Rick Smith's record in free agency

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  1. TexansFanatic

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    I just read Richard Justice's latest piece on the Texans.

    He says: "They've made a bunch of mistakes in free agency, but the bottom line is that the Texans are poised to be a playoff contender."

    I understand Rick Smith hasn't been perfect, but isn't free agency kind of a hit and miss proposition? I thought Ahman Green was a risky pickup at best right from the start because a running back simply runs out of gas at 30. It really doesn't matter how well you treat your body, age 30 is a wall of sorts. Period. I felt the same way about Rosevelt Colvin for the exact same reason.

    But hasn't Smith also done really well with a number of his acquisitions? What about guys like Mike Brisiel? Tim Bulman? DelJuan Robinson? And, dare I say it---Jacques Reeves? What about Matt Turk? Eugene Wilson? Nick Ferguson? What about Andre Davis?

    Hasn't Smith actually gotten more right than wrong?
     
  2. Texan JBZ

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    Yes he has. You have to consider the source you got the story from. Dick Justice still has his tongs pulled way far up in his ass from the Texans getting rid of Riley. He's a joke and I never take any of his crap seriously. It's his nature to point out the bad moves without giving the guy any dues for the good moves he's made. He's got a personal problem with Rick Smith.
     
  3. TheRealJoker

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    Vonta Leach.
     
  4. TexansFanatic

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    Awesome. Thank you.
     
  5. TEXANRED

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    Rick Smith inherited a team that was hamstrung with dead money. This is going to be the first year that he is going to be able to sign FA that might actually work out.

    I will give you Green, but don't tell me Sherman didn't push hard for him. Other than that everyone signed was role players, backups, and depth.

    Smith has done a fine job thus far. Now lets see what he does this off season. His first stop needs to be at the farmers market and pick us up some Peppers.
     
  6. TexansFanatic

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    I'm guessing you meant to say "BIG NAME free agent". He's already signed a boatload of free agents that have worked out very well. In fact, by my count a full seven starters are free agents signed by Smith. Two others, Schaub and Myers, were acquired outside the draft by trading draft picks.

    And you make a great point about Ahman Green. I bet Sherman did push hard for him.
     
  7. TEXANRED

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    You are correct sir.
     
  8. Lucky

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    Admitting the problem is the first step.

    As you guys have pointed out, Smith (and Kubiak) have done a good job (not great) with the hand they've been dealt regarding free agents. And the elephant in the room is that the Texans are not yet an attractive landing spot for free agents. Which is why a lot of fans will end up disappointed this offseason. Peppers won't be wearing Steel Blue next season, but Bertrand Berry might be. Kubiak and Smith will have make that reality work.
     


  9. dalemurphy

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    I totally agree... And, for relatively young men and this being their first GM and Head Coaching job, respectively, I'd say that's a heck of a foundation and am very much looking forward to how good they will become at running this team.

    p.s. You don't want Peppers as a FA. He'd be too expensive and that contract would cause other issues with other players. Not to mention the fact that he disappeared for about 1.5 years and then had a good year once his contract was up... that's a little concerning, no?
     
  10. D-ReK

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    Rick Smith was hired as GM on 6/5/2006. Since then, these have been our pickups:

    6/13/2006: FB Nick Luchey -- He was ok and served his purpose as a camp body
    7/30/2006: CB Dexter McCleon -- He was decent vet depth in 2006
    8/4/2006: CB Earthwind Moreland -- Haha what a name. Can't say I remember him
    8/14/2006: DE Darrell Wright -- Never heard of him
    8/16/2006: LB Trent Bray -- Rookie who had some promise but never played
    8/24/2006: LB Courtney Watson -- Decent LB. I don't think he made the team
    9/5/2006: RB Ron Dayne -- Serviceable, though he was hated by many
    9/7/2006: DT Thomas Johnson -- I remember thinking he looked better than Travis Johnson
    10/9/2006: FB Vonta Leach -- Orgazmic signing
    11/1/2006: CB Dexter Wynn -- Decent PR who played a little CB
    11/14/2006: CB Von Hutchins -- Decent CB who we lost in FA to the Falcons
    11/14/2006: DT Cedric Killings -- Looked good until his unfortunate injury
    11/14/2006: OT Mike Pearson -- Never played
    11/21/2006: S Michael Stone -- I don't think he played much
    1/2/2007: TE Joel Dreessen -- Good signing. I'm higher on him than most
    1/9/2007: CB Jason Horton -- Placed on IR during the preseason
    3/5/2007: RB Ahman Green -- FAIL
    3/7/2007: LB Danny Clark -- Decent SLB for us when healthy
    3/9/2007: OT Jordan Black -- FAIL
    3/15/2007: DT Jeff Zgonina -- Decent rotation guy
    3/21/2007: LB Shawn Barber -- Injured all season
    3/22/2007: Traded for QB Matt Schaub -- WIN
    3/23/2007: Released Carr and DD/W -- WIN
    4/5/2007: CB Jamar Fletcher -- He was ok, I guess
    4/12/2007: WR Andre Davis -- Pretty good 2007, slipped in 2008
    5/10/2007: Signed Deljuan Robinson, Darius Walker and others as UDFAs -- Deljuan rocks!
    7/9/2007: WR Bethel Johnson -- Didn't make the team
    7/9/2007: LB Zac Woodfin -- Didn't make the team
    7/10/2007: DT Thomas Smith -- Don't remember him
    7/27/2007: WR Keenan McCardell -- Didn't make the team
    7/28/2007: OT Kevin Barry -- One of Sherman's guys. Didn't play much if at all
    7/30/2007: RB Patrick Pass -- I don't think he made the team
    8/14/2007: CB Tyrone Poole -- I don't think he made the team
    9/1/2007: Traded Babin for Boulware -- I still don't like the trade. At least Babin is still in the league
    9/3/2007: OT Rashad Butler -- By all accounts is developing nicely
    9/11/2007: S Will Demps -- Pro Bowl alternate. Good low risk signing
    10/10/2007: RB Adimchinobe Echemandu -- He looked decent in limited duty
    10/24/2007: QB Shane Boyd -- He looked good in preseason
    10/30/2007: QB Craig Nall -- Never took a snap
    11/13/2007: S Curome Cox -- Decent ST player
    12/4/2007: OG Mike Brisiel to active roster -- Solid starter
    1/10/2008: WR LeRon McCoy -- Looked good before getting released. I wouldn't mind having his brother
    1/15/2008: OC Chukky Okobi -- Never played
    3/1/2008: CB Jacques Reeves -- He played ok at times. Hopefully Gibbs can improve him
    3/3/2008: LB Kevin Bentley -- Looked good when forced to start
    3/13/2008: RB Chris Brown -- FAIL
    3/14/2008: LB Chaun Thompson -- Wasn't the pass rusher we thought he'd be
    3/17/2008: Traded for Chris Myers -- Pretty good move. He needs to get stronger
    3/24/2008: QB Quinn Gray -- Insurance that we didn't need since we didn't trade Sage
    6/16/2008: DE/LB Rosevelt Colvin -- FAIL
    7/31/2008: RB Mike Bell -- Wasn't in shape and got cut
    8/18/2008: RB Marcel Shipp -- Didn't make the team
    9/3/2008: S Eugene Wilson -- Good signing
    11/19/2008: DE Jesse Nading signed to active roster -- He looked decent on ST
    11/26/2008: CB Matterral Richardson signed from Redskins PS -- WHO?!?
    12/3/2008: LS Clark Harris signed to active roster -- Didn't look bad replacing Pittman
    12/17/2008: CB David Pittman signed to active roster -- Don't recall seeing him play

    Conclusion: To say they've made a "bunch" of mistakes in free agency is fair, since they've made more than three mistakes. However, they have had far more successes than failures in the free agent market. Rick Smith has shown an ability to add good talent from other team once the rosters are trimmed to 53, and that's an invaluable asset. A few of our under the radar signing have panned out, but our attempts at making a big splash haven't. Perhaps the front office should follow their instincts more often on players that they feel have a quality to thrive in our system as opposed to chasing the "big name", because it failed with Green, Brown, and Colvin. Heading into this offseason, we should expect more of the same. We're likely going to target role players who can start in a pinch then try to get our starters through the draft while hoping guys like Moulden, Reeves, Bennett, Okoye, Okam, Adibi, Diles, Barber, Bulman, and Robinson continue to develop and become either good starters or quality depth.
     
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  11. Ole Miss Texan

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    D-Rek... I must spread rep around :(

    I've been really pleased with Smith. Sure you can give a couple exceptions like Green but IMO he was worth the risk. It didn't work out so move on. It's not like he's been signing all these guy or making trades for all these players that don't fit and then give them a big pay day.

    He's done really well with guys to just help the foundation of this team which is what I'm most concerned with right now.

    I suspect he's also just as worried about extending guys like Demeco to stay on this team. Andre Johnson... check. We'll see about Dunta here soon enough and hopefully we can get to Demeco, Daniels, etc.
     
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    The best thing Smith has done in free agency is avoid overpaying guys. Our last GM had a habit of signing mediocre guys who didn't work out to enormous contracts.

    This GM has a habit of signing mediocre guys who don't work out to reasonable contracts.

    Its been much better
     
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    So is Chris Brown(running back) done, or will they try to give him another look in mini/training camp? I personally think its just a matter of time before he's injured again.
     
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    Outstanding post. I knew I could count on someone on this board to do a comprehensive breakdown of Smith's track record in free agency. Well done and thanks.
     
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    "Richard Justice's latest piece "

    can u post a link of that i would like to read that ????

    and looking at that list

    he made like 70% of the wrong decesions and about 30% right

    thats not really good IMO infact thats below average its "poor" Rick Smith is fired right ?????
     
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    I didn't see Cecil Sapp in there.

    Hasn't he given us some ST play?
     
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    Richard Justice's latest piece.....

    Is he wearing a variety of toupees now?
     
  19. dalemurphy

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    I just don't see signings like CBrown, Colvin, SBarber, etc... mistakes. They were zero risk signings in an effort to hit a home run and fill needs that went unfilled in the draft without spending money or trading value. Now, if we had an opportunity to sign CBrown or MTurner and simply chose CBrown.... then yeah, that's a mistake. However, that isn't really how I see things transpired. Clearly the AGreen signing was a failed risk. Again, though, I don't really criticize the move. We needed a RB and had so many needs that off-season and were in bad cap shape as well. If I remember correctly, it essentially was a choice between Green and THenry- not really a right answer there.

    I think this off-season is the first one that you can really grade Rick Smith without using a curve. This year, we only have moderate needs and aren't hamstrung by a poor cap situation which he did not create. I think the next 6 months are pretty defining for Smith as a GM. Anyone that considers him a failure or an unmitigated success at this point is running with some sort of agenda. I believe in the guy and am hopeful but I can't sit here and say that he's proven himself to be an excellent GM. And, anyone that argues he's been bad is probably not worth listening to either.
     
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    I see probably 1 "Doh!" move that people should ***** about. That's the Ahman Green signing. Other than that Smith has played it safe and not shelled out much money except to depth guys in FA. Other than that, people may quibble about the Reeves signing, but the guy has performed to some capacity for 16 games. He's middle of the road as a CB, and he's got a middle of the road contract. Ahman Green has given us absolutely nothing since he's been here, where as Reeves has at least showed up for the games. I'm not going to gripe about signing depth chart players for small contracts and they don't work out. Green, Weaver and Greenwood are the big cost : performance guys that should probably get cut (Although Weaver may stay on because of cap implications). Out of two years our FA periods have been nothing that was exciting, but nothing that totally bit us in the ass either.

    Overall if Smith is building up the cap so that he can make a big splash in a coming off season, lets just hope he hits as much there as he does in the draft.

    EDIT: Oh and richard justice is a piece alright. or a tool. whatever.
     

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