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Koolbrz said:I'm 2001
texanfan2002114 said:All I'm trying to say if the NFL has it on their site it would be safe to say the deal is done.
TexanBacker93 said:I don't think teams draft someone in the 5th, 6th, or 7th rounds with the thoughts that in a few years we can get a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick out of the guy when he signs with another team. I think the successful teams find talent in those rounds that they keep and help them win. Broncos with Davis, Patriots with Brady.
hollywood_texan said:My point is, I want to be one of those teams that has the luxury to wait for when a good deal presents itself.
Señor Stan said:You basically have to lose more quality free agents than you sign. NOT a good way to acquire picks IMO.
TexanBacker93 said:Well, Pittsburgh rarely signs FA and they usually let theirs go. They get extra picks and make very good use of them. Cowher has had 11 winning seasons out of 14 with Pittsburgh. He's been in the playoffs 10 times and won a Super Bowl. If you do a great job scouting and drafting you don't need to bring in high priced free agents.
Koolbrz said:6th rd pick is even better!!!
Hoth-Boy said:Whoa, whoa whao!
Are you saying that CH 13 is saying that it's a 6th and not even a 5th?
SAMURAITEXAN said:Is it official now? I do not have channel 13 here in Tokyo.
Please confirm!
Are you saying that this isn't butter?Hoth-Boy said:Whoa, whoa whao!
Are you saying that CH 13 is saying that it's a 6th and not even a 5th?
Carr Bomb said:Umm....The only way to become "ONE OF THOSE TEAMS", is to make deals just like the one we made, because if you don't, you will constantly be mediocre and you will lose quality players to "ONE OF THOSE TEAMS" year in and year out.
The eagles and the Pats have the luxury of holding out for players, because they know quality players will hold out for them. If your the worst team in the league and you have the opportunity to acquire a extremely acomplished player for just a 5th pick, you jump on it and don't look back.
Also you keep saying we overpaid market price, my question is what exactly do you think is the "market price" on Eric Moulds.
Carr Bomb said:Cowher is able to do that, because basically his system has been in place for well over THIRTY YEARS. Steeler football hasn't changed in over 3 decades. If the Steelers were to hire a new coach with a new system to implement (like us) there would be a complete overhaul of the roster (like us).
Once we get Kubiak's system established and he has the players to run his system, we'll be able to draft to fill holes. Right now we're setting the foundation.
texan279 said:Sirius radio reported earlier we traded our 5th round pick for Moulds...
SAMURAITEXAN said:Thanks for info Koolbrz!!
Moulds for a 5th or 6th?
Giff Nielson on KHOU reported it was a 5th.Koolbrz said:Sure am Bob Allen said it is more than likely buffalo will be getting a 6th not a 5th. Great news!!!
TEXANS84 said:Giff Nielson on KHOU reported it was a 5th.
TEXANS84 said:Giff Nielson on KHOU reported it was a 5th.
kiwitexansfan said:Who is Bob Allen???
I am in New Zealand so don't really know media types....
Carr Bomb said:I've been out of Houston for about 2 years, but if thats the CBS guy I'll take his opinion over Bob.
Moulds said he met with Texans receiver Andre Johnson, and he believes he can both complement and tutor the emerging star. He's also excited about the possibility of Houston bolstering its offense by selecting USC running back and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick in this month's draft.
"I would tell them to get their tickets ready. You are going to see a show," Moulds said, when asked what message he had for Texans fans. "It's not going to be the same Texans you've seen before. It's going to be an exciting time."
keyfro said:everyone is saying it was for a 5th round pick...6th round pick would be a little silly
Koolbrz said:Let me see...Bob has been around for a very long time. I would take his word over any of the other guys. He is pretty accurate.
Carr Bomb said:Whoa, I might have gotten the wrong dude, whos the guy with the grey hair, I can't remember all their names, so just start namming them off. Come to think off it I think the guy I'm talking about has the last name of Nelso or something
dunta23 said:is reggie pretty much a lock for are pick?
cause i got this friend in cali and he said the texans arent gonna draft him, and i think he's an idiot for thinkin that
Hulk75 said:Not being mean but he probably is.JK
Me, I would say lock, there really is no trade I would even consider. Unless it was just stupid good, but nothing average.
My gut tells me that Kubiak likes him a whole lot. But that is just my opinion
hollywood_texan said:It is just we paid a little above market, which is totally cool.
TEXANS84 said:
infantrycak said:Part of the problem is you have an arbitrary fictional definition of market. The purchase price for anything is almost always (always where economics rather than outside influences dictate) the highest offer. That is not the same thing as saying every buyer pays above market. Your argument just doesn't fly as a definition of market value to say well someone was willing to pay less so that must have been market and the Texans paid over market.
On your main point (I think) about mature/good teams getting picks for their players IMO you are correct. Cinncy got a pick for Walter because their depth was great and they showed him enough to impress people at least to a 7th--guaranteed he would be a Bengel right now if he had received a mid level tender. Ragone & Peek this year and Gaffney last year might have received some compensation if the Texans had done a better job coaching/showcasing them. Gaff's numbers weren't astronomically different than Givens and yet Givens is trying to figure out how to carry all his new bling and Gaff is on a one year contract with no signing bonus. Maybe if the Texans had worked on his routes more, run plays designed with him as the 1st read more, etc. teams would have had more interest. Maybe if Ragone had come in when games were out of control someone would be offering up a 3rd for him, etc. We let a 31 year old DB walk with no compensation because he asked to be released 2 days earlier vs. shopping Moulds for something. Not shocking the Texans haven't done the best job on their own behalf previously--doesn't mean they overpaid on Moulds.
hollywood_texan said:My point is Buffalo is getting a free pick because is seems clear no one else is willing to part with a draft pick for Moulds.
infantrycak said:How does that seem clear other than to make the point? There were several reports about the Texans offering a 5th and the Eagles offering a 6th. That is simple bidding. Do you have any source affirmatively stating no other team was willing to offer any pick for Moulds?
Plus you are still missing the point on market value. No you do not have to overpay to get a deal done. When you get the deal done it sets the market value or becomes part of the market value equation. There isn't some neon sign out displaying a "market value" for Moulds which the Texans just chose to ignore.
done88 said:Texans Secure Deal with Eric Moulds
The Houston Texans were successful in making a deal that is satisfactory to both Eric Moulds and his former team, the Buffalo Bills. It was speculated last week that the Texans were very close to making a deal with Moulds, but still had work to do with the Bills. In return for Moulds, the Texans are giving Buffalo the first pick in the fifth round in the upcoming draft (134th pick overall).
Moulds (6-2, 210) was given a 4 year contract worth $14 million dollars, plus a $5 million dollar signing bonus.
During his 10 years with the Buffalo Bills, Moulds has marked over 9,000 yards and 48 touchdowns. He will be a veteran the Texans will look at to help teach and mold the teams young receivers.
http://texans.scout.com/2/516831.html