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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

also if the FBI is involved it’s because something occurred where they have CLEAR jurisdiction. Cashapp transactions, Instagram messages, plane tickets. Something where the internet was used to solicit and fly women into Texas and assault them.
 
Earl34 said:
So, have we moved on from indecent exposure, to sexual assault to sex trafficking or is it a combination of all three? Is this sex trafficking similar to what Matt Gaetz is being accused of? I can't keep up.
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What does Gaetz have to do with this POS actions?

Just more BS attempted distractions.

To answer your question, all 3. He's already admitted to 2 and hopefully will be good to trial on the sexual assault charges.
 
steelbtexan said:
What does Gaetz have to do with this POS actions?

Just more BS attempted distractions.

To answer your question, all 3. He's already admitted to 2 and hopefully will be good to trial on the sexual assault charges.
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Distract from what? You don't have to respond if it will interrupt or distract you from your repetitive stream of trash and POS posts? When you think of FBI and sex trafficking inquiries, NXIVM and Gaetz are two of the more recent news stories. That was the point. Thanks for answering the question. Feel free to return to your POS and trash postings.
 
Earl34 said:
Distract from what? You don't have to respond if it will interrupt or distract you from your repetitive stream of trash and POS posts? When you think of FBI and sex trafficking inquiries, NXIVM and Gaetz are two of the more recent news stories. That was the point. Thanks for answering the question. Feel free to return to your POS and trash postings.
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I will

Continue your posts backing a sexual predator.
 
Earl34 said:
You got the wrong poster. I don't back sexual predators or perverts. You keep mistaking anyone who doesn't share your over the top glee for Watson's self-destruction as a supporter of perverts, trash and POS. I'm not interested in playing your faux moral superiority game.
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What makes you think I have glee that these women were either put in a bad position or a sexual predator assaulted them.

Just because your guy is a POS doesn't mean I don't care about what happened to these women and yes, I'm enjoying watching a person so full of himself twist in the wind over the mess that he totally created and some are defending him knowing he fully created this mess. Oh how the arrogant and mighty have fallen, from demanding a trade and thinking he was going to call the shots on the new GM/HC to having a skilled attorney like Hardin making a fool of himself calling all 24 women liars in an attempt to keep this POS out of jail from a federal trafficking charge and a Harris County sexual assault charge. How you couldn't be happy getting a person like this out of town befuddles me.
 
What are you laughing about Earl

I guess you have a sick sense of humor.

These women deserve better.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
And they aren’t wasting time. You don’t convene a grand jury if you think a case is dicey. If the FBI is investigating you, it’s not for something dicey.
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Grand Juries often indict what turns into a lost case
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Hardin said that Watson spoke to FBI back in April about the alleged extortion involving a massage therapist and, I believe, another man. Hardin provided their evidence of such communications back in March. If there were something to his allegations, the FBI investigation would likely have produced results by now.

Hardin admitted he first learned of the FBI's investigation (inquiry, whatever) into Watson from the Buzbee interview this week. So this investigation is new, and much more complex.
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@CloakNNNdagger I have heard that there is something about human trafficking going on with the FBI investigation. Do you have any information on what that could be about? It was on 3 podcasts I listen to. And I just heard it on my way to work this morning. Very interested to hear if it is true or false.
 
Lucky said:
Vick was not the same QB when he came back. And he did 2 years in prison. As disgusting as Watson's purported behavior has been, he's not going to jail. He's unlikely to see a courtroom either civilly or criminally, other than agreeing to a plea. Not the same situation here.
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I'd wager you are dead wrong here.

The first step is the grand jury which is in the works and better than 95% of those cases that go to a grand jury result in indictments.

He will face judge & jury criminally unless he cops a plea deal and in doing so admits guilt after which the NFL would terminate him.

Hell a plea deal on a single sex charge is likely to include a lengthy prison term .... He'll have at least 11 cases.

Lucky said:
He could plead no contest. Which would likely be by the public as a guilty plea. But still not plead guilty.
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No DA is agreeing to that with 11 sex cases pending.
 
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Lucky said:
There's too many reasons Harris County DA's office won't want to take this to trial. There's a good chance Watson will no longer be a Harris County resident by the time this is over.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
This is a high profile case, and the DA or the FBI are unlikely to let is get lost in the shuffle/volume and shunt it off as if it were a run-of-the-mill case.
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Lucky said:
I'll respectively disagree. These agencies aren't going to waste time on a dicey case when they can get an easy deal and proclaim a win in a photo op.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Likewise.:handshake:
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dicey vs juicy
 
Earl34 said:
So, have we moved on from indecent exposure, to sexual assault to sex trafficking or is it a combination of all three? Is this sex trafficking similar to what Matt Gaetz is being accused of? I can't keep up.
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My suggestion is that you read Doc's post thoroughly .... As I've stated several times over the last few months and Doc's article confirms , Watson forced at least two of these women to perform oral sex on him.
If that's not sex assault you tell me what is.

CloakNNNdagger said:
I think that those who have not really looked into the victims' testimonies should review these short summaries that are the massage experiences with Watson of only 20 of the alleged victims.

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Deshaun Watson accusers: A timeline of numerous lawsuits against Houston Texans quarterback
Houston Texans' Deshaun Watson faces 20 lawsuits accusing him of misconduct
Tuesday, March 30, 2021


HOUSTON -- The number of lawsuits filed against Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, accusing him of a range of actions during massage appointments over the past year, from refusing to cover his genitals to forced oral sex, continues to grow.

Watson has denied the allegations in the lawsuits, which do not name any of the women. He is also accused of deleting Instagram messages and contacting the women in an attempt to settle.

Below is a summary of the alleged behavior, according to the lawsuits.

The lawsuits contain explicit language that can be considered graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.

March 30, 2020, at the plaintiff's home in Texas. The plaintiff has run a massage therapy business since 2018 and is a licensed therapist. He contacted her via direct message on Instagram and insisted no one else be present during his massage. The woman alleges that Watson exposed his penis and touched her hand with his penis. She says she ended the massage abruptly and Watson told her: "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine." She says he texted later to apologize but she did not respond.

Read lawsuit 1: Allegations from March 2020

April 19, 2020 at a Houston spa. The plaintiff, a licensed esthetician who owns her skin care business, says she was contacted by Watson via Instagram. During a massage appointment, Watson directed the woman to work on the crevices in his groin area, the lawsuit states. She says when he rolled over onto his back, he had an erection and repeatedly touched her hand with his penis. He ejaculated, leaving the woman "confused and mortified," the lawsuit states.

May 28, 2020 at Watson's home in Houston. The plaintiff, a certified personal trainer who did not specialize in massage, says Watson wanted to book with her anyway and told her he wanted to focus on his groin, glutes and lower abdominals. She says the massage took place in a theater room, and that at one point Watson exposed his penis and moved it to her hand. The lawsuit says Watson told her, "I hope you do not mind if we continue the massage like this." The woman says she started stuttering and said "I do not know. I do not know," before ending the massage. The plaintiff says she called her mother and best friend that day to tell them what happened, and that Watson texted her the same day asking if she was OK.

Read the lawsuit detailing the alleged incidents from May 28, 2020.

June 2, 2020 at a spa in Houston. The plaintiff has been in the massage business about 11 years and is a licensed therapist who routinely works with pro athletes. She says Watson contacted her via Instagram and later by phone, telling her he makes "a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable and it's really hard for me to find someone who will meet my needs." During the appointment, the woman says, Watson continually tried to remove towels and exposed his penis multiple times and moved "in such a way to make his penis touch Plaintiff." The lawsuit says Watson tried to schedule future appointments but was ignored or declined.

Read the lawsuit: Allegations from June 2020

June 2020 and Aug. 17, 2020 at a hotel and later a spa in Houston. The plaintiff, who offers bodywork and stretch therapy classes, markets her business through Instagram. She said she initially did not know who Watson was when he contacted her through the manager at a spa where she worked. She met him at a hotel where he was staying, the lawsuit says. She says Watson groped her buttocks and vagina, and she slapped him. She says he later touched her hand with his penis. On Aug. 17, she says, Watson reached out on Instagram, and she didn't realize the connection to her earlier client until he arrived. The lawsuit says Watson apologized for his earlier behavior but during the appointment exposed himself, forced the woman's mouth onto his penis and masturbated in front of her.

Read the lawsuits from June and August 2020.

July 2020 at the plaintiff's house in Houston. The plaintiff offered Watson a teeth whitening and sauna detox when he originally reached out via Instagram for a massage. Later, by telephone, Watson asked about Swedish massage, and she said she would try to learn it before his appointment, according to the lawsuit. During the appointment, the woman says, Watson lay naked on his stomach and told her to massage the area underneath his genitals and anus before flipping onto his back. The lawsuit states that as the plaintiff massaged his groin, Watson ejaculated on her face and body. She says he then took her hand and had it touch his penis. The woman called a friend later that day to say what had happened because, she says, she was in shock.
July 15, 2020 at a home in Beverly Hills, Calif. The plaintiff, a licensed massage therapist, says Watson contacted her on Instagram. He later gave her an address to a house in Beverly Hills where she was to meet him, the lawsuit says. When she arrived, she says, she was led to a room where Watson locked the door. The plaintiff says she took out mace, and Watson laughed but didn't say anything. When the massage started, the lawsuit states, Watson asked her to massage his glutes and pointed to his anus, and the plaintiff refused. When Watson flipped over, he had an erection covered by a towel, which he removed, the plaintiff says. She says Watson grabbed her hands and moved them toward his genitals and forced her hands onto his penis. Afterward, she says, he told her, "I will not have you sign a NDA but don't ever talk about this.

Read the allegations from July 2020.

Aug. 2, 2020 at a hotel in Houston. The plaintiff offers various wellness services in homes, hotels and offices. Watson allegedly contacted her by Instagram to set up an appointment. The woman says that, during the session, Watson repeatedly asked if he could be naked and demanded she focus on the buttocks. The lawsuit alleges that Watson told the plaintiff he wanted her to touch his anus with her fingers. After the session, according to the lawsuit, Watson was naked in the room when the plaintiff returned from washing her hands and he allegedly asked if she did more than just professional work "for more money." The woman says she immediately declined and told him to leave. Due to the incident, she left the profession, the lawsuit states.

Read the lawsuit from Aug. 2, 2020.

Aug. 28, 2020 at the Houstonian Hotel. The plaintiff has owned a massage therapy business in Atlanta since 2019. She says Watson contacted her via Instagram and flew her to Houston for his appointment. The woman says Watson tried to get her to touch his genitals and exposed himself. She said she ended the massage and Watson grabbed her hand and arm and said, 'It is OK. It is OK.' She said she pulled away. When Watson went to shower, she says, she left for the airport and did not respond to later requests from Watson.

Read the lawsuit: Allegations from August 2020

Several encounters between Sept. 9, 2020, and October 2020 at a spa in Houston. The plaintiff, a licensed esthetician of nine years, offers back treatments and body scrubs. In one session, the lawsuit says, Watson asked the woman "what she would do about his erection." She told him his behavior was inappropriate, the lawsuit says. In an October session, she says, Watson tried to put his penis in the plaintiff's hand so she would touch it and moved his body so his penis would touch her hand. She says he insisted she focus on his groin, complained she was wearing too many clothes and tried to kiss her. The woman says she cut the second session short and Watson left.

Read the allegations from September and October 2020.

Sept. 24, 2020 at a rented room in a Houston salon. The plaintiff, who owns her own fitness company and offers body conditioning and wellness therapy, says Watson contacted her on Instagram. She said Watson asked if it was OK if he got naked and "if he got aroused." Later, she says, he moved his body to have his penis touch her hand. She said she moved away and Watson then ejaculated. The lawsuit says the woman "felt violated and disgusted" and immediately stopped the session.

Two sessions -- Oct. 19 and around Nov. 2, 2020 -- at the plaintiff's office in Houston. The woman owns a bodywork and stretch therapy company and had been open around six months. She said Watson contacted her on Instagram. In the first session, she says, Watson wanted her to work on his inner thighs. She said she doesn't "do that kind of work," but she did after he insisted, according to the lawsuit. During the second session, Watson kissed the plaintiff when he arrived, she says. She was shocked and left the office quickly to compose herself, and when she returned he exposed himself, the lawsuit says. Later, she says, Watson asked her to work on his buttocks and penis area but she declined. The lawsuit says he moved in a way to have his penis touch her hand and offered to pay extra if she worked on his buttocks and penis. She says when she declined, Watson got upset and left.

Read lawsuit from Oct. 19, 2020 and Nov. 2, 2020
Read the lawsuit describing the events from Oct. 19.

Oct. 8, 2020 at a spa in Houston. The plaintiff says she had never given a massage at this spa before, and her boss had assigned her to Watson, whom she said might require a non-disclosure agreement to be signed. She did not sign an NDA. When the massage began, the plaintiff says, she started massaging Watson's lower legs, as her boss instructed. Watson later turned over and exposed his penis, the lawsuit states, and the woman continued massaging his inner thigh, lower stomach and sides as he instructed. Because his penis was exposed, the woman says, she had to brush against it during the massage. The suit says Watson told her not to be afraid to touch him, and the plaintiff responded that she was not paid to do that. She says he told her that's what he paid for, and that he left, paying only a third of what he was supposed to pay her.

Read the allegations in this lawsuit.

November 2020 at plaintiff's mother's house in Pearland. The plaintiff, a single mother, is a flight attendant and massage therapist. She says that Watson requested services when she was a massage therapy student, and often, shared her journey of massage therapy school with her followers on Instagram. The plaintiff says that she had never worked with any athletes from the Texans organization, but had previously known Watson through mutual friends, so she initially felt comfortable around him. According to the lawsuit, Watson initially asked her to come to a hotel at his private suite to do the massage, but she declined. After refusing, Watson allegedly kept messaging her to the point it felt like harassment before reaching out to a mutual friend. The friend reached out to the woman's best friend, who encouraged her to do the massage and said it would be OK. The plaintiff says that although she told Watson that she did not have a location where she could perform the massage, he was so persistent, he offered to drive to her in Pearland to her mother's house.

Session 1: This massage happened on Nov. 6, 2020, the suit alleges. According to court documents, Watson texted the plaintiff saying, "I even have a NDA I have therapist sign too." The plaintiff says that she left the room to allow Watson to get undressed, and that he left the NDA on the table for her to sign. When she returned Watson was lying naked on his stomach with only a towel covering his buttocks. Watson is accused of becoming aggressive and telling her "get up in there," "don't be scared," and "use your fingers." She refused to move further down, and Watson eventually flipped over onto his back. The plaintiff says he kept telling her to touch his penis, and she refused. After the massage, the woman says Watson texted her, "Hope that wasn't bad." The next day, Watson allegedly texted her asking for another session. She says she agreed because she thought that from a massage standpoint, she didn't do a good job and had wanted to give it another try.

Session 2: This occurred on Nov. 10, 2020 around 11 a.m. at the plaintiff's mother's house in the living room. In this instance, Watson allegedly told the woman that he had just come from practice and received a massage but wanted another one, explaining that, as an athlete, it's normal for him to get several massages a day. The plaintiff claims the second session started the same way as Session 1. She says Watson told her, "I am just trying to help you and show you how it's done." Again, the woman says that Watson's penis touched her hand several times and that he ejaculated. Watson got dressed and asked her about getting another massage that same day. She alleges that Watson texted her, saying, "Maybe 4:30 p.m.? At Houstonian. I see you're getting comfortable with certain techniques and areas." The plaintiff says that when she declined to do the next massage, Watson texted her incessantly and called her almost three times a day.

The plaintiff says she reached out to one of her friends who played for the NFL and told him the story. He allegedly told her that there is a thin line between physical therapy and sexual pleasure, and that Watson crossed the line.

Read the lawsuit: Flight attendant who also massages part-time alleges sexual assault from November 2020

Dec. 28, 2020 at a Houston office building. The woman, a licensed massage therapist since 2018, says Watson contacted her through Instagram. During the session, she says, Watson instructed her to slide her hands across his genitals. The woman says she started shaking and felt intimidated and threatened. The lawsuit says that he forced the woman to have oral sex and that she blacked out for a few minutes from fear. She says Watson then got dressed and left.

Lawsuit: Allegations from December 2020

Jan. 21, 2021 in Houston. The plaintiff, a licensed massage therapist who owns her own business in Houston, says Watson contacted her on Instagram. As the massage started, she says, Watson asked if he could remove draping because he gets hot. The woman says she told Watson that he would have to remain partially covered and that the massage was strictly professional. The lawsuit says he exposed his erect penis and caused it to touch her hand.

Read the lawsuit from January 2021.

March 5, 2021 at a massage therapy business in Sandy Springs, Georgia. The plaintiff is a licensed massage therapist who owns her own business. She says Watson contacted her on Instagram about a $55 discount massage she was offering. During the massage, she says, Watson made her uncomfortable and directed her to his groin area. She refused, and Watson exposed himself and put his penis on her hand, the lawsuit says. She says she was shocked and moved away, and Watson dressed and left.

Read the lawsuit from early March 2021.

Filed on March 29, 2021 The lawsuit says the plaintiff was referred to Watson by a mutual friend sometime in 2020. She is married and was married at the time of the alleged incidents, which happened over three sessions. The plaintiff, a licensed massage therapist for several years, marketed her business through Instagram and said she'd never had issues prior to her encounters with Watson. She claims they discussed scheduling over text messages. The first massage occurred at Watson's house. The woman says she insisted on draping, but Watson said he didn't want that, getting completely naked and urging that he didn't want her to massage his back. Instead, when he flipped over, his penis was exposed. The plaintiff said that Watson's penis touched her hand several times. Though she felt uncomfortable, she says she shrugged the incident off as nerves, wanted to keep Watson as a client to grow her business and agreed to schedule a second massage with Watson after he asked to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Session 2: The plaintiff says Watson again refused to drape or cover himself and proceeded to get nude. Watson only wanted to use a bath towel, but also complained about that, court documents say. The lawsuit states that the massage therapist was asked to massage his lower abdomen, his groin area, his penis and his testicles. The plaintiff refused, adding that she felt uncomfortable but didn't want to upset Watson or risk losing him as a client. She says his penis continued to touch her hand throughout the massage.

Session 3: Prior to the third session, Watson allegedly told the woman to "come wearing something comfortable." During the session, Watson again was naked, refused to cover himself and only wanted to wear a small washcloth, the lawsuit says. Watson is accused of "continuously and purposely" touching the woman with his penis by moving his body. By the end of the session, the plaintiff concluded that Watson wanted sex. After, she says she told Watson she was firing him as a client and did not want to jeopardize her marriage.

Read full lawsuit.

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Please note that the last victim was married.........In Texas, a sexual assault conviction for a second-degree felony charge will result in penalties of at least two years in prison with a maximum of 20 years in prison. If, however, marriage is involved (on either side) and the charge is enhanced to a first degree felony, sentence exposure is at least five years with a maximum of 99 years.
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SnakeEyes said:
@CloakNNNdagger I have heard that there is something about human trafficking going on with the FBI investigation. Do you have any information on what that could be about? It was on 3 podcasts I listen to. And I just heard it on my way to work this morning. Very interested to hear if it is true or false.
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The reason they are investigating "trafficking" is because of his use of the internet (instagram) to lure his victims - as I explained on page 139

Use of the internet to lure victims of sex crimes gets the feds involved.
 
Earl34 said:
For the record. I'm not laughing at the subject matter or these women. I'm laughing at your transparent trolling and faux moral superiority complex. Have a great evening, dude.
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No trolling

There's right and wrong, you're either on the side of right or wrong. There's no middle ground. Also I'm certainly not a morally superior type of person.

Fact is you're guy that you worshipped had shown his true colors and it's eating you up inside. Acceptance is the 1st step to recovery.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This is no guarantee. If criminal charges are filed, and the Watson has paid off the victims, if the victims then are sent a "body attachment" to testify and refuse, serious contempt of court charges can be filed by a Texas DA office or by the FBI, potentially resulting in hefty fines and jail time.
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I was thinking he would have paid people off way before criminal charges were considered.
 
steelbtexan said:
No trolling

There's right and wrong, you're either on the side of right or wrong. There's no middle ground. Also I'm certainly not a morally superior type of person.

Fact is you're guy that you worshipped had shown his true colors and it's eating you up inside. Acceptance is the 1st step to recovery.
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LMAO. Worship? Eating me up? Again you have the wrong poster. As far as acceptance and recovery, when you can admit you have hated the guy from the night he was drafted and this is just fuel and validation for your hate, then you can talk about the 1st step to recovery. The fact that everyone knows your agenda while you claim otherwise is what I find funny.
 
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Corrosion said:
No DA is agreeing to that with 11 sex cases pending.
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Let's try to remember this. These are sex cases with no DNA. No police report. No 911 call. No photos. While I think the women who documented their encounters with Watson have a strong case on the civil side, the criminal charges are "He said, she said". The preponderance of non-evidence points to a plea with no time served. I don't think either Harris County DA or Watson's attorneys will want to go to trial.
 
Lucky said:
Let's try to remember this. These are sex cases with no DNA. No police report. No 911 call. No photos. While I think the women who documented their encounters with Watson have a strong case on the civil side, the criminal charges are "He said, she said". The preponderance of non-evidence points to a plea with no time served. I don't think either Harris County DA or Watson's attorneys will want to go to trial.
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You make valid points on your opinion, but why would such evidence be available to the public at this time? I know we live in a "leaky media driven" society but could it be that there is solid evidence but the investigation(s) are still on going? Or perhaps the potential prosecuting side wants to gain more to ensure a verdict in legal favor of the law? So many variables...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Some of the criminal claimants were fueled to go to the authorities after being deeply bothered by Hardin's statement that all of the alleged victims were "liars." And after mulling over the disturbing statement at length, they made the decision to press forward with the criminal complaints.
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that’s sweet. Get allegedly physically assault and be ok with it enough so to not seek justice……but call me a liar & it’s on!
 
Lucky said:
Let's try to remember this. These are sex cases with no DNA. No police report. No 911 call. No photos. While I think the women who documented their encounters with Watson have a strong case on the civil side, the criminal charges are "He said, she said". The preponderance of non-evidence points to a plea with no time served. I don't think either Harris County DA or Watson's attorneys will want to go to trial.
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In the state of Texas, you can be prosecuted without physical evidence as many times sex assault cases are he said she said.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
You make valid points on your opinion, but why would such evidence be available to the public at this time? I know we live in a "leaky media driven" society but could it be that there is solid evidence but the investigation(s) are still on going? Or perhaps the potential prosecuting side wants to gain more to ensure a verdict in legal favor of the law? So many variables...
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OK, but what would that potential solid evidence look like? The police were never called out at the time of any of these incidents. So where would any admissible evidence come from? As far as leaks go, most have come from the plaintiffs' lawyer.

The bar for the civil cases is much lower. Those women that kept their text messages and can show how Watson's behavior affected their businesses are in good shape. But criminally, there can be no reasonable doubt to Watson's guilt on the charges. Whatever you or I think probably happened, there's plenty of room for reasonable doubt.
 
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KoolAid Sipper said:
You make valid points on your opinion, but why would such evidence be available to the public at this time? I know we live in a "leaky media driven" society but could it be that there is solid evidence but the investigation(s) are still on going? Or perhaps the potential prosecuting side wants to gain more to ensure a verdict in legal favor of the law? So many variables...
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Buzzard supposedly sent packets of “evidence” to HPD very early on which resulted in more criminal complaints being filed. So I’m inclined to believe that if any of that hugely daming evidence was available, HPD, would’ve been had DW4 in cuffs by now. They wouldn’t need to wait until the investigation is concluded…
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
By now if one has not read about and understood the psychology of sexual assault victims and why they don't readily seek police help (documented by myriad of research), then one must be blind to reality.
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Absolutely. But, most think of aggravated assault on women that causes this type of fear. Brushing a penis across a hand is clearly disgusting, but on a different scale. I'm not sure many of these women even realized it was a prosecutable offense, which would help explain why the incidents went unreported, initially. I think confusion over what happened, hand in hand with concern over their livelihood, was more of a factor than the PTSD symptoms most assault victims encounter.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
You make valid points on your opinion, but why would such evidence be available to the public at this time? I know we live in a "leaky media driven" society but could it be that there is solid evidence but the investigation(s) are still on going? Or perhaps the potential prosecuting side wants to gain more to ensure a verdict in legal favor of the law? So many variables...
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A case could be made for the other side of the coin. If Watson and Hardin know 100% that Watson is guilty and Buzzbee has enough hard evidence to present in a court of law…..seems to me that Watson would’ve been advised, by Hardin, to settle as quickly as possible.

They’ve not settled and seem more than willing to let this play out in court. Does that make him innocent? Not necessarily. Does that make him guilty? Not necessarily. Guess we’ll have to wait for the court hearing.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
By now if one has not read about and understood the psychology of sexual assault victims and why they don't readily seek police help (documented by myriad of research), then one must be blind to reality.
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Show me the study that shows where victims finally go seek the help of the police only after someone calls them a name….isn’t the reason they don’t seek it in the 1st place b/c they believe people won’t believe them? In this instance they shouldn’t be “emboldened” to come forward if what actually happens is exactly what they thought was gonna happen.

In that regard It’s at least a reasonable assertion to believe that at least some of the alleged victims’ motivations to come forward are due to “other” monetary reasons…as laid out by Buzzard.
 
Earl34 said:
LMAO. Worship? Eating me up? Again you have the wrong poster. As far as acceptance and recovery, when you can admit you have hated the guy from the night he was drafted and this is just fuel and validation for your hate, then you can talk about the 1st step to recovery. The fact that everyone knows your agenda while you claim otherwise is what I find funny.
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I didn't want them to draft him because I don't think you can win a championship with his style of play. What agenda did I have?

The fact that he turned out to be a perv fortunately saved the Texans org/ McNair's marketing machine from themselves and if you don't think you can win a championship with the guy then the org will be better off in the long run.

And yes, Clemson Texan, where's that guy, he certainly didn't hang around face the music like you and TB have and I want y'all to know that I respect y'all for this.

However y'all backed a loser and I called it from the beginning, his selfish and reckless play on the field mirrored his reckless and selfish lifestyle off of the field.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
A case could be made for the other side of the coin. If Watson and Hardin know 100% that Watson is guilty and Buzzbee has enough hard evidence to present in a court of law…..seems to me that Watson would’ve been advised, by Hardin, to settle as quickly as possible.

They’ve not settled and seem more than willing to let this play out in court. Does that make him innocent? Not necessarily. Does that make him guilty? Not necessarily. Guess we’ll have to wait for the court hearing.
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Agreed about letting it play out.

Also with criminal charges that are going to be filled soon it makes no sense to pay off the civil suits. From the beginning Hardin's mission has been trying to keep this POS out of jail, the civil suits are the least of this POS problems.
 
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Show me the study that shows where victims finally go seek the help of the police only after someone calls them a name….isn’t the reason they don’t seek it in the 1st place b/c they believe people won’t believe them? In this instance they shouldn’t be “emboldened” to come forward if what actually happens is exactly what they thought was gonna happen.

In that regard It’s at least a reasonable assertion to believe that at least some of the alleged victims’ motivations to come forward are due to “other” monetary reasons…as laid out by Buzzard.
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Except some of the women that have come forward aren't part of the lawsuits and have only filed criminally or not filed at all
 
steelbtexan said:
Except some of the women that have come forward aren't part of the lawsuits and have only filed criminally or not filed at all
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But, I think @Mr teX is pointing out that none came forward at the time of the incident. If these cases were to go to trial, why they didn't is a question that will be asked.
 
Lucky said:
But, I think @Mr teX is pointing out that none came forward at the time of the incident. If these cases were to go to trial, why they didn't is a question that will be asked.
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Which is the question to which Cloak's response was referring and something that's been discussed ad nauseum in this thread already. It's effectively asking why these women didn't do something that women in general do not do in these circumstances.

Why would they come forward if they thought it would only make things worse, ruining their business and/or their reputation, if they thought there was no way they could get justice, if they thought they would be blamed, that they would be portrayed as hookers, con artists trying to make a buck off a rich man, sluts who were asking for it, or whatever? When Due Process dictates that you treat the accused as innocent until proven guilty, you get into a situation where the accuser comes under harsher scrutiny than the accused and in many cases is assumed to be guilty, instead.

Think about it. What if you were sexually assaulted by a guy like this? Imagine that it's just your word against his. And he was rich. Do you even try to place a complaint if you know no one's going to believe you over him?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Think about it. What if you were sexually assaulted by a guy like this? Imagine that it's just your word against his. And he was rich. Do you even try to place a complaint if you know no one's going to believe you over him?
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There could be a myriad of reasons why these women didn't come forward, initially. But if the case were to come up in court, it is a question they will have to answer. And convince a jury.
 
Lucky said:
There's could be a myriad of reasons why these women didn't come forward, initially. But if the case were to come up in court, it is a question they will have to answer. And convince a jury.
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Oh, yeah. That should be easy enough. It's not like it's going to be a surprise question or anything.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
A case could be made for the other side of the coin. If Watson and Hardin know 100% that Watson is guilty and Buzzbee has enough hard evidence to present in a court of law…..seems to me that Watson would’ve been advised, by Hardin, to settle as quickly as possible.

They’ve not settled and seem more than willing to let this play out in court. Does that make him innocent? Not necessarily. Does that make him guilty? Not necessarily. Guess we’ll have to wait for the court hearing.
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But we don't know that Hardin didn't/hasn't recommended settling. We know that Hardin wasn't involved at the onset of this mess and we know that Watson is adamant that he did nothing wrong so Hardin is doing what he can based on his client's wishes. I don't know if Watson is innocent or guilty, the legal system will figure that out but in the end nothing good will come of this for all those involved.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
But we don't know that Hardin didn't/hasn't recommended settling. We know that Hardin wasn't involved at the onset of this mess and we know that Watson is adamant that he did nothing wrong so Hardin is doing what he can based on his client's wishes. I don't know if Watson is innocent or guilty, the legal system will figure that out but in the end nothing good will come of this for all those involved.
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1st rule when dealing with your attorney is to be completely upfront and honest about everything. So in that regard, I have to believe Hardin knows everything that happened prior to him getting involved…this is in addition to his own teams’ research and investigating work.
And if you believe this, you have to believe the fact that he is still advocating that DW4 not settle…it potentially says a lot about what Hardin thinks the evidence against his clients t is like.
 
Mr teX said:
1st rule when dealing with your attorney is to be completely upfront and honest about everything. So in that regard, I have to believe Hardin knows everything that happened prior to him getting involved…this is in addition to his own teams’ research and investigating work.
And if you believe this, you have to believe the fact that he is still advocating that DW4 not settle…it potentially says a lot about what Hardin thinks the evidence against his clients t is like.
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No it doesn’t. Rusty doesn’t have all the evidence yet. Because it’s still a criminal investigation, and hasn’t been apt to discovery yet.
 
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