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Ok, can we agree to let that one go? Not interested in past;David Carr or Capers or Casserly or GM/HC stuff. Sure the season has to play out and there are no guarantees about anything.
Robert "Bob" McNair has stepped up his game. I am pumped! Now if the coaches can coach...
No.
One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.
No.
One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.
No.
One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.
I've always thought it was a silly and baseless reason to criticize McNair. He's got his faults but this isn't one of them.
No.
One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I would come up with an intelligent rebuttal for this nonsense post, but michaelm has already beat me to it.
Texans fanbase, where delusion and contradiction resides.
Maybe BOTH sides should drop it?
2002 - 5th highest payroll
2003 - 16th highest payroll
2004 - 3rd highest payroll
2005 - 16th highest payroll
2006 - 7th highest payroll
2007 - 22nd highest payroll
2008 - 22nd highest payroll
2009 - 3rd highest payroll
2010 - ???
2011 - ???
McNair could have said no all he wanted but the fact still remains that we've had some of the highest payrolls during our existence. I'd argue that when the regime changed in 2006 he did make a concerted effort to spend wisely. Not cheaply. We had tons of bad signings that led to dead money. 2006, 2007, 2008 was used to help clear some of that and get the team healthy. We've been in good situations financial the last few years because of that prudence, not cheapness. Let's not confuse the two.It could have possibly been that Rick Smith and Kubiak wanted to go after all kinds of free agents over the years, but Bob said no the majority of the time handicapping them of filling holes and improving the team through free agency. We'll never know 100%, but they all got the blame for 5 years of ineptitude.
This is like the blind squirrel talking massive **** to the other squirrels when he finally finds a nut.
Congrats. Go find another one now.
Actually, Texecutioner, I was hoping all would mumble a bit, say good job but prove your player/coaching decisions were good ones and then go back to football. I am a bit naive.Great rebuttal. Maybe you should just neg rep him and run instead like you did with me. That will really show him.
Bob's history of running a franchise and making decisions surely has given the fans the benefit of the doubt now hasn't it. But carry on though, I'd hate to interfere with your insults of the entire fan base.
Probably the best idea yet. This thread was certainly started to be a fire burner.
Funniest Blind Squirrel reference ever man. Wish I could rep ya, but I did yesterday.
Actually, Texecutioner, I was hoping all would mumble a bit, say good job but prove your player/coaching decisions were good ones and then go back to football. I am a bit naive.
I got him for ya, and added to yours for the guy neg rep'ing you... My rep power rules!
I got him for ya, and added to yours for the guy neg rep'ing you... My rep power rules!
Free agency should be used to complete a good team not to make it a good team. Just look at where it got the Redskins when they were throwing money like Pac Man jones at a strip bar. It got them in cap hell and a very mediocre team.
I don't take you for a trouble maker or anything. Not really your style, but you should have known what kind of potential this one had. No big deal. Hopefully, this season is the big start in the right direction and next year the trend can continue.
Free agency is a tool just like the draft or scouts or trainers; if used effectively your team gets better. Hipefully, we are now in a position to start using the draft & BPA to strengthen team into a perenial powerhouse. We could then use FA if that just right player at just right price comes along. The new television deal should really be a sweet one as sponsors too were scared of no football & probably was a wake up call for them also.Free agency should be used to complete a good team not to make a good team. Just look at where it got the Redskins when they were throwing money like Pac Man jones at a strip bar. It got them in cap hell and a very mediocre team.
You see this is the worst example you could make though. There are teams in the NFL every season that do really well from improving their team in free agency. It's the free agency fear mongers that always want to point at the Redskins or the Cowboys and act like that's always what happens if you try to improve your team in free agency with quality players. It's always some "Redskins" reference as if going after a quality player to fill a hole on your team is like buying a car on the internet without getting to check the engine or get a "Car Faxx" to find out the history. The Redskins references are old and they're not the norm. I wish people would stop trying to point to Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones every single time a player is mentioned that could help out the Texans possibly. At least in free agency you have a strong idea of what kind of guy you're bringing to your team and if he can play in the NFL or not. IN the draft you're always rolling the dice on potential.
Lol!!! Where in my post did I ever say that no team will improve by using free agency. Like I said, free agency should be used smartly. Quality teams use free agency to tune up their teams but they don't build their teams through free agency. Teams that target the "star" free agents every year don't really improve that much. And yes, I will use Schneider and Jones as those people that do that. And they have squat to show for it. Unlike the Eagles who build through the draft and target a high price free agent once in a while to try to put them over the top.
This ^^^^^^^^^
It could have possibly been that Rick Smith and Kubiak wanted to go after all kinds of free agents over the years, but Bob said no the majority of the time handicapping them of filling holes and improving the team through free agency. We'll never know 100%, but they all got the blame for 5 years of ineptitude.
The Eagles have been probably just as aggressive in FA or even more than the Skins over the last few years. They're actually a great example to make as to why FA works to improve your team. They've been fantastic at it. They just haven't been as stupid as the Skins as far as who they've picked up and who they've paid.
What do you mean "the past".....Billionaire Bob didn't pony up enough to get Aso!!
No.
One offseason is not a trend. He does it again, and then it'll be dropped.
This is valid.
What if we shed players and go back to turtling up?
Great rebuttal. Maybe you should just neg rep him and run.....
No, this is not valid. You are missing the point completely.
McNair has spent money year after year after year on players. He throws money away on guys like David Car & he's bent over backwards to give Andre Johnson money. 3 huge contracts in a 6 year period, do you remember that?
Antonio Smith, remember him? Jacques Reeves, I think he got as much money as the top CB that year.
It has never been a pocket book problem. The problem has been who Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak decided to give that money to.
This offseason just happen to work to the Texans' philosophy. JJo & DMan are the same type of FA they've always gone after, young, in their primes or entering.....
Not paying Dunta was definitely a turning point for the Texans if you ask me..... demanding a player be able to live up to their paycheck.
Thanks guys.
Toan and SteveSlaton20 are swimming upstream here. You two guys neg rep us, and we'll just band together and (1) neg rep YOU and get yours down to zero. And we'll then go out and (2) Positive rep ourselves and boost us up four times where we were before.
And if you say "It's sad that you think rep means anything," then why in the hell are you neg repping like little Nancies in the first place???
The rep system works. It shows who tries to be a good board member and who plays shenanigans and tries to be a bully.
Rep requires spelling and grammar??Steve Slaton probably didn't mean to neg rep you, but rather he fumbled the mouse click and accidentally hit the wrong button...
You're attempting to acquit Bob McNair of being an accessory to this crime, and it doesn't wash TK. He was signing the checks...
The only difference now, is that you agree with the guys they've picked up. He's not spending any more money than before.
No, this is not valid. You are missing the point completely.
McNair has spent money year after year after year on players. He throws money away on guys like David Car & he's bent over backwards to give Andre Johnson money. 3 huge contracts in a 6 year period, do you remember that?
Antonio Smith, remember him? Jacques Reeves, I think he got as much money as the top CB that year.
It has never been a pocket book problem. The problem has been who Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak decided to give that money to.
This offseason just happen to work to the Texans' philosophy. JJo & DMan are the same type of FA they've always gone after, young, in their primes or entering.....
Not paying Dunta was definitely a turning point for the Texans if you ask me..... demanding a player be able to live up to their paycheck.
Rep requires spelling and grammar??
I was poking fun at Steve Slaton.Huh?
Must spread rep...
No, you are missing the point completely. The point is delusional people who think the number one problem with the Texans is that Bob is cheap are positive repping themselves and neg repping anyone who says something true. I expect your rep to drop below zero any second now.
For some people the problem has to be the owner because it would be hard to watch the games of their crummy team if they admitted the players sucked or that the head coach was a blithering doofus...
This thread is just going to end with the "Cheapers" saying McNair is still cheap and he needs to put the team in salary cap hell (Which now exists again) before they are satisfied. . .
While the public defenders state that he's always been spending money.
It'll be a circular argument and basically you're almost never going to get rid of every person who thinks McNair is cheap, because those people will hold on to their pessimistic values until the Texans organization goes above and beyond some very high bars that the Cheapers have set for the team.
Should probably just drop it at this point.
This thread is lame. Basically yall are defending McNair by saying he is over the cap and spends alot, but at the same time are displaying how stupid he is with his money on bad contracts for over the hill players.
Ahman Green
Todd Wade
Anthony Weaver
Robaire Smith
Morlon Greenwood
Eric Moulds
Yay! McNair isnt cheap, he is stupid! Congrats guys.
McNair is the GM?
That's my beef with the crowd that calls McNair cheap. It's a completely baseless arguement. There's plenty of stuff to complain about: Bad signings, no playoff appearances, etc etc. But calling him cheap just smells of desperation for fans to find something, anything, to complain about even if it's completely false.This thread is lame. Basically yall are defending McNair by saying he is over the cap and spends alot, but at the same time are displaying how stupid he is with his money on bad contracts for over the hill players.
Ahman Green
Todd Wade
Anthony Weaver
Robaire Smith
Morlon Greenwood
Eric Moulds
10 years. 1 winning record. Zero playoff appearances. And last year the 2nd worst secondary in NFL history. Congrats McNair. You paid millions and millions for mediocrity.
Yay! McNair isnt cheap, he is stupid! /Thread.