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Next year after Cassel is signed and starts, will we have run out of former Brady backups to bring in? Or will we trade for Garrapalo?
There's no good way to say this:
I'm not saying Mallett is a great QB. I'm saying he has more upside, imho, and is an unknown with potential. Hoyer is a known quantity and that quantity is mediocre. I was looking forward to seeing what Mallett could do as a starter. I'm all too aware of what Hoyer can do as a starter. Oh well. Such is life as a Texans fan.
I think he has better leadership qualities.
Seems like Mallet always has an excuse when he screws up. "Well, that was the play they told me to run." "Well, I could get away with that false start in New England." Hoyer just says "sorry Blue.
I'm not sold on Mallet having a better completion percentage in a preseason game as a logical reason to start him over Hoyer.
I understand that the sample size is much smaller
I think making risky moves every year means you most likely end up like Oakland or Washington. They would kill to be mediocre.
OR maybe we'll get Brady after a career threatening surgery.
Nice one! I can totally see that happening. In fact I see two really ugly scenarios coming out of New England. The first was hinted at by sandman with the "trade for Garrapolo" comment. Texans give Hoodie two 2's (just like Kubiak did for Schaub) for Polo and he turns out to be crap on a stick or at best Matt Schaub level. Takes about 6 years to happen though.
The second is your suggestion. McNair, mindful of how he could have had Manning and Kubiak together sees Gary & Peyton win a Super Bowl in Denver this year and when a broken, aged Brady comes available he orders Rick Smith to make it happen. Success does not follow.
So creepy possible it's hard to see it not happening.
When reports surfaced during the 2014 season that O'Brien would bring in Hoyer as his starter in 2015, I scoffed. Had these people seen Hoyer play? O'Brien certainly had. He wouldn't be so foolish.
Then during the free agency period, the rumors intensified regarding Hoyer to the Texans. "Why?", I thought. What would Hoyer bring other than familiarity to the offense? Fitz had better career numbers and had started more NFL games in an O'Brien offense. I dismissed it as Hoyer's agent talking up the Texans to get his client a better deal.
When the Texans did sign Hoyer (and Mallett), I winced. But, it had to be insurance in case Mallett's injury was worse than expected. Right? When there were reports out of OTAs that Hoyer had already won the job, I laughed. No way would O'Brien tie this season to this guy. Simply motivation for Mallett.
I was wrong. And whoever had the story about O'Brien coveting Hoyer 9-10 months ago was right. Hoyer was always O'Brien's guy. O'Brien was always going to make Hoyer his starting QB once he got a head coaching gig in the NFL. Brian Hoyer is Bill O'Brien's answer to the question "Who will lead the Houston Texans to the playoffs?". Brian Hoyer is straight off Bill O'Brien's grocery list and Brian Hoyer's performance is how Bill O'Brien should be judged as the Houston Texans head coach.
I would love pre-lisfranc Schaub. People really don't appreciate how good that QB was. After Moon, has there been a better 3-4 year QB play in Houston history?Nice one! I can totally see that happening. In fact I see two really ugly scenarios coming out of New England. The first was hinted at by sandman with the "trade for Garrapolo" comment. Texans give Hoodie two 2's (just like Kubiak did for Schaub) for Polo and he turns out to be crap on a stick or at best Matt Schaub level. Takes about 6 years to happen though.
The second is your suggestion. McNair, mindful of how he could have had Manning and Kubiak together sees Gary & Peyton win a Super Bowl in Denver this year and when a broken, aged Brady comes available he orders Rick Smith to make it happen. Success does not follow.
So creepy possible it's hard to see it not happening.
I would love pre-lisfranc Schaub. People really don't appreciate how good that QB was. After Moon, has there been a better 3-4 year QB play in Houston history?
More like:
Nobody is hanging their hat on that but it's not just preseason. Hoyer was a 55% guy last season. That's horrid unless you go back to the 70s.
It's not smaller, it's miniscule especially if you take out the injured game which anyone attempting a fair comparison would do. But that wouldn't be good either because it's just too small.
Who said anything about every year? But we can play that game - name the SB champs who played it safe every year to get there.
Mallet was a 54.7% passer last year.
Kinda my point -- I'm not sure what anyone saw in such a small sample size to cause them to rally behind Mallet.
I think the riskiest thing the Patriots did last year was add the best CB in football in FA. Not exactly a risky move. It was a lot riskier to let Revis walk this year IMO-- we'll see if that works out. It's a lot safer to run it on the goal line than it is to pass. as Pete Carrol learned last year. Ya think Seattle fans wish Carrol had played the safe odds last year?
Mallet was a 54.7% passer last year.
Kinda my point -- I'm not sure what anyone saw in such a small sample size to cause them to rally behind Mallet.
Won't these comments get him into trouble? lol
- Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 4m4 minutes ago
Ryan Mallett: 'Disappointed yeah? Angry yeah?'
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 5m5 minutes ago
Ryan Mallett: 'I thought I had a pretty good camp. I thought I was consistent. I wanted this job more than anything.'
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 5m5 minutes ago- Ryan Mallett: 'I would have attacked it the same way.'
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 6m6 minutes ago
- Ryan Mallett: 'Obviously, I'm disappointed. I don't agree with it. I'll do what I have to do to better the team.'
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli 20m20 minutes ago
Ryan Mallett is asked if he felt like he got a fair shake in the competition. "It is what it is," he says. #Texans
Except this year we don't have Arian.We get to hope for Fitzmagic-like miracles from O'Brien...again.
It was Hoyer's job to lose the day we signed him.
Yes, but people keep making the assumption that Mallett is a very good quarterback, and that is one of the reasons they are pissed - he's obviously better than Hoyer, right?
That was a big fat NO.
Brian Hoyer gives us a better chance to win.
I'm excited he won the job. Good call, Bill O'Brien.
So I'm a little late catching up on the thread, but up to the point you posted that, I don't see that assertion at all. Seems like you're propping up a straw man to knock down. Who is saying Mallett is a very good QB? Serious question. Respond with quotes.
Where I am annoyed, and I speak only for myself, is it seems like OB put Mallett in a position to highlight certain traits he wanted to have worked on, then when Mallett did those things competently, he comes up with the BS that Hoyer performed better in practice (but not public practice, as infantrycak has observed), and says we need to throw the ball deep. Well, you're the coach, OB. Call something that isn't a 3 step drop and see if he can throw it deep, hmmm? It's just all BS.
I don't actually think either one of them is the answer, but there's a tiny bit of uncertainty with Mallett, since he's never been given a real opportunity. So in the absence of a true starter, and given that their performance has been roughly equal, I say give the chance to the guy that might have a higher upside. I'm pretty sure none of that translates to thinking that Mallett is a very good QB.
So I'm a little late catching up on the thread, but up to the point you posted that, I don't see that assertion at all. Seems like you're propping up a straw man to knock down. Who is saying Mallett is a very good QB? Serious question. Respond with quotes.
Really? Look through all the threads on Mallett the past few months. Many think he is the Texans answer at quarterback, and it isn't because they think he is bad. Even the opinions that start with, "I know it was only one game, but..." what follows the but is usually a projection of a very good quarterback. The introductory phrase is just a hedging of bets.
It's not like he's out for the season. We have a reasonable schedule the first eight games. We can go 5-3 just by playing mistake-free football and allowing our defense to carry us. And then Arian Foster will return in the second half as we make a wild-card push. The only thing this Arian Foster injury does is hurt our chances to overtake the Colts in the AFC South but we'll see. Crazier things have happened.Except this year we don't have Arian.
We'll see how this turns out, but it seems like deja vu.
In retrospect it seems like Mallett and Savage never had a chance.We get to hope for Fitzmagic-like miracles from O'Brien...again.
It was Hoyer's job to lose the day we signed him.
I don't think so. I know it.Ya think Seattle fans wish Carrol had played the safe odds last year?
Really? Look through all the threads on Mallett the past few months. Many think he is the Texans answer at quarterback, and it isn't because they think he is bad. Even the opinions that start with, "I know it was only one game, but..." what follows the but is usually a projection of a very good quarterback. The introductory phrase is just a hedging of bets.
Also note I didn't say "franchise quarterback". I chose "very good" so I wouldn't overstate people's opinions of Mallett. I don't think it was a straw man at all, especially given the reaction to Hoyer being named the starter.
You're still over-reading it. It's not that he IS a very good QB or IS the answer at QB, it's that he MAY BE.
Maybe I interpret things differently than you by not assuming what they mean. Clearly, we have a failure to communicate. I anticipated that, which is why I asked you to respond with quotes. It's not that I want you to call anyone out; rather, I'd like to know what you're interpreting as a "very good QB" argument.
I think there are people on this board who believe Mallett is very good at this very moment. There are people on this board that think Savage is very good. No one else has noticed this?
So your "interpret" is better than my "assume".......?
I just looked back at the Ryan Mallett (Houston we have a Monster) thread. I may have misinterpreted "monster" meaning very good, not probably-adequate-but-give-the-guy-a-shot. I also assumed that those tossing around contract values for Mallett in the tens of millions of dollars also considered him a very good quarterback.
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However, I did not intend to build a straw man to knock down. I made the post based on my belief that there are some people that think Mallett is very good. I guess there is no one here that will admit that now though.
First Andre Johnson and his reduced role, and now Mallett and his "fair competition". It would seem O'Brien has his own way of dealing with the players. We will have to see how that plays out.
Really? Look through all the threads on Mallett the past few months. Many think he is the Texans answer at quarterback, and it isn't because they think he is bad. Even the opinions that start with, "I know it was only one game, but..." what follows the but is usually a projection of a very good quarterback. The introductory phrase is just a hedging of bets.
Also note I didn't say "franchise quarterback". I chose "very good" so I wouldn't overstate people's opinions of Mallett. I don't think it was a straw man at all, especially given the reaction to Hoyer being named the starter.
This season can go in a lot of ways. We win and Hoyer doesn't look incompetent doing it and I can (and will) get behind him. We lose and Hoyer looks like crap and I can rant and rave about getting Mallet in there. I feel like we're still going to get to see Mallet at some point this year and that's not a good feeling but so be it. The only way he's ever going to be the unquestioned starter on this team is if he gets on the field, succeeds, and stays on it. All he has to do is go out and do it. Win and all is right with the world. Winning solves everything (almost).
Something tells me that once you go into Cleveland you come out with Browns on you tainting your prospects going forward. It's like a fungus.
I think there is little doubt Mallett will get meaningful playing time this year. Hoyer might stink it up; he might get injured. Frankly I'm surprised any quarterback makes it through a season without missing games in the modern NFL. They are protected, but they are vulnerable even with legal hits being made by some great athletes.
If neither of those occur - Hoyer stays healthy and plays well - then I guess the quarterback guru knew what he was doing all along.
The only way he's ever going to be the unquestioned starter on this team is if he gets on the field, succeeds, and stays on it. All he has to do is go out and do it. Win and all is right with the world. Winning solves everything (almost).
You had me until this. Fitz started off 3-1 last year and the debate was in full on mode pretty much from the git.
Something tells me that once you go into Cleveland you come out with Browns on you tainting your prospects going forward. It's like a fungus.
Is there a way we can sticky this for future reference?Who do you want to date? The girl you know is totally cray-cray, or the one who might be?
I know there are a few posters around here who think that we have three good QB's to pick from and we can be successful right now with any of them. These people are idiots.
I think making risky moves every year means you most likely end up like Oakland or Washington. They would kill to be mediocre.
My definition of "succeed" is he wins playoff "games". Real success. I should have been clearer.
"stays on it" means doesn't get hurt and miss time. That's important too.
When reports surfaced during the 2014 season that O'Brien would bring in Hoyer as his starter in 2015, I scoffed. Had these people seen Hoyer play? O'Brien certainly had. He wouldn't be so foolish.
Then during the free agency period, the rumors intensified regarding Hoyer to the Texans. "Why?", I thought. What would Hoyer bring other than familiarity to the offense? Fitz had better career numbers and had started more NFL games in an O'Brien offense. I dismissed it as Hoyer's agent talking up the Texans to get his client a better deal.
When the Texans did sign Hoyer (and Mallett), I winced. But, it had to be insurance in case Mallett's injury was worse than expected. Right? When there were reports out of OTAs that Hoyer had already won the job, I laughed. No way would O'Brien tie this season to this guy. Simply motivation for Mallett.
I was wrong. And whoever had the story about O'Brien coveting Hoyer 9-10 months ago was right. Hoyer was always O'Brien's guy. O'Brien was always going to make Hoyer his starting QB once he got a head coaching gig in the NFL. Brian Hoyer is Bill O'Brien's answer to the question "Who will lead the Houston Texans to the playoffs?". Brian Hoyer is straight off Bill O'Brien's grocery list and Brian Hoyer's performance is how Bill O'Brien should be judged as the Houston Texans head coach.