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I'm not Mr. Sunshine, but I definitely must say Mr. Slaton looked fresh and very very good. Thoughts?
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Steve "Dead Legs" Slaton had a pretty decent day.
Steve "Dead Legs" Slaton had a pretty decent day.
If on only 14 attempts for 156 yards and a TD is "decent" I want to see what you think is spectacular.
Surely you caught the sarcasm there....
I thought it was too obvious to need the sarcasm smiley.
There are so many trolls, that it's sometimes hard to tell.
He wont. He is not even the most impressive looking back. That goes to the Tacks Johnson.
I believe ROY will be Atlanta QB Matt Ryan or Balti QB Joe Flaco.
I dunno, I think Slaton is just as impressive as Johnson.
The running game was so beautiful today, too bad the Colts controlled the time of possession or we could have wracked up some serious records.
I don't buy the "dead legs" bullship....Slaton had a huge run last week when he was so disabled that Kubiak had to "save" him for the Colts. It's just a copout for abandoning the running game the last couple of games as far as I'm concerned. Today the Texans did the same exact thing till drive 3 and then Kubiak finally snapped that you have to actually run the ball to be successful running the ball.
Kubiak promoted to Head Coach is what the peter principle is all about.I'm starting to think that Kubiak is maybe not up to the mental side of being an NFL head coach (and not going to get there). I think that in football, at each level of the game where coaching staffs are concerned you have guys who can coach and guys who still need a little coaching themselves.
I'm afraid Gary Kubiak falls into the latter category. He's not head coach material no matter how much we want to believe he is.
I'm starting to think that Kubiak is maybe not up to the mental side of being an NFL head coach (and not going to get there). I think that in football, at each level of the game where coaching staffs are concerned you have guys who can coach and guys who still need a little coaching themselves.
I'm afraid Gary Kubiak falls into the latter category. He's not head coach material no matter how much we want to believe he is.
He doesn't seem to be able to get a handle on this playcalling thing. He goes into panic mode, and hands the ball to interception prone QBs as if he was still dealing with Elway. He loses all ability to think rationally. I thought he would get better as the years went by - but he hasn't. Learning from mistakes isn't one of Kubiak's strong suits.
He doesn't seem to be able to get a handle on this playcalling thing. He goes into panic mode, and hands the ball to interception prone QBs as if he was still dealing with Elway. He loses all ability to think rationally. I thought he would get better as the years went by - but he hasn't. Learning from mistakes isn't one of Kubiak's strong suits.
Well, Denny Green thinks he isn't to blame.While I might be inclined to agree with Herv and Vinny on Kubiak's mental make-up, I don't see how you can place today's loss on him. In a two minute drill situation, you have to put the ball into your QB's hands. And Sage only threw the ball 18 times today, I think. That's pretty well removing the ball from your QB's hands as well as you can with such a porous defense. There's only so much Kubiak can do with bad players.
Well, Denny Green thinks he isn't to blame.
I'm not second guessing Kubiak. I just hate watching soft finesse football that looks clueless at times on many different levels and if your offense can't produce 30+ points you just won't be in any games. The defense was awful for two seasons and Kubiak keeps RS....this is on Kubiak. I'm sure he gets another year but this just reminds me of the Capers replacing Palmer era. These are Kubiak's players...those "bad players" you keep referring to.Well, at the risk of derailing the thread, what specifically would you ave done differently today? How many times should Sage have thrown the ball? I mean, I agree that the answer would ideally be zero, but hey ... reality's a *****. There are plenty of areas to second guess Kubiak on, but today's loss came down to the same thing most of our losses have come down to - crappy defense and a turnover-prone QB.
I'm not second guessing Kubiak. I just hate watching soft finesse football that looks clueless at times on many different levels and if your offense can't produce 30+ points you just won't be in any games. The defense was awful for two seasons and Kubiak keeps RS....this is on Kubiak. I'm sure he gets another year but this just reminds me of the Capers replacing Palmer era. These are Kubiak's players...those "bad players" you keep referring to.
Slaton was very impressive today. Even more impressive is that if you take away the one long TD run, he still averaged 6.5 per run on his other 13 carries. It's not like one of those deals where you see a RB average 2 yards a carry for 15 carries, but had one 30 yarder and one 60 yarder to skew things. Slaton was slicing and dicing them on just about every carry. If the D had a stop or two in them, he might have been pushing for close to 200.
What galls me is that today the Giants ran all over the vaunted Ravens running D. They actually TRIED to run, and dictated the game to the Ravens. They didn't just run around like a bunch of scared little school girls. The Texans gave in before they even tried to run, which played right into the Ravens hands.
This group is as soft as Charmin, and plays like Mr. Whipple. Kubiak has assembled a finesse team, both on O and D. I can live with a finesse offense if it's done well (although my preference is a little more smash mouth), but the D? Nope. Who ever won anything with a soft D?
I don't buy the "dead legs" bullship....Slaton had a huge run last week when he was so disabled that Kubiak had to "save" him for the Colts. It's just a copout for abandoning the running game the last couple of games as far as I'm concerned. Today the Texans did the same exact thing till drive 3 and then Kubiak finally snapped that you have to actually run the ball to be successful running the ball.
He has taken on the appearance of a man who looked great because he coached players who were going to be great regardless hasn't he? He runs crap out there like he's got a miracle maker under center who can make it work and I'm thinking that he doesn't understand why it isn't just clicking along like it always did before.
He may just resign on us if this year gets bad enough or McNair might pull the plug on him if he spends too many more weeks looking like he can't figure it out.
Slaton was very impressive today. Even more impressive is that if you take away the one long TD run, he still averaged 6.5 per run on his other 13 carries. It's not like one of those deals where you see a RB average 2 yards a carry for 15 carries, but had one 30 yarder and one 60 yarder to skew things. Slaton was slicing and dicing them on just about every carry. If the D had a stop or two in them, he might have been pushing for close to 200.
What galls me is that today the Giants ran all over the vaunted Ravens running D. They actually TRIED to run, and dictated the game to the Ravens. They didn't just run around like a bunch of scared little school girls. The Texans gave in before they even tried to run, which played right into the Ravens hands.
This group is as soft as Charmin, and plays like Mr. Whipple. Kubiak has assembled a finesse team, both on O and D. I can live with a finesse offense if it's done well (although my preference is a little more smash mouth), but the D? Nope. Who ever won anything with a soft D?
I don't buy the "dead legs" bullship....Slaton had a huge run last week when he was so disabled that Kubiak had to "save" him for the Colts. It's just a copout for abandoning the running game the last couple of games as far as I'm concerned. Today the Texans did the same exact thing till drive 3 and then Kubiak finally snapped that you have to actually run the ball to be successful running the ball.
I'm not second guessing Kubiak. I just hate watching soft finesse football that looks clueless at times on many different levels and if your offense can't produce 30+ points you just won't be in any games. The defense was awful for two seasons and Kubiak keeps RS....this is on Kubiak. I'm sure he gets another year but this just reminds me of the Capers replacing Palmer era. These are Kubiak's players...those "bad players" you keep referring to.
I just don't see the "bad players" on defense. As I've said all season, I really like the talent at LB and the depth at CB. I know those guys all looked awful yesterday and many games this year but I think they're just being put in a position to fail...
clues:
1. The amazement of our secondary on how Eugene Wilson "tricks" the offense by how he positions his body pre-snap.
2. Mario can absolutely dominate, as he did in the second quarter yesterday, but we're unable to cover for 3 seconds or run a blitz to take advantage of the problems they're having so that he, or another rusher can make a play.
3. Yesterday, we were content to just let Indy move up and down the field on us, control the clock and hope they screwed up... We didn't even try to do anything to dictate tempo or create any discomfort.
4. Just like in Pittsburgh, we were applying good pressure with the front 4 and dropping seven guys into coverage and within two seconds Colt receivers were wide open in the middle of the field- that's inexplicable and either bad coaching or bad schemes- that isn't a result of talent deficit.
We can argue about which players are good, decent, poor, etc... But the reality is that the talent isn't the worst in the league and with the offense's ability to put 27 on the board most games and one of the most dominate players on defense in the league, a good defensive staff should be able to put these guys in position to make more plays.
No matter how you look at it, Steve Slaton stays and Richard Smith goes.
I'd kinda like to draft another QB at this point to (possibly) take over from Schaub (or not) some day and send Rosencopter following after Smith.
Oh, and we're not just playing man coverage without the talent, we're covering Marvin Harrison one-on-one with Petey Faggins. See ya, Mr. Smith.
yeah, that's why his 70 TD run was called back during his "dead legs" game...it was really just a cnn hologram. It really wasn't a penalty.didnt he say slaton had dead legs before last weeks game?
geez, Greenwood is awful...he is the new Jay Foreman. Our entire secondary stinks outside of Dunta...we are loaded with nickel and dime backs. Take out Mario and our DL is plenty awful.I just don't see the "bad players" on defense. As I've said all season, I really like the talent at LB and the depth at CB. I know those guys all looked awful yesterday and many games this year but I think they're just being put in a position to fail...
geez, Greenwood is awful...he is the new Jay Foreman. Our entire secondary stinks outside of Dunta...we are loaded with nickel and dime backs. Take out Mario and our DL is plenty awful.
geez, Greenwood is awful...he is the new Jay Foreman. Our entire secondary stinks outside of Dunta...we are loaded with nickel and dime backs. Take out Mario and our DL is plenty awful.
you actually think this team is talented outside of DeMeco, Williams and Dunta? Based on what because it can't be based on their play....potential means you haven't done it yet...and may never do it.I think the talent is there, I just don't think they are using it correctly.
Teams that look terrible one year can play excellent the next year with only 1 offseason under new coaching. Guys like Greenwood and Weaver may never live up to their expectation, but there is plenty of talent on our team, we just happen to waste it
you actually think this team is talented outside of DeMeco, Williams and Dunta? Based on what because it can't be based on their play....potential means you haven't done it yet...and may never do it.
you actually think this team is talented outside of DeMeco, Williams and Dunta? Based on what because it can't be based on their play....potential means you haven't done it yet...and may never do it.
donno how you come to that conclusion since when I re-watch most games on DVR I see guys losing individual battles when dealing with one opposing player in a given play. Greenwood can't get off blocks and takes rotten angles, Okoye can't get off blocks and is re-directed effortlessly, Weaver has a beautiful backpedal but that's his entire game. Our Safetys aren't very safe and aren't very good in coverage and aren't very good supporting the run...other than that, they are aces. The one guy who can blanket cover a WR has worse ball skills than a blind man....hell even a blind man could make a play on the ball every now and then if he was in as good a position as Reeves. Zach Diles was a bright spot...so I'm with you on him outside of Mario, Dunta, and DeMeco.I firmly believe that 90% of what you see on the field is situation, not pure talent. Its coaching, its confidence, its scheme.
donno how you come to that conclusion since when I re-watch most games on DVR I see guys losing individual battles when dealing with one opposing player in a given play. Greenwood can't get off blocks and takes rotten angles, Okoye can't get off blocks and is re-directed effortlessly, Weaver has a beautiful backpedal but that's his entire game. Our Safetys aren't very safe and aren't very good in coverage and aren't very good supporting the run...other than that, they are aces. The one guy who can blanket cover a WR has worse ball skills than a blind man....hell even a blind man could make a play on the ball every now and then if he was in as good a position as Reeves. Zach Diles was a bright spot...so I'm with you on him outside of Mario, Dunta, and DeMeco.
I think you are both right - we need better coaching AND better players. It's nothing that a good coach, a wise FA move and a couple of draft picks can't solve. Not saying they WILL solve it (I mean it's the Texans!) but it certainly CAN be solved.
Now will they?