Aside from Goff .... name another QB who got better under a new coach.
I can't think of any recent ones.
Tannehill
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Aside from Goff .... name another QB who got better under a new coach.
I can't think of any recent ones.
If that Denny’s menu has the same bad food on it, it doesn’t matter who’s ordering off of it.
Agreed.Tannehill
Cam Newton has taken his passing game to the next Level so far under new coaches.Agreed.
He looked aiight under Sherman, uh under Gase, & now... pretty damn good under his third HC.
My point with Tannehill & the same is true for Cam, they're on to their 3rd & 4th coaching change now. & now, really they're in totally different organizations.Cam Newton has taken his passing game to the next Level so far under new coaches.
And who is said third HC, by the way? The guy looks very familiar, lol. Phillip River looks like he’s in his way to making the list as well. Dak Prescott is another one to watch this season since he’s under new coaching staff. I guess the answer to the question is, QBs do and have improved under new HCs.Agreed.
He looked aiight under Sherman, uh under Gase, & now... pretty damn good under his third HC.
JJ Watt calls out Ross Blacklock.
"It's stupid," said Watt. "It's selfish. It was a stupid play. It was selfish. I've spoken to Ross before. It pisses me off."
Frustration building...
That's an improvement by the defense.Ravens: 230 rushing yards
Texans: 51 rushing yards
Maybe but the part I focus on is a vet coaching a rookie. I agree should not be in front of fans or media.JJ is out of line for this and lately he’s been going off on the team. Maybe he’s trying to force a trade
And who is said third HC, by the way? The guy looks very familiar, lol. Phillip River looks like he’s in his way to making the list as well. Dak Prescott is another one to watch this season since he’s under new coaching staff. I guess the answer to the question is, QBs do and have improved under new HCs.
Tannehill
Offensive line and play calling are the difference.Tannehll has always been an above avg QB. He just is playing with a more talented team and has finally been able to stay healthy. I remember when posters used to laugh at me when I said Tannehill was better than DW4. I dont here from those guys as much these days.
Watson does not lock onto his 1st read always, even in college.Can a QB be taught not to lock onto his 1st read when that's what he's done his entire life?
There are not too many recent ones since there are not that many movements and not all that many good HCs to begin with. So the names already mentioned are plenty.Aside from Goff .... name another QB who got better under a new coach.
I can't think of any recent ones.
Also, did you forget Hoyer and Fitzpatrick?Aside from Goff .... name another QB who got better under a new coach.
I can't think of any recent ones.
Do we really need another example? The fact that Goff was failing before the coaching change by itself is an example that exist that a change in coaching can make all the difference.Aside from Goff .... name another QB who got better under a new coach.
I can't think of any recent ones.
I wonder if Cal forces Mercilus to start/stay on O’Brien. High character and what notMercilus is not even on the stat sheet this week. Money well spent
Ive heard Devlin coaches the scheme, and not the fundamentals.Is it possible that the O-line is talented enough but they aren't coached very well?
Drew Brees... or is that not recent enough?Aside from Goff .... name another QB who got better under a new coach.
I can't think of any recent ones.
Tannehll has always been an above avg QB. He just is playing with a more talented team and has finally been able to stay healthy. I remember when posters used to laugh at me when I said Tannehill was better than DW4. I dont here from those guys as much these days.
Agreed he’s always had talent but he’s taken a significant step forward. Talent and system help. Our system sucks and it appears are our talent is regressing under BOB. It’s sad. OB is turning our Texans into a factory of sadness
Drew played at a high level already while with the Chargers. It was a serious set of injuries that scared the Chargers from retaining him and he was thus let go and signed by the Saints. So his story was not one of finding success under better coaching as it was him being a remarkable healer and resurrecting a career a lot of people thought the injuries would end.Drew Brees... or is that not recent enough?
Either that or it is what an offense looks like with a head coach unwilling or unable to run an offense that fits his franchise QB's skill set. While it may take some time for a new head coach and his staff to turn things toward the better it won't seem as long as it will should BO'b not get the axe like he should.Slowly but surely
This is what an offense looks like when the QB is incapable of running the offense the HC wants. It's going to be a long 4 yrs.
who teaches the fundamentals? and why he is still on payroll?Ive heard Devlin coaches the scheme, and not the fundamentals.
just my two pennies but if OBrien is gonna stick with a run heavy game plan, we do not need a passing QB but some powerful RBs similar to Adrian Peters and EZ Elliott. Macaroon can do that. Of course, coach could no longer point to Patriots as his model.Looking at Mahomes and Jacksons' stats the defense is doing a pretty good job of holding these guys in check. The problem is for the type of defense Weaver/Crennel wanna play (semi bend but don't break) the defense just isn't putting the opponent in enough 3rd & long, obvious pass rush situations & the offense for its part isn't doing enough to put the pressure on the opposition to have to drop back & pass more to catch up.
While these are all very correctable things, At this point, I'm skeptical of whether or not BoB will allow Kelly to abandon this ball control offense he's intent on running in favor of something a little more pass heavy. Teams have long figured out that BoB will stay with the run far too long & will only resort to the pass game as a last resort to catch up............
You wanna take the pressure off the run game? Get more aggressive & pass it more to set it up.
Either that or it is what an offense looks like with a head coach unwilling or unable to run an offense that fits his franchise QB's skill set. While it may take some time for a new head coach and his staff to turn things toward the better it won't seem as long as it will should BO'b not get the axe like he should any time soon.
just my two pennies but if OBrien is gonna stick with a run heavy game plan, we do not need a passing QB but some powerful RBs similar to Adrian Peters and EZ Elliott. Macaroon can do that. Of course, coach could no longer point to Patriots as his model.
Slowly but surely
This is what an offense looks like when the QB is incapable of running the offense the HC wants. It's going to be a long 4 yrs.
Lmaoooooo. THATS what you got from thaJJ is out of line for this and lately he’s been going off on the team. Maybe he’s trying to force a trade
Cant teach scheme if fundamentals are not up too par.who teaches the fundamentals? and why he is still on payroll?
Lmaoooooo. THATS what you got from tha
Cant teach scheme if fundamentals are not up too par.
Could just be out of frustration in a moment and not a calling to be tradedMan JJ never ever threw anyone or the team underneath the bus.
Could just be out of frustration in a moment and not a calling to be traded
JJ is going no where imo. Just like Merci, who probably rubs OB the wrong way every sunday .Everyone knows if you rub O’Brien the wrong way you’re out of here. Yes he’s frustrated and rightfully so but he’s always kept his cool.
Yep Earl, the next 4 yrs of bottoming out are going to be hilarious.
Is it possible that the O-line is talented enough but they aren't coached very well?
No one knows who is responsible for that. Martin is a terrible C and has responsibilities calling our protections. Devlin is a terrible OL coach. Watson can hold the ball too long. Where does the blame stop?Much of their issues come against the blitz ... and no one wants to discuss who's responsible for that.
JJ is out of line for this and lately he’s been going off on the team. Maybe he’s trying to force a trade
If Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson can QB Super Bowl winning teams than anything is possible. Not only that but the Washington Football Team, "formerly the Redskins," won Super Bowls under three different QB's. Joe Theismann is the only one of the three who seemed to have the goods to win more than one title before he suffered a career ending injury. The other two, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, seemed to catch lightning in a bottle for a season but their careers never matched their title runs. However if great QB's like Dan Marino and Dan Fouts can go a whole career without winning a title, "while having top notch head coaches most of their careers," than there is no real common denominator.I don't expect him to get better if you're talking about SB winning QB play.
Blacklock was ejected for throwing a punch .... I don't find JJ to be out of line at all.
Did you think Nick Foles, Eli, or Flacco were championship level qbs? Just asking since you can spot them so quick and earlyNeither one are championship quality at their jobs.
No one knows who is responsible for that. Martin is a terrible C and has responsibilities calling our protections. Devlin is a terrible OL coach. Watson can hold the ball too long. Where does the blame stop?
I do.who teaches the fundamentals? and why he is still on payroll?
Did you think Nick Foles, Eli, or Flacco were championship level qbs? Just asking since you can spot them so quick and early
Ill go on a whim and say, upgrade the OL coach, the OL will instantly improve leaps and bounds. The talent is there to be a Top 5 unit imo. Martin looks bad bc Dumb Dumb Devlin is his instructor.No one knows who is responsible for that. Martin is a terrible C and has responsibilities calling our protections. Devlin is a terrible OL coach. Watson can hold the ball too long. Where does the blame stop?
Would it not be up to the offensive line coach to make sure the fundamentals are being taught?Lmaoooooo. THATS what you got from tha
Cant teach scheme if fundamentals are not up too par.
That would probably depend on how much of a micro manager OB is. He could be hands off and say “as you may..”. Im just guessing here, but maybe Devlin is one of those coaches that scheme supersedes the talent . Everyone knew Scharping and Howard were both considered raw coming out. How much time was spent getting them up to par, as to trial by fire?Would it not be up to the offensive line coach to make sure the fundamentals are being taught?
No surprise at all.There tends to be a false narative that continues to be propagated............that on 1st downs, the Texans usually call a run play. In past O'Brien years, the truth is that on 1st downs, the run and pass has been called essentially equally. In 2020, I'm sure that it will come as a big surprise to most that the Texans lead the NFL in pass plays called on 1st downs.
If Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson can QB Super Bowl winning teams than anything is possible. Not only that but the Washington Football Team, "formerly the Redskins," won Super Bowls under three different QB's. Joe Theismann is the only one of the three who seemed to have the goods to win more than one title before he suffered a career ending injury. The other two, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, seemed to catch lightning in a bottle for a season but their careers never matched their title runs. However if great QB's like Dan Marino and Dan Fouts can go a whole career without winning a title, "while having top notch head coaches most of their careers," than there is no real common denominator.
For me though, it still comes down to talent and coaches who know how to utilize that talent. I am not saying we have the best talent but the team as it is constructed is in BO'bs making so whatever you think of this team is on him. With him retaining the GM role he can not hide behind someone else doing that job.
There is no reason our team could not play better and give the Chiefs and Ravens and other top teams a scare. The Chargers don't seem to have a team any more talented than ours but still they gave the Chiefs all they could handle and then some. That boils down to having a quality coaching staff from the head coach down.
I don't know about you but I don't think that Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson were better than DW4. I am not so sure Doug Williams or Mark Rypien were as gifted as DW4. Still, for a time they were good enough to win a title. If we had better coaching we could at least play anybody without getting horse whipped and there are plenty of lesser teams we could beat.
Take the Steelers who we are supposed to play next week. There is no reason we can't beat them. If not beat them then for sure can play very tough. I have predicted we have a long losing season but that falls on BO'b if that happens.