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The NFL is rigged!
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Cerberus
Hall of Fame
As a Raider fan I live with this week-in and week-out. I remember one game years ago where James Jett got flagged 15-yards for unsportsman-like conduct, because he slowed down on the way to the end zone. Didn't stick out the ball or showboat, he just slowed down. With the Raiders it is nearly something every week. I was glad for a week of not getting crappy calls, but felt bad for the Texans because I know the feeling all too well. Ive seen a punted ball downed on the 2 yard line called a touchback. I've seen a completed pass spiked by a Charger WR and called an illegal forward pass and 1st down rather than a fumble like was called against Plaxico Burress for doing the same thing; the call was made by SD native Mike Carey. I've seen Chief OL lineman grab a Raider DL and pull him to the ground and the Raider called for tripping, which set up the winning play for the Chiefs; the call was made by Chief fan and Springfield,Missouri resident, Larry Nemers. The Snow Job, was called correctly by Walt Coleman (from Arkansas, Chief country), but after review with the booth was incorrectly changed to favor the Patriots, because "we" needed the Patriots to win the SB after the 9/11 attacks.
Sorry for the Texans loss, and I feel empathetic, but where was the outrage when the NFL was doing this to the Raiders? To allow the NFL to do it to any team and to not speak up is to empower the NFL to do it again, which may be your team next time. I get pissed whenever I see poor officiating. I don't care if it is an improper coin flip call like what happened to the Steelers, or the no-catch issues wit Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson and Louis Murphy.
FWIW, the Texans held Mack and Irvin several times last night without being called. Mack is used to it. Apparently he is such a beast the officials tend to give the OL a little slack when blocking him. You know, I'll say what I've said over on the Raider Board. I prefer the old days when I only knew the names of 2 or 3 officials instead of knowing most of them like I do today. They've become such and intrinsic part of the game now, that I know them like I know players. Unfortunately, I also see them change the course of entire games with no-calls, ticky-tack calls, and phantom calls.
Cerberus
Hall of Fame
How is it the Raiders have been the most penalized team year-after-year decade-after-decade even though they change players, assistants and coaches. They stress not making penalties, and yet still end up being the most penalized. The only thing that hasn't changed has been Davis-family ownership. Now, I think back in the early days when Al was countersuing the NFL for the right to move, the officials were told to put the squeeze on the Raiders. Ever since then it has just become ingrained in the officials brains over the years. What is really most frustrating though is when the officials are so keyed-in on watching the Raider players, that they miss what the other teams' players are doing. I can't tell you how often Mack gets held/tackled but doesn't get a flag.
The Raiders play games like the Texans did last night, all the time. The Texans just have to learn how to beat the opponents and the officials if this becomes a regular thing like it is with the Raiders and the officials.
Btw, you don't throw a ball with two hands when the ball is tucked to your chest. How could this be called incomplete?
The game should have been stopped until the a-hole with the laser was removed from the stadium. The talking heads were saying this is policy when the games are played in the U.S., but they were concerned with slowing down the game in a foreign country. Best foot forward and all that crap. So much for league credibility regarding player safety when a QB is being blinded by a laser and they do nothing to stop it.
The officiating was so pathetic that I have to believe either the NFL is completely inept with their part-time officials (only pro sport with part time officials), or, there was an agenda behind it. I see no other options.
For the first time in 40+ years, I'm no longer having fun watching NFL games. Their arena-league rule changes, ADD uniform requirements, and consistently terrible officiating is causing me to lose interest. It is not a grand statement on my part, but just telling it like I see it. For the first time ever, I can see myself losing complete interest in the NFL and finding something better to do with my time. Our consistently bumbling front office and corporate boardroom-run franchise does not help. It's boring to watch Texans games these days.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Congrats Cerberus, we agree officiating sucks. Even in texas i remember a huge outcry after the tuck rule fiasco. Im sure it was twice as loud on the west coast. Sorry you've endured years of poor calls but it seems in direct opposition to the stigma so many raiders players and fans are proud of. You guys have always pimped yourselves out as the nasty outlaws of the nfl. I guess i just dont understand how a fan base can brag about playing mean dirty ball and beotch about penalties to. You and or others can disagree with that if you like but it has no relevance to last night.
The sentiment of "we've been screwed before so now it's your turn" is pointless and does nothing to further the game. It reeks of resentment which in all fairness a lot of Texans fans are now learning like you have.
The sentiment of "we've been screwed before so now it's your turn" is pointless and does nothing to further the game. It reeks of resentment which in all fairness a lot of Texans fans are now learning like you have.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
I've seen a couple of Raiders fans today defend the refs with the Brady NE Tuck BS. The thing is, nobody agreed with the NFL on that call except for Pats fans. Blatantly bad officiating is still blatantly bad officiating.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I don't believe in any grand conspiracy by the NFL, but before we dismiss it out of hand, I remember at least one NBA official being indicted for point shaving or something similar to that. So, individual or crew corruption isn't out of the question given what we saw last night.
Who is to say this crew didn't put good money down on the Raiders? And being in Mexico where gambling laws probably aren't exactly strictly enforced is the perfect time to do it. I'd like to see these guys luggage and see how many peso's they have buried in their underwear. I've never ever thought such a thing, but after what I saw last night, I'm not going to say no as wacky as it sounds.
Either that, or that entire crew is so completely incompetent that they should all be fired immediately.
Having said all of that, if BOB was a semi-competent coach, and/or the defense didn't decide to take a siesta in the 4th quarter, or our QB was better than an average HS QB, they still win despite the refs sitting inside the Raider's jock straps all night.
I'm getting tired of this **** show. Brock sucks. He got VERY lucky that he didn't have at least one pick 6 if not 2. He has flashes of competence with long periods of WTF? in between.
BOB is a horrible game day manager. I actually have come to like him personally, and love his personal story with his son, but if he can't get his **** together and soon, Mr. Tillman needs to give him an apple and a roadmap compliments of the other Bob.
Then you have Ricky who has a lifetime position that even the SCOTUS judges would be jealous of. My question is why? He's nothing but a lap dog doing McNair's bidding.
Bottom line is the same as it's been since 2002. This is McNair's pile of dung. He's responsible for the "mediocre" (and I say that kindly) performance of this team for 15 years of the SOS.
Who is to say this crew didn't put good money down on the Raiders? And being in Mexico where gambling laws probably aren't exactly strictly enforced is the perfect time to do it. I'd like to see these guys luggage and see how many peso's they have buried in their underwear. I've never ever thought such a thing, but after what I saw last night, I'm not going to say no as wacky as it sounds.
Either that, or that entire crew is so completely incompetent that they should all be fired immediately.
Having said all of that, if BOB was a semi-competent coach, and/or the defense didn't decide to take a siesta in the 4th quarter, or our QB was better than an average HS QB, they still win despite the refs sitting inside the Raider's jock straps all night.
I'm getting tired of this **** show. Brock sucks. He got VERY lucky that he didn't have at least one pick 6 if not 2. He has flashes of competence with long periods of WTF? in between.
BOB is a horrible game day manager. I actually have come to like him personally, and love his personal story with his son, but if he can't get his **** together and soon, Mr. Tillman needs to give him an apple and a roadmap compliments of the other Bob.
Then you have Ricky who has a lifetime position that even the SCOTUS judges would be jealous of. My question is why? He's nothing but a lap dog doing McNair's bidding.
Bottom line is the same as it's been since 2002. This is McNair's pile of dung. He's responsible for the "mediocre" (and I say that kindly) performance of this team for 15 years of the SOS.
corytx8
Rookie
I am not buying what you are selling in regards to your point about the NBA. Where there is smoke, there usually something burning. I still believe the NBA is rigged with the league behind it pushing its agenda for ratings. Just one the refs got busted and then off trying to rat out those involved. The refs have a lot of control in a NBA espically when it comes to calling fouls for one team and swallowing their whistles to for the other to bring the other team back in the game. I see it with my eyes. I don't buy it.
The NFL only kept me around with the replays so that officials can get the call right. But last night, i witness something wasn't right. That TD, those first downs there not given to the Texans. The officials had the evidence to overturn those calls, but refused to do so.
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Supertoad
Rookie
Anyone who isn't blind saw we got 3 feet+ past the first down marker last night when OB challenged and they didn't give it to us. It was clear as clear can be. There is no excuse for a "bad call there". It wasn't a judgement call like a PI... there was clear video evidence and they still screwed us. How does that not equal foul play?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Because I've seen to many bogus calls by officials, for and against *pick a team*.
Until officials are full time employees whose only job is to officiate games, understand the rules, watch game film all week to learn from their and others mistakes, and be subject to weekly performance reviews, we are going to keep arguing this crap.
Cerberus
Hall of Fame
I've hated how the NFL has transitioned over the years. I wish the players could decide the game on the field. Those days are gone.
The NFL wonders why viewership is down? Well, because of poor officiating, IMO. I gave up my NFL Sunday Ticket a couple years ago after having it for like 15 years. I don't think it was the election as the NFL has stated. I think it is the officiating. At least I'd like to think that people are waking up and realizing you can't have a billion dollar business without attracting some shady characters looking to maximize profits.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Well .... sometimes you just get used for the corporate good .
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/22/13716634/raiders-framework-agreement-stay-in-oakland-las-vegas
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/22/13716634/raiders-framework-agreement-stay-in-oakland-las-vegas
Remeber all the crap the "Replacement Officials" took? Only difference between them and the clowns they filled in for is that the regulars make bad calls with confidence.
I will say in thier defense that I'm amazed at some of the calls try make in real speed and get right, it really is amazing. I feel as though the issues today are that there are many more camera angles with HD and quick replay. In the past watching the game the average fan wouldn't see all the nuances that we get to see now. With that said the officials have very limited access to this, with all the money in the sport there should be an emphasis on getting the calls right, there is no reason they can't greatly enhance a high speed instant replay system with teams of people watching all angles able to make a quick call to review closer.
As for conspiracies I used to and still kind of feel like many of the games in Indy were just to poorly called to be a coincidence. However conspiracies are hard to control with that many people involved. Now bad calls go against every team but one shouldn't be chastised for questioning suspicious timing.
That game was a $hit show with the multitude of bad calls and the lasers. The NFL has alienated its core fans with how they have handled many issues and while I understand trying to expand thier audience, they would be wise not to expand all while pushing away long time loyal fans.
I will say in thier defense that I'm amazed at some of the calls try make in real speed and get right, it really is amazing. I feel as though the issues today are that there are many more camera angles with HD and quick replay. In the past watching the game the average fan wouldn't see all the nuances that we get to see now. With that said the officials have very limited access to this, with all the money in the sport there should be an emphasis on getting the calls right, there is no reason they can't greatly enhance a high speed instant replay system with teams of people watching all angles able to make a quick call to review closer.
As for conspiracies I used to and still kind of feel like many of the games in Indy were just to poorly called to be a coincidence. However conspiracies are hard to control with that many people involved. Now bad calls go against every team but one shouldn't be chastised for questioning suspicious timing.
That game was a $hit show with the multitude of bad calls and the lasers. The NFL has alienated its core fans with how they have handled many issues and while I understand trying to expand thier audience, they would be wise not to expand all while pushing away long time loyal fans.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Supertoad
Rookie
Thanks for posting. Everyone should read that article. Pretty much sums it up. I turned a blind eye for too long but enough is enough. It's like a kid learning Santa isn't real; you don't want to believe it and try to convince yourself he is... but then you see the truth and can't ignore it.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
One of the things discussed on the rich eisen show today - and I've heard discussed before, is the capability of reviewing ALL plays. Of course the drawback to that is how much longer would the game be?
To me the solution is quite simple:
1.
Stop scheduled game stoppages and commercial breaks. Commercials can be aired during reviews as the game allows insuring a fair game. More precisely, the same commercials and ad dollars would be made but aired when the game needs the time instead of what is presently in place.
2.
Is there a time limit on reviews? Put a clock on review times. Most of us as fans are capable of watching 1-2 replays and understanding what the right call is. Refs shouldn't need 5-10 minutes.
3.
More personnel and improved training. Why isn't there an officiating box staffed with league refs? Spair refs are already on hand to replace the on field crew if need be right? Put them in a box with com's direct to the on field crew and every camera view readily accessible. This is a billion dollar industry. Why are we watching a million dollar product?
4.
We can GPS the entire world and land a rocket on a comet moving thousands of miles per hour half way across the solar system ,but we cant consistently make the right call when a ball is caught, a player is down, or a ball crosses the line of scrimmage? Wtf? I dont care if we have to put chips in balls, all pads, and outfit all lines and sideline markers with lasers. This game is not taking advantage of technology available. I am and have been sick of people pimping the human element and the mistakes that entails. It can be done. It should be done. Again this is a billion dollar industry.
In truth, none of this will happen until the nfl is shamed enough to do it. The game last night might be a blip on their radar, but im rooting for the most poorly officiated super bowl ever to light that fire. It would be satisfying now if that happened here in Houston.
To me the solution is quite simple:
1.
Stop scheduled game stoppages and commercial breaks. Commercials can be aired during reviews as the game allows insuring a fair game. More precisely, the same commercials and ad dollars would be made but aired when the game needs the time instead of what is presently in place.
2.
Is there a time limit on reviews? Put a clock on review times. Most of us as fans are capable of watching 1-2 replays and understanding what the right call is. Refs shouldn't need 5-10 minutes.
3.
More personnel and improved training. Why isn't there an officiating box staffed with league refs? Spair refs are already on hand to replace the on field crew if need be right? Put them in a box with com's direct to the on field crew and every camera view readily accessible. This is a billion dollar industry. Why are we watching a million dollar product?
4.
We can GPS the entire world and land a rocket on a comet moving thousands of miles per hour half way across the solar system ,but we cant consistently make the right call when a ball is caught, a player is down, or a ball crosses the line of scrimmage? Wtf? I dont care if we have to put chips in balls, all pads, and outfit all lines and sideline markers with lasers. This game is not taking advantage of technology available. I am and have been sick of people pimping the human element and the mistakes that entails. It can be done. It should be done. Again this is a billion dollar industry.
In truth, none of this will happen until the nfl is shamed enough to do it. The game last night might be a blip on their radar, but im rooting for the most poorly officiated super bowl ever to light that fire. It would be satisfying now if that happened here in Houston.
False Start
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False Start
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Memes, spoilered for size.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I'm going to disagree with everyone about NUK's "td". At the moment during the play, I yelled out that he was out of bounds. So I wasn't surprised when the TD was called back.
At about the 6 min mark in the 1st Q they replayed the run. When the highlight is played in slow motion, I see what I saw during live play. The heel of his Right foot is clearly into the white by about one inch. It was a good call by the ref.
(Edit) I'll add to what I previously wrote by saying that the heel was "over and into the white". If NUK's was on his toes at that moment, it's possible his heel did not come down or touch the white. The camera angle is a good one from the rear and this may not be clear. But this is the same view that the trailing ref had. So the ref's call was legitimate and not a "bad" call.
At about the 6 min mark in the 1st Q they replayed the run. When the highlight is played in slow motion, I see what I saw during live play. The heel of his Right foot is clearly into the white by about one inch. It was a good call by the ref.
(Edit) I'll add to what I previously wrote by saying that the heel was "over and into the white". If NUK's was on his toes at that moment, it's possible his heel did not come down or touch the white. The camera angle is a good one from the rear and this may not be clear. But this is the same view that the trailing ref had. So the ref's call was legitimate and not a "bad" call.
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Number19
Hall of Fame
Yes, but read my edited addition. This is not the view that the trailing ref had. From the rear, this is not apparent. The call by the ref, from his view, was legitimate. The play was not reviewable, so this was simply bad luck on our part and not poor officiating.Look at this pic:
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Someone may have mentioned it already, but did anyone else see the Raiders players fist bumping, and high fiving the refs before the game? I saw it, and told my GF to "check this bullsh!t out!" It reminded me of Vince and Jerome Boger.
Here's the video.
Here's the video.
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JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Does it even matter if Nuk stepped out of bounds or not? Why the **** would you blow the whistle unless you're 100% certain he's out of bounds in today's NFL? If the refs don't blow the whistle then a TD is automatically challenged. Or even if it's an extra ten yards, you can challenge the play. You can't challenge sh!t once they blow the whistle and the refs should know that.
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gs27
Veteran
I thought the Texans were going to lay down crying after the first couple of bad calls. I am really impressed with the mental toughness of the team, which I personally didn't think they had. After getting kicked in the balls by the refs over and over and over again the Texans kept fighting. This team is better than I thought they were. This could be the us against the world type result that pushes us over the hump. The Texans outplayed the heavily favored media darling Raiders by a large margin. Would have been at least a 3 TD victory for the Texans with a neutral officiating crew.
I have often wondered if the 35-3 blown lead by the Oilers vs the Bills was rigged somehow. It was crazy how the Oilers just stopped covering people and Warren Moon decided to stop playing QB after the 1st half.
Supertoad
Rookie
I think the nfl is rigged but not by the players really. I think the head nfl office and refs do. The push storylines, matchups, and agendas. The refs have biases and buy into the nfl agenda and narrative. The nfl is there to make money sadly and not to be fair or officiate properly. If they can't give us a first down with video indisputable evidence there is no hope.
BTW nfl... put sensors in the players knee pads, butt pads, and elbows; and especially the ball. With tech today we can figure out exactly where the ball is down or the player went down. The nfl makes billions... make it happen
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yeah a player can slap someone on the ass and have the play declared down. Good idea.
And what dreamworld tech are you living with that determines position in tenths of inches? It's laughable.
Supertoad
Rookie
At least put sensors in the ball.... not hard. They can determine where the ball is better than the dumb refs who can't even look at video evidence correctly. I'm just saying tech needs to be made better to eliminate so much bad officiating. No need to mock me for wanting things do go more smoothly. If we can send spaceships to mars why the hell can't we find out where the first down mark is?
Don Beebe was out of bounds and his TD should have been negated. It would have been 35-10 with 7:50 left in the third, Oilers ball. There were also some uncalled PI by the Bills that were mugging Oilers receivers.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Sorry if you felt that was mocking. OK it was a little. The tech just doesn't exist. A laser can tell something went out of bounds. Works for tennis. But the NFL is critical to the ball and player. GPS isn't that accurate. GPS accuracy is measured in feet not tenths of inches.
Porky
Hall of Fame
It's incredibly frustrating that even after video evidence shows otherwise, they still get it wrong.
They have to fix this whole "the whistle was blown" crap. Swallow the damn whistle if you must but stop blowing whistles prematurely. These guys have premature whistling syndrome or PWS for short. I'm pretty sure there is a pill for that kind of thing.
And worse...for crying out loud - you see clear video evidence that a guy makes a first down yet you don't reverse the call. That right there is 100% unadulterated horse manure.
I have no confidence at all in the integrity of the game anymore.
They have to fix this whole "the whistle was blown" crap. Swallow the damn whistle if you must but stop blowing whistles prematurely. These guys have premature whistling syndrome or PWS for short. I'm pretty sure there is a pill for that kind of thing.
And worse...for crying out loud - you see clear video evidence that a guy makes a first down yet you don't reverse the call. That right there is 100% unadulterated horse manure.
I have no confidence at all in the integrity of the game anymore.
Cerberus
Hall of Fame
I've been telling people for years the NFL influences games. They may not outright throw them, but they make it much harder for one team than the other.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I take it you are referring to the 3rd down and 4th down runs at approx the 7 - 6 min mark in the 4th Q. Reviewing those two plays in slow motion, I think we probably made one or both of those two plays. But I won't go so far as to say is was unmistakably "clear" to overturn the call on the field. I'd like to see full time officials, but Monday, the breaks just went against us.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Definately seems to be a puff of chalk.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Do you really think that looks definitive enough to blow the whistle and tell the Texans "Nah, y'all can't challenge that."? I don't think the ruling gets overturned either way but at least the Raiders would have been allowed to do so.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It's been researched, and thus far its limitations have evidently not been overcome (as ICak eluded to)..........although I am sure it will in time. From the LA TIMES:
This football will tell you if it's a touchdown
Scientists put a microchip in the ball that can determine its exact location. There are still some bugs to work out.
January 29, 2011|By Sam Farmer
Scientists in Pittsburgh can make footballs talk.
Priya Narasimhan, an associate professor at Carnegie Mellon University, and her team of 10 engineering students have developed a "smart football" with a miniature GPS unit and accelerometer, both contained in a half-ounce microchip inside the ball.
The chip can measure factors such as ball speed, spin, trajectory and — even when it's buried under a pile of players — the precise location of the football.
The NFL is looking into the technology as a way to make officiating and game timing even more accurate.
Narasimhan and her team are not the only ones to have developed such a chip. According to a Reuters report, German manufacturer Cairos Technologies has been in talks with the NFL about putting its chips in footballs to determine, say, when the ball has crossed the goal line.
Cairos has done the same with soccer balls, creating a system of thin cables under the playing surface that generate magnetic fields that are picked up by sensors in the ball. That location information is transmitted to a central computer, which uses the data to determine when the ball has crossed the goal line. When a goal has been scored, the computer alerts the referee by transmitting a radio signal to his watch.
There are unique challenges to embedding a similar chip in an oblong football, Narasimhan said.
"You can't change the weight, the spiral, the torque or the feel of the football," she said. "It is really critically important, otherwise you've just ruined the whole purpose. And for that, it became really critical that we look at it from the mechanical engineering viewpoint."
Some of the challenges aren't immediately obvious to everyone. For instance, how do you charge a chip that's depleted of power very quickly? The students in Pittsburgh have developed an inductive-charging system similar to the one used for electric toothbrushes.
Then, there's fine-tuning the GPS to mark the precise spot, rather than within a few feet or yards. And the signal needs to be strong enough to pass through multiple bodies that might be covering the ball.
It also has to be done economically. The Pittsburgh engineering students say they could produce their chip for about $10.
Simply identifying whether a ball has broken the plane of the goal line isn't necessarily enough. If the player's knee touched the ground before the ball crossed the line, for instance, then it wasn't a touchdown. Narasimhan raises the possibility of putting chips in kneepads, elbow pads and gloves. In other words, it's all a work in progress.
But, she added, "Having something objectively tell you, 'This is what's happening to me,' is a thing of beauty."
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
What better way to promote a team that has one foot in the door to settling in a city venue that is a tremendous trans and international "pull in" destination.........make them the new national and international NFL "darling" team...........where everyone that doesn't lose all their money at the slots, can donate what's left over to the NFL. BTW, if McNair ever allows the Texans to play in Mexico City again, for many reasons, he ought to be drawn and quartered...........and I speak for no one else......just myself.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
You speak for me as well. One year Al Davis dies right before the Texans game and now this....lol. I'm not saying Al Davis had a better week back in the day, but we seem to be there at the wrong place and the wrong time.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
The grass is coming up the same way on his left foot just before the right foot hit "chalk"....and chalk, WTF this isn't baseball who uses chalk in the NFL ?
Showtime100
Got JJ?
I just watched the highlights thinking I saw enough evidence last night. Yep, it wasn't the beer. We got jobbed by the NFL. What a disgusting display by the league.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Yes, if the trailing ref saw the puff of chalk, then the whistle should be blown to call the play dead at that point. What should be considered by the rules committee is whether that play should be reviewable.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
In the video the left foot in the grass has the exact same throw up of "chalk" as the right foot. I've seen full slow mo clips, he didn't touch the chalk.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I see a puff of something coming only from the right heel. But regardless, this confirms my previous post and the heel did come down in the white.