed session on Tuesday and by the city council in a closed session on Nov. 29.
Remeber all the crap the "Replacement Officials" took? Only difference between them and the clowns they filled in for is that the regulars make bad calls with confidence.
I will say in thier defense that I'm amazed at some of the calls try make in real speed and get right, it really is amazing. I feel as though the issues today are that there are many more camera angles with HD and quick replay. In the past watching the game the average fan wouldn't see all the nuances that we get to see now. With that said the officials have very limited access to this, with all the money in the sport there should be an emphasis on getting the calls right, there is no reason they can't greatly enhance a high speed instant replay system with teams of people watching all angles able to make a quick call to review closer.
As for conspiracies I used to and still kind of feel like many of the games in Indy were just to poorly called to be a coincidence. However conspiracies are hard to control with that many people involved. Now bad calls go against every team but one shouldn't be chastised for questioning suspicious timing.
That game was a $hit show with the multitude of bad calls and the lasers. The NFL has alienated its core fans with how they have handled many issues and while I understand trying to expand thier audience, they would be wise not to expand all while pushing away long time loyal fans.
Bahstun said:BOSTON (CBS) — Poor officiating remains the NFL’s greatest export.
Gripes about officiating is nothing new, of course, among the 32 fan bases in the United States. But on Monday night, bad calls went international, as Tony Corrente’s crew really stepped in it a couple of times in the Texans-Raiders game in Mexico City, making a number of mistakes that really altered the outcome of the game.
It didn’t take long, either. Just 150 seconds into the game, officials blew a play dead after ruling that star receiver DeAndre Hopkins — ideally, the type of player you’d like to showcase to an audience that has never seen him before — stepped out of bounds at the 36-yard line en route to an easy 60-yard touchdown catch-and-run.
I'm going to disagree with everyone about NUK's "td". At the moment during the play, I yelled out that he was out of bounds. So I wasn't surprised when the TD was called back.
At about the 6 min mark in the 1st Q they replayed the run. When the highlight is played in slow motion, I see what I saw during live play. The heel of his Right foot is clearly into the white by about one inch. It was a good call by the ref.
Yes, but read my edited addition. This is not the view that the trailing ref had. From the rear, this is not apparent. The call by the ref, from his view, was legitimate. The play was not reviewable, so this was simply bad luck on our part and not poor officiating.Look at this pic:
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Yes, but read my edited addition. This is not the view that the trailing ref had. From the rear, this is not apparent. The call by the ref, from his view, was legitimate. The play was not reviewable, so this was simply bad luck on our part and not poor officiating.
Does it even matter if Nuk stepped out of bounds or not? Why the **** would you blow the whistle unless you're 100% certain he's out of bounds in today's NFL? If the refs don't blow the whistle then a TD is automatically challenged. Or even if it's an extra ten yards, you can challenge the play. You can't challenge sh!t once they blow the whistle and the refs should know that.I'm going to disagree with everyone about NUK's "td". At the moment during the play, I yelled out that he was out of bounds. So I wasn't surprised when the TD was called back.
At about the 6 min mark in the 1st Q they replayed the run. When the highlight is played in slow motion, I see what I saw during live play. The heel of his Right foot is clearly into the white by about one inch. It was a good call by the ref.
(Edit) I'll add to what I previously wrote by saying that the heel was "over and into the white". If NUK's was on his toes at that moment, it's possible his heel did not come down or touch the white. The camera angle is a good one from the rear and this may not be clear. But this is the same view that the trailing ref had. So the ref's call was legitimate and not a "bad" call.
I have often wondered if the 35-3 blown lead by the Oilers vs the Bills was rigged somehow. It was crazy how the Oilers just stopped covering people and Warren Moon decided to stop playing QB after the 1st half.
I think the nfl is rigged but not by the players really. I think the head nfl office and refs do. The push storylines, matchups, and agendas. The refs have biases and buy into the nfl agenda and narrative. The nfl is there to make money sadly and not to be fair or officiate properly. If they can't give us a first down with video indisputable evidence there is no hope.
BTW nfl... put sensors in the players knee pads, butt pads, and elbows; and especially the ball. With tech today we can figure out exactly where the ball is down or the player went down. The nfl makes billions... make it happen
Yeah a player can slap someone on the ass and have the play declared down. Good idea.
And what dreamworld tech are you living with that determines position in tenths of inches? It's laughable.
I have often wondered if the 35-3 blown lead by the Oilers vs the Bills was rigged somehow. It was crazy how the Oilers just stopped covering people and Warren Moon decided to stop playing QB after the 1st half.
At least put sensors in the ball.... not hard. They can determine where the ball is better than the dumb refs who can't even look at video evidence correctly. I'm just saying tech needs to be made better to eliminate so much bad officiating. No need to mock me for wanting things do go more smoothly. If we can send spaceships to mars why the hell can't we find out where the first down mark is?
Thanks for posting. Everyone should read that article. Pretty much sums it up. I turned a blind eye for too long but enough is enough. It's like a kid learning Santa isn't real; you don't want to believe it and try to convince yourself he is... but then you see the truth and can't ignore it.
https://twitter.com/RaiderForums/status/801187428031610880/photo/1I never believed it. I always thought the NFL had certain storylines they wanted to promote, and did things to push an agenda... but I didn't think the games were literally rigged by officiating.
Tonight that changed. The calls made were absolutely insane. The worst of course was not giving us a fourth down both times when video replay clearly showed we had the first down by a sizeable margin.
The nfl wanted the raiders to win in Mexico; period. The refs were going to oblige.
What is the point of watching games if they are stolen? One or two bad calls I can handle but tonight was beyond understanding.
A message needs to be sent to change things. This is unacceptable . What can we do as fans to make a stand against this travesty?
I take it you are referring to the 3rd down and 4th down runs at approx the 7 - 6 min mark in the 4th Q. Reviewing those two plays in slow motion, I think we probably made one or both of those two plays. But I won't go so far as to say is was unmistakably "clear" to overturn the call on the field. I'd like to see full time officials, but Monday, the breaks just went against us....And worse...for crying out loud - you see clear video evidence that a guy makes a first down yet you don't reverse the call. That right there is 100% unadulterated horse manure.
I have no confidence at all in the integrity of the game anymore.
Definately seems to be a puff of chalk.
Do you really think that looks definitive enough to blow the whistle and tell the Texans "Nah, y'all can't challenge that."? I don't think the ruling gets overturned either way but at least the Raiders would have been allowed to do so.Definately seems to be a puff of chalk.
At least put sensors in the ball.... not hard. They can determine where the ball is better than the dumb refs who can't even look at video evidence correctly. I'm just saying tech needs to be made better to eliminate so much bad officiating. No need to mock me for wanting things do go more smoothly. If we can send spaceships to mars why the hell can't we find out where the first down mark is?
What better way to promote a team that has one foot in the door to settling in a city venue that is a tremendous trans and international "pull in" destination.........make them the new national and international NFL "darling" team...........where everyone that doesn't lose all their money at the slots, can donate what's left over to the NFL. BTW, if McNair ever allows the Texans to play in Mexico City again, for many reasons, he ought to be drawn and quartered...........and I speak for no one else......just myself.
Definately seems to be a puff of chalk.
Yes, if the trailing ref saw the puff of chalk, then the whistle should be blown to call the play dead at that point. What should be considered by the rules committee is whether that play should be reviewable.Do you really think that looks definitive enough to blow the whistle and tell the Texans "Nah, y'all can't challenge that."? I don't think the ruling gets overturned either way but at least the Raiders would have been allowed to do so.
Yes, if the trailing ref saw the puff of chalk, then the whistle should be blown to call the play dead at that point. What should be considered by the rules committee is whether that play should be reviewable.
Yes, if the trailing ref saw the puff of chalk, then the whistle should be blown to call the play dead at that point. What should be considered by the rules committee is whether that play should be reviewable.
I see a puff of something coming only from the right heel. But regardless, this confirms my previous post and the heel did come down in the white.The grass is coming up the same way on his left foot just before the right foot hit "chalk"....and chalk, WTF this isn't baseball who uses chalk in the NFL ?