Bluehen Texan
Waterboy
Hey guys. Time after time we were beaten defensively in the shallow center of the field last year. Sincere question. Could these first two picks tonight help with that?
Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!
No, you need linebackers who can cover.Hey guys. Time after time we were beaten defensively in the shallow center of the field last year. Sincere question. Could these first two picks tonight help with that?
I am hoping Safety Tayshon Gipson will resolve that unless he is in O'Brien's dog house. He was signed to shutdown tight ends as this was his strength but was injured. Of possible import was in a recent news media meeting, Coach mention all safeties but Gipson. In addition, he brought in two free agents and paid one a lot to be a back up. We will see.Hey guys. Time after time we were beaten defensively in the shallow center of the field last year. Sincere question. Could these first two picks tonight help with that?
Thank you. I didn’t know if there was a dynamic with “nose tackle” and edge rush that somehow effected the shallow middle. Similar to how pass rush helps pass protection and vice versa.
That O'Brien makes me think about Gen. Patton as they portrayed him in the movie. If he likes you, you can do no wrong. If he doesn't like you, you get what Hopkins got. If he's mad at you, you're evil incarnate. That's how he coaches, so to hell with the cost.I am hoping Safety Tayshon Gipson will resolve that unless he is in O'Brien's dog house. He was signed to shutdown tight ends as this was his strength but was injured. Of possible import was in a recent news media meeting, Coach mention all safeties but Gipson. In addition, he brought in two free agents and paid one a lot to be a back up. We will see.
Patton was considered great and brilliant general but not wanted as a President.That O'Brien makes me think about Gen. Patton as they portrayed him in the movie. If he likes you, you can do no wrong. If he doesn't like you, you get what Hopkins got. If he's mad at you, you're evil incarnate. That's how he coaches, so to hell with the cost.
He was also considered a problem by his superiors. So much so that he wasn't part of the actual D-day invasion strike force but was used as a diversion to distract where the actual invasion took place.Patton was considered great and brilliant general but not wanted as a President.
New DC may install different zone principles or zone integrity.
Could help some. A better pass rush could help more.
He was also considered a problem by his superiors. So much so that he wasn't part of the actual D-day invasion strike force but was used as a diversion to distract where the actual invasion took place.
But I do agree that if you're not a BOB guy, you probably never will be.
While I agree with you Cunningham not going anywhere and may get extension during this season. He has significantly improved stats annually and in Weaver's D could be better player. Yes it irks when short pass is caught but IMO is not costing us games often. We need to make the WR/TE regret being on the field. Zach had 6 passes defended but needs to lay wood more. Is Greenard a possibility here? 6'3"; 30.5 vertical and by game 4 should be stronger. He had 4.34 twenty yard shuffle so should be able to target and impact catch.I don't think a the pass rush is going to stop short routes over the middle - those are designed to take advantage of a pass rush …. Somebody's gotta be able to cover for that 2+ seconds so the pass rush can work its magic.
When the Texans drafted Cunningham , I really thought this problem would be behind them as that was one of his strengths in college , that hasn't been the case. McKinney isn't that guy either … and putting a safety on those big TE's is offering up a mismatch.
I think this is a personnel flaw …. they need a LBer who can cover. Cunningham is a free agent after this year and is probably going to cost 10M plus , its possible the team moves on from him and they draft a replacement early in next years draft - If they don't move on from Cunningham , it'll be 2023 before they address the position with any urgency.
I don't think a the pass rush is going to stop short routes over the middle - those are designed to take advantage of a pass rush …. Somebody's gotta be able to cover for that 2+ seconds so the pass rush can work its magic.
When the Texans drafted Cunningham , I really thought this problem would be behind them as that was one of his strengths in college , that hasn't been the case. McKinney isn't that guy either … and putting a safety on those big TE's is offering up a mismatch.
I think this is a personnel flaw …. they need a LBer who can cover. Cunningham is a free agent after this year and is probably going to cost 10M plus , its possible the team moves on from him and they draft a replacement early in next years draft - If they don't move on from Cunningham , it'll be 2023 before they address the position with any urgency.
While I agree with you Cunningham not going anywhere and may get extension during this season. He has significantly improved stats annually and in Weaver's D could be better player. Yes it irks when short pass is caught but IMO is not costing us games often. We need to make the WR/TE regret being on the field. Zach had 6 passes defended but needs to lay wood more. Is Greenard a possibility here? 6'3"; 30.5 vertical and by game 4 should be stronger. He had 4.34 twenty yard shuffle so should be able to target and impact catch.
So..maybe McNairs making other teams think there are division between HC and players and then beat them in regular season?Not to derail the thread into a history debate but his problems were purposely emphasized to make the Germans think that there was trouble in the ranks and thus delay a counter attack which the allied forces were not yet prepared to withstand.
Patton's Role in D-Day - History
George S. Patton was not directly involved in the implementation or planning of the Invasion of Normany. But that is not to say that he did not performwww.historyonthenet.com
If you let Zach go, now is the only way you will save his cap hit for #4 and do you allow Greenard to be the rookie starter opposite Scarlett?If you let Cunningham, who I think is overrated and WFV or Stills go you have an extra 17-20 mil on the cap. You're about 1/2 way to resigning DW4.
I don't want to be looking at a linebacker with our first pick in third round next draft hoping he will start. I don't think it matters if we think he isn't worth it somebody will pay it and I will be surprised if that somebody is other than obrienYou can find Cunningham's replacement in the draft and probably get better in pass defense. Cleaning more of the house RS built. Cunningham is OK but certainly not worth 10 mil per yr.
I don't want to be looking at a linebacker with our first pick in third round next draft hoping he will start. I don't think it matters if we think he isn't worth it somebody will pay it and I will be surprised if that somebody is other than obrien
Blacklock will definitely help put more pressure on the passer.New DC may install different zone principles or zone integrity.
Could help some. A better pass rush could help more.
While I agree with you Cunningham not going anywhere and may get extension during this season. He has significantly improved stats annually and in Weaver's D could be better player. Yes it irks when short pass is caught but IMO is not costing us games often. We need to make the WR/TE regret being on the field. Zach had 6 passes defended but needs to lay wood more. Is Greenard a possibility here? 6'3"; 30.5 vertical and by game 4 should be stronger. He had 4.34 twenty yard shuffle so should be able to target and impact catch.
If you let Cunningham, who I think is overrated and WFV or Stills go you have an extra 17-20 mil on the cap. You're about 1/2 way to resigning DW4.
What will it cost and who do you think is worthy for the Texans to be able to draft any player high in the 2021 draft? They don't have a pick until the 3 rd round. I doubt Tunsil or Stills will be playing LB and I'm pretty sure they'd both be a liability in coverage if they did.I don't think a the pass rush is going to stop short routes over the middle - those are designed to take advantage of a pass rush …. Somebody's gotta be able to cover for that 2+ seconds so the pass rush can work its magic.
When the Texans drafted Cunningham , I really thought this problem would be behind them as that was one of his strengths in college , that hasn't been the case. McKinney isn't that guy either … and putting a safety on those big TE's is offering up a mismatch.
I think this is a personnel flaw …. they need a LBer who can cover. Cunningham is a free agent after this year and is probably going to cost 10M plus , its possible the team moves on from him and they draft a replacement early in next years draft - If they don't move on from Cunningham , it'll be 2023 before they address the position with any urgency.
BOB will try and get rid of David Johnson after this season, and realize the most he can get for him is a 6th rounder.What will it cost and who do you think is worthy for the Texans to be able to draft any player high in the 2021 draft? They don't have a pick until the 3 rd round. I doubt Tunsil or Stills will be playing LB and I'm pretty sure they'd both be a liability in coverage if they did.
What will it cost and who do you think is worthy for the Texans to be able to draft any player high in the 2021 draft? They don't have a pick until the 3 rd round. I doubt Tunsil or Stills will be playing LB and I'm pretty sure they'd both be a liability in coverage if they did.
What will it cost and who do you think is worthy for the Texans to be able to draft any player high in the 2021 draft? They don't have a pick until the 3 rd round. I doubt Tunsil or Stills will be playing LB and I'm pretty sure they'd both be a liability in coverage if they did.
I dont know if about Texans worthy. But a cover guy like Daveon Taylor was available in the 3rd rd. According to BB they are going to have three 3rd rd picks and two 4th rd picks. So they definitely have the ammo to move up into the 2nd rd.
The question is .… how many positions are they going to have to fill.
With the cap situation , you could see big holes at RB with David Johnson gone if he doesn't perform very well (5.85m in cap savings if he's cut) - WR could be a disaster , particularly if Cooks doesn't play well - no dead money in cutting him if he doesn't , Stills contract expires after this season and then there's Fuller who will be an unrestricted free agent. If he has a good year , he could easily get offers well above the Texans price range.
And we haven't even gotten around to talking about Cornerback …. and the very real possibility of a contracting cap.
Who is going to have those draft picks? Certainly not Houston.I dont know if about Texans worthy. But a cover guy like Daveon Taylor was available in the 3rd rd. According to BB they are going to have three 3rd rd picks and two 4th rd picks. So they definitely have the ammo to move up into the 2nd rd.
Who is going to have those draft picks? Certainly not Houston.
I want to be looking at BPA however I take wide receiver and OR cornerback round 3; best OT / O Guard 4th roundWhat do you want to be looking at?
I considered LB to be a hole in last yrs draft.
? Where did I say that?You said they had three 3rd rd picks coming and two 4th rd picks.
I haven't looked into the 2021 draft. But they should have enough ammo to move up into the 2nd and get a LB that can cover.
? Where did I say that?
No issue. You just startled me.Somebody said that, I thought it was you.
I apologize for misquoting you.
Somebody said that, I thought it was you.
I apologize for misquoting you.
As far as the 2021 draft goes if I really liked a CB that fell or a LB that was a really good cover guy then I would trade a 2021 3rd and a 2022 2nd to trade up and get that guy.
They could trade say a 2021 3rd/4th/6th and move up into the 2nd. They have extra picks in those rds.
I agree, he has traded away enough and we need to mix in cheap labor and have his coaching staff nail developing the picks he as GM wants. You can only go so far on free agents. We had some cap space to leverage so the Tunsil deal was ok by me, but he needs to get more focused on the draft and building a teamI'm firmly planted against trading away any future picks while OB is still the GM / HC. The cap situation is bad enough and the cupboard is bare of premium picks and the roster is full of holes.
When he's finally gone , I want the new regime to have a clean slate , a full set of picks and cap space to go get their guys. I want year one of that new regime to be about building a future , not cleaning up the past. We can only hope that this is sooner than later.
I agree, he has traded away enough and we need to mix in cheap labor and have his coaching staff nail developing the picks he as GM wants. You can only go so far on free agents. We had some cap space to leverage so the Tunsil deal was ok by me, but he needs to get more focused on the draft and building a team
1st - Traded in Tunsil deal3, two 4s, 5th. Three 6s and one 7th. IIRC
Thanks, was under impression that we pick up another 6th in a trade. Perhaps it was for 2022? I do expect to get quality guys with our first three picks.1st - Traded in Tunsil deal
2nd - Traded in Tunsil deal
3rd - Texans
4th - Texans
4th - From Arizona in Hopkins deal
5th - Texans
6th - Texans
6th - From New Orleans for 2020 7th
7th - Texans
1st - Traded in Tunsil deal
2nd - Traded in Tunsil deal
3rd - Texans
4th - Texans
4th - From Arizona in Hopkins deal
5th - Texans
6th - Texans
6th - From New Orleans for 2020 7th
7th - Texans
The Texans have Rams 2022 4th from the Cooks trade.Thanks, was under impression that we pick up another 6th in a trade. Perhaps it was for 2022? I do expect to get quality guys with our first three picks.
I thought this thread died with General Patton. Thank you for the additional insight and back and forth. Seems like this issue wasn’t addressed in the draft and the problem is going to persist unless Cole stays healthy, Zach improves, communication between DB’s/LB’s improve and or scheme is changed. Gipson leaving didn’t help. Anyhow, I hope something is figured out. It’s been a big and obvious weakness easily exploited.
When the Texans drafted Cunningham , I really thought this problem would be behind them as that was one of his strengths in college , that hasn't been the case. McKinney isn't that guy either … and putting a safety on those big TE's is offering up a mismatch
I thought Cunningham had his best year in coverage.
imo we're not a good zone team. Get us in m2m & it's easy to scheme an open middle.
But people are focused on the offense. The big problems are on the defensive side of the football, folks.