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Jake the Snake Plummer
1997-98 Arizona QB rating=73.1 2203 total yds. 220.3 per game
1998-99 Arizona QB rating=75.0 3737 toatl yds. 233.6 per game
1999-00 Arizona QB rating=50.8 2111 total yds. 175.9 per game
2000-01 Arizona QB rating=66.0 2946 total yds. 210.4 per game
Notice the drop-off after year 2, then up & down but overall pretty much middle of the road = average. Still Jake Plummer, QB, Cardinals was ranked as the top free agent two years latter in 2003 "This is a league starved for starting quarterbacks. At 28, Plummer still has plenty of good years ahead of him. To see a player of this caliber at this position on the market is unbelievable."
Now in a different system @ Denver the Broncos are once again playoff conteneders largely in part because of the maturation of Plummer & the work of OC Gary Kubiak in developing his abilities.
2003-04 Denver QB rating=91.2 2182 total yards 198.4 per game
2004-05 Denver QB rating=84.5 4089 total yards 255.6 per game
2005-06 Denver QB rating=90.2 3366 total yards 210.4 per game
David Franchise Carr
2002-03 Houston QB rating=62.8 2592 total yards 162.0 per game
2003-04 Houston QB rating=69.5 2013 total yards 167.8 per game
2004-05 Houston QB rating=83.5 3531 total yards 220.7 per game
2005-06 Houston QB rating=77.2 2488 total yards 155.5 per game
David Carr's career (60 games) QB rating=73.7
Jake Plummers career (127 games) QB rating=75.1
Jake Plummers career (pre-Kubiak) QB rating=66.22
this is only in theory of course but since coming to Denver & working in the Bronco (Kubiak) system his QB rating has risen 8.875 points. If you apply those same numbers to Carr his passer rating increases (Post Palmer) to a respectable QB rating of 82.58. comparing post to post Plumer with Kubiak only is even higher QB rating of 88.63 (this season Plummer has a 90.2 rating).
It would seem to me that Jake Plummer is an excellent comp to David Carr and shows what kind of improvement we are apt to see once Kubiak comes on board & begins working with David. I've followed Jake since his days at Arizona State & always thought he could be a decent NFL QB. I did not follow David at Fresno but he seems a little bigger & stronger in every department compared to Jake, yet if he follows the same path we should expect similar if not superior results in the right system with better coaching.
When the Patriot Bronco game starts tonight I'll be watching closely to the playcalling, Plummers reads and his reaction to pocket pressure. If you can just imagine, for one game, that could be David Carr in the Texans new system next year would that be acceptable or something we could all live with?
Obviously alot of us have some pretty strong feelings on this subject, but what if we added a top tier tackle, pass rushing specialist & middle linebacker in a better scheme with improved position coaching would that be enough to satisfy Texans fans in that rumored 5 year plan we where all led to believe?
1997-98 Arizona QB rating=73.1 2203 total yds. 220.3 per game
1998-99 Arizona QB rating=75.0 3737 toatl yds. 233.6 per game
1999-00 Arizona QB rating=50.8 2111 total yds. 175.9 per game
2000-01 Arizona QB rating=66.0 2946 total yds. 210.4 per game
Notice the drop-off after year 2, then up & down but overall pretty much middle of the road = average. Still Jake Plummer, QB, Cardinals was ranked as the top free agent two years latter in 2003 "This is a league starved for starting quarterbacks. At 28, Plummer still has plenty of good years ahead of him. To see a player of this caliber at this position on the market is unbelievable."
Now in a different system @ Denver the Broncos are once again playoff conteneders largely in part because of the maturation of Plummer & the work of OC Gary Kubiak in developing his abilities.
2003-04 Denver QB rating=91.2 2182 total yards 198.4 per game
2004-05 Denver QB rating=84.5 4089 total yards 255.6 per game
2005-06 Denver QB rating=90.2 3366 total yards 210.4 per game
David Franchise Carr
2002-03 Houston QB rating=62.8 2592 total yards 162.0 per game
2003-04 Houston QB rating=69.5 2013 total yards 167.8 per game
2004-05 Houston QB rating=83.5 3531 total yards 220.7 per game
2005-06 Houston QB rating=77.2 2488 total yards 155.5 per game
David Carr's career (60 games) QB rating=73.7
Jake Plummers career (127 games) QB rating=75.1
Jake Plummers career (pre-Kubiak) QB rating=66.22
this is only in theory of course but since coming to Denver & working in the Bronco (Kubiak) system his QB rating has risen 8.875 points. If you apply those same numbers to Carr his passer rating increases (Post Palmer) to a respectable QB rating of 82.58. comparing post to post Plumer with Kubiak only is even higher QB rating of 88.63 (this season Plummer has a 90.2 rating).
It would seem to me that Jake Plummer is an excellent comp to David Carr and shows what kind of improvement we are apt to see once Kubiak comes on board & begins working with David. I've followed Jake since his days at Arizona State & always thought he could be a decent NFL QB. I did not follow David at Fresno but he seems a little bigger & stronger in every department compared to Jake, yet if he follows the same path we should expect similar if not superior results in the right system with better coaching.
When the Patriot Bronco game starts tonight I'll be watching closely to the playcalling, Plummers reads and his reaction to pocket pressure. If you can just imagine, for one game, that could be David Carr in the Texans new system next year would that be acceptable or something we could all live with?
Obviously alot of us have some pretty strong feelings on this subject, but what if we added a top tier tackle, pass rushing specialist & middle linebacker in a better scheme with improved position coaching would that be enough to satisfy Texans fans in that rumored 5 year plan we where all led to believe?