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Mario or Reggie

AlbinoRat

AlbinoRat

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Before you freak out, I have to do a current event paper from 2006, and I chose the Texans passing on reggie as my topic, because i can. I'm supposed to show both sides of the arguement and i figured who would know better than us.

Simply tell me if you think it was the right pick and if you feel like it, why.
Thanks for the help.
 
Yes, it was.

Why: Because we didn't take Reggie. So, we will only ever know what Mario will do for this team.
 
I mean more along the lines of, did it fill the big need. Without a doubt, Bush is the greatest player in College in the past decade, but was it the right thing to do, getting help on the defensive line and trying to help a weak defense? Things like that.
 
I do think it was the right choice.

here are a few points you can write about when referencing mario.

-Mario is a phenominal athlete: 6' 7", 295 lbs, ran a 4.7, 10' broad jump, 40.5" vertical jump, 35 reps on the 225lb bench....simply amazing.

-one reason why people are so up in arms over the pick is because they simply don't know who he is, simple as that...oh and that he's a defensive player...offense players always get more hype. He played at NC ST. not UT or USC.

-Rated as the #1 defensive Player in the entire draft. while most teams had RB rated #1 overall, it has been rumored that 9 teams in the NFL had Mario Williams as #1 on their board. Parcells from Dallas has talked about this.

-Houston had David Carr QB #1 overall pick in the 2002 draft. gave him a 3 year extension and an $8 million signing bonus.

-New head coack Gary kubiak and asst. coach Mike sherman were brought in to change the team...they are implementing new schemes, esp the offensive line w/ a new ZBS that the old regime "touched" on. in this scheme you need a RB that can be patient, wait for the hole to open in the line, take 1 cut and take it to the next level. Reggie Bush is not that kind of runner but excels at making plays when he's in the open field. the staff imo felt they didn't need to spend the #1 overall on that type of back but have others that can fit the scheme for cheaper.

-The defense on the Texans was worse than the offense which people overlook. The overall D was ranked either 31 or 32 in defense in the entire league. Dunta Robinson was the only player worth anything. Texans had a bad Dline and never put consistent pressure on the opposing QB. something we're still working on but it takes time when rebuilding a team.

Mario was a good long term decision. He isn't the sack specialist people want in a DE, but he's better than alot and Superb against the run...yadda yadda.

there's some that may or may not help you out. i think the VY and RB arguments would be pretty easy to make. so i won't talk about that.
 
AlbinoRat said:
Before you freak out, I have to do a current event paper from 2006, and I chose the Texans passing on reggie as my topic, because i can. I'm supposed to show both sides of the arguement and i figured who would know better than us.

Simply tell me if you think it was the right pick and if you feel like it, why.
Thanks for the help.
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I believe it was the right move. Mario is going to be a freak for us at DE, whereas Reggie would be in a crowded backfield with Danye, Green, Taylor and Lundy. I still think we need another DE, but I believe we're set at runningback. :poker:
 
AlbinoRat said:
Before you freak out, I have to do a current event paper from 2006, and I chose the Texans passing on reggie as my topic, because i can. I'm supposed to show both sides of the arguement and i figured who would know better than us.

Simply tell me if you think it was the right pick and if you feel like it, why.
Thanks for the help.
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Why would you not choose the Texans passing on Vince? It would be much easier to write.
 
You need to at least mention the fact it is way too early to determine if it was the correct pick or not. No one will really have a good idea for a few years if not more.
 
EZ_Goin said:
You need to at least mention the fact it is way too early to determine if it was the correct pick or not. No one will really have a good idea for a few years if not more.
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That's a good point. You probably want to think of it as last year...we didn't know what was going to happen even during the 2006 season. just where our team was at april 28, 2006.

also think of this as a long term question. i believe the FO though mario was a good long term answer...that he could probably play longer and contribute more long term...at just as high a level if not more than any other player.
 
AlbinoRat said:
I mean more along the lines of, did it fill the big need. Without a doubt, Bush is the greatest player in College in the past decade, but was it the right thing to do, getting help on the defensive line and trying to help a weak defense? Things like that.
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How can you be the greatest player if you're taken off the field in a cruicial situation?
 
in my opinion it was the correct pick.. because why pay a 'decoy' top notch money??... and mario is a super freak. If reggie loses a step, what will he amount to??.. not very much in my eyes.
 
It was the right move because:
- Reggie's a jack of all trades. Good at everything, but not great at anything in the NFL. As a pro back you need to be able to pound it between the tackles and wear teams down, and I doubt with his frame and playing style that his body will be able to handle that abuse as the primary back for an entire season. Last season he showed that he could run between the tackles, but not very well, and the majority of his big plays came when he relieved Deuce and bounced it outside. When Deuce is gone, he won't have the luxury of doing that as often. Why use the most valuable pick in the whole draft on a player who is best used in a situational manner? You're not maximizing the value of the pick if the player doesn't have a constant impact.

- Mario can be the anchor for our entire D. He can stop the run, he can rush the passer, and he can make those around him better. Teams will have to account for him on every down.

- On the topic of maximizing the value of the pick again, what's the NFL average career length for a RB? Like 5 years? DE's play longer careers. We're getting better value from the choice if we get more years out of the player.

- Like said above, Reggie wasn't in the Nat'l Championship game in the most important play, at his coaches discretion. If Reggie's the most valuable player in the draft class, why isn't he good enough for the coach to atleast want him on the field during the most important play of that years college football season?
 
Yes and I dont feel like it...really its just because I cant change what happened and I dont hold grudges like a woman.

**Don't forget to reference me.
 
JCTexan said:
I believe it was the right move. Mario is going to be a freak for us at DE, whereas Reggie would be in a crowded backfield with Danye, Green, Taylor and Lundy. I still think we need another DE, but I believe we're set at runningback. :poker:
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I'm not going to sit here and tell you guys the pick was wrong, because obviously my opinion would be seen as biased. However, if you are going to argue that Mario was the correct pick (which he may very well prove to be), please don't use the "crowded backfield" excuse.
 
Short term: Reggie Bush would have been a perfect target for Carr's specialty of dump passes. Although, Mario did have a key forced fumble against the Colts that helped us keep the momentum to win the game.

Long term: who knows...but Mario has the potential to be a great threat on the defensive line, and that's as valuable as R.Bush in the backfield.

It is too early to make the call, but a case can be made either way at this point.
 
I STILL like Mario! Now we just need someone GOOD to play on the other side, & a tough DT to play alongside Mario. Also it would be nice that's he's healthy this coming season. I wonder how he's doing with his plantar faciatis, & if it has healed by rest? :elmo:
 
AlbinoRat said:
Before you freak out, I have to do a current event paper from 2006, and I chose the Texans passing on reggie as my topic, because i can. I'm supposed to show both sides of the arguement and i figured who would know better than us.

Simply tell me if you think it was the right pick and if you feel like it, why.
Thanks for the help.
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There are already hundred's of threads with thousand's of post about this very subject--too, most folks are tired of hearing about 'old' news, so you'd probably get better info from the older post....
 
Mario was the right pick (in my mind) I wished we could have traded down but that wasn't happening ..N.O. was rumored to take him if we didn't (and took VY and or RB)

At the time ...we knew VY wasn't coming esp with Carr's extention

RB could have still been picked but we banked on DD being back healthy and extended his contract too (if I am not mistaken)

could we have used his help ? I can't deny that but what else did we need?

defensively we needed help on the line badly

Walker got cut, payne was coming off an injury (if I am not mistaken), we did sign Weaver ..we had Robaire Smith but everyone else wasn't too impressive (I am still waiting on TJ to make an impact).. We needed help in that department..

now with that said. DD is solid but not spectacular, but if he came back healthy, he could have been a 1000 yard rusher.. and in this day and age that isn't saying much (1300 I believe is the benchmark) but with what we had, I am not sure Bush would have been that much of an upgrade running the ball, now with Carr's consistant passes to the flat.. who knows what Bush could have done with that.
 
JCTexan said:
I believe it was the right move. Mario is going to be a freak for us at DE, whereas Reggie would be in a crowded backfield with Danye, Green, Taylor and Lundy. I still think we need another DE, but I believe we're set at runningback. :poker:
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Crowded backfield!!?!??!

That's like saying Peyton Manning cant come here cause now we got too many QBs, Rosenfels and Schaub.
 
jlam said:
I'm not going to sit here and tell you guys the pick was wrong, because obviously my opinion would be seen as biased. However, if you are going to argue that Mario was the correct pick (which he may very well prove to be), please don't use the "crowded backfield" excuse.
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I agree with that. If Reggie were here, Green & Lundy wouldn't be.

I will also agree that Reggie would have been a big help for our offense, and allow us to "hide" other problems for a little while longer.

But with the #1 overall, I don't want to pick a complimentary player. I want the Franchise QB, RB, DE, LT, WR, or even CB. I want the guy. a Marshall Faulk(who wasn't the #1 overall), a Brian Westbrook(who wasn't the #1 overall) a Ricky Williams(who wasn't the #1 overall) an LT(who wasn't the #1 overall).

Then throw in with that the expectation that we'll be getting Kubiak's running system.....
 
Reggie was a no brainer but people don't want to accept it. If we would have chose reggie, than all these people who are saying that Mario was the right choice would then be saying that Reggie was the right choice. Most people just don't want to accept that the Texans made a mistake.

Mario was a combine megafreak. He did all the combine stuff better than anyone could imagine for his size. That is where his stock really shot up. He was a good college player but his stock really rose after the college season was over. Hopefully, his freakish talents will translate onto the NFL. I think it eventually will but as of right now, he hasn't done much. And Reggie didn't have a spectacular rookie season but he did have alot of receptions and his team did reach the NFC championship.
 
AlbinoRat said:
I mean more along the lines of, did it fill the big need. Without a doubt, Bush is the greatest player in College in the past decade, but was it the right thing to do, getting help on the defensive line and trying to help a weak defense? Things like that.
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They're saying the same thing about Peterson this year. Heard them talking about it yesterday on 610 or 790 (can't remember which). It seems like every year some RB or QB coming out is "the greatest player of the decade."

I think Bush had a good overall year for NO, but I don't think he would of had the same success if he would have come here. I just don't think he was the kind of RB that Kubiak is looking for. He is not a "one cut and run" type of back that will follow his blockers "looking for the hole." His value is more as a receiver out of the backfield. Could we have used that this past year? Probably, but I don't think he would have done as well as he did in NO.

As for Mario, I'm very glad we got him. If you think about Kubiak's drafting last year, getting Mario and DeMeco in the first 2 rounds, and look at the results, you can see he did the right thing. Improved by 4 wins. Beat Indy for the 1st time in franchise history. The defense improved alot over the 2nd half of the season, despite numerous injuries.

I just think Kubes and Smith have us on the right track, and I think you'll see even more improvement in Mario and the defense as a whole this coming season. JMHO!
 
Mario was the right choice. Do you think maybe Mario keeping the OL off Ryans helped him be so effective. The defense was the 10th rated defense during the last 13 games. Mario's presence helped achieve this. The defense is only going to get better
 
Assuming neither has their career ended early by injuries it was the right pick. Championship teams generally have a stud defensive end. The average running back lasts 3-5 years in the NFL. A DE can last 10.

In five years Reggie will be dinged up and having problems like all running backs. Mario will be hitting his stride.

Nothing against Reggie, but running backs just have shorter life spans in the NFL.
 
I've actually talked to a lot of people here when i told them i was a texans fan. First thing out ofthier mouths is you should've chosen Reggie. I smile ,shrug and say DE's last longer and the position has a larger curve then RB.

Most admit further down the road the pick is going to look better and better, but today it looks bad. I think a full healhy year next year with some line help and a better handle on the speed of the game. He's really going to do good things. I wonder whatever happened about Bruce Smith's offer to come down and tutor Mario.....

Oh yeah and Reggie also took some really nasty hits. I'm glad NO got him though. The city needed something to be excited about after everything. At least for this point of his career he landed in an ideal position for him.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
-Mario is a phenominal athlete: 6' 7", 295 lbs, ran a 4.7, 10' broad jump, 40.5" vertical jump, 35 reps on the 225lb bench....simply amazing.
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He should do his paper over talent vs. potential.

There are 2 ways to get the attention of the scouts: be talented or be a physical specimen.

Mario didn't grab their attention with his perfomance on the field. He did it by being big and fast (for his size). His talent is unimpressive. He's a project that may or may not work.

Reggie Bush and Demeco Ryans grabbed their attention with their performance on the field. Neither one of these guys have impressive size. They got everyone's attention by just being flat-out talented.

I'll take talent over potential any day. Talent is underrated. Coaches are arrogant by nature. They think they can turn anyone into a talented player. It's simply not true.
 
Reggie had an OK year.
Colston, Brees, Duece, Saint's Defense had a GREAT year.

The Saints had a GREAT year.

Lets not forget at about Week 10...Reggie Bush was statistically the WORST running back in all of the NFL. Don't hear too much about that because his team experienced success.

Reggie is a good back and was a solid pick but has done NOTHING to show he was worthing of the #1 overall pick. Now VY is another story, but at the time he made no sense to pick up.
 
Erratic Assassin said:
He should do his paper over talent vs. potential.

There are 2 ways to get the attention of the scouts: be talented or be a physical specimen.

Mario didn't grab their attention with his perfomance on the field. He did it by being big and fast (for his size). His talent is unimpressive. He's a project that may or may not work.

Reggie Bush and Demeco Ryans grabbed their attention with their performance on the field. Neither one of these guys have impressive size. They got everyone's attention by just being flat-out talented.

I'll take talent over potential any day. Talent is underrated. Coaches are arrogant by nature. They think they can turn anyone into a talented player. It's simply not true.
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What, exactly, did RB do last season to make him a "once in a decade" player? Return some punts? Catch some balls out of the backfield? He had a decent rookie season, but FAR from what was predicted. He proved to be exactly what he was shown to be in college. A change of pace back that could make plays in the open field, but couldn't be counted on to carry the load. If you don't believe that, ask Lendale White. Or Duece McAllister. Mario Williams showed incomparable heart and determination last year, playing through an injury that is cripplingly painful. He also showed his talent on some amazing plays where he chased down players from behind, made tackles behind the LOS and pressured/acked the QB. IMHO, Bush has peaked and Mario is just starting to rise to the top.
 
blockhead83 said:
If Reggie's the most valuable player in the draft class, why isn't he good enough for the coach to atleast want him on the field during the most important play of that years college football season
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Because all Reggie does is make a few big plays, he's not true RB. Let's face it he will always need big guys like Lendale or duece to do all the heavy lifting,and that's the type you want when its crunch time because you mainly only pass when your behind and need to get up the field fast.
 
For all of you who are still trying to talk yourselves into believing the pick wasn't a phenominal blunder, I ask you this:

Why is the entire league (and Titans & Saints in particular...) still laughing hysterically at us?????? Any idea?
 
OldEagle1 said:
For all of you who are still trying to talk yourselves into believing the pick wasn't a phenominal blunder, I ask you this:

Why is the entire league (and Titans & Saints in particular...) still laughing hysterically at us?????? Any idea?
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Because ESPN's "experts" are telling them to.

Do you really think that we would have been a significantly better team offensively with Bush as our running back? Half the time he was stopped for negative yardage.
 
OldEagle1 said:
For all of you who are still trying to talk yourselves into believing the pick wasn't a phenominal blunder, I ask you this:

Why is the entire league (and Titans & Saints in particular...) still laughing hysterically at us?????? Any idea?
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Who exactly is laughing hysiterically? Most coaches in the NFL had mario as either #1 overall, or #2 overall. Vince wasn't really in the picture for #1 overall. Also, if the texans signed brees last year do you think that things would be a little different? The decided to keep carr so why the hell would they draft another qb, at the time they thought carr was the man. Look at the saints defense and titans defense, highly underrated and overall solid. Then look at the texans 2005 defense which was last in the league. The only qb who can win with that is peyton or jesus, which we couldn't get either one. So to answer your question, i don't see titans or saints laughing at us, only woody paige and the other clueless sportscastors who every year say that the latest running back or qb is the best of the century.
 
OldEagle1 said:
For all of you who are still trying to talk yourselves into believing the pick wasn't a phenominal blunder, I ask you this:

Why is the entire league (and Titans & Saints in particular...) still laughing hysterically at us?????? Any idea?
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Well, for starters, because the rest of the league is clueless about Mario's injury last year. On top of that, they hype up RB and ignore the fact that his team makes him look even much better than he is.

Vince Young is who we should've taken, but almost nobody had him at #1. At least 8 or 9 teams had Mario at #1.

PS-what the rest of the league should be laughing at is: "Hey, you guys are almost as dumb as the rest of us."
 
The best three players to come out of that draft, not counting the so-far-unproven Mario, are Vince Young, Marquees Colston, and Demeco Ryans, and we still managed to get one of 'em--of not two. We also got Owen Daniels.
 
uteric3232 said:
so is this considered cheating??? :)
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Not at all, I went to the main source, and am able to explain both sides of the arguement, based on what the fans say...not the so called experts. Plus...If it is, I've already graduated, I just had to have fill classes like this one and team sports so that I could finish my wrestling career.
 
Another interesting thing is that the best player to come out of that draft is probably going to be VY. Who is the only group of people in the country to think he would be that good? (besides the Austin faithful of course) answer: THE HOUSTON HOME TOWN FOOTBALL FANS

That's who knew what they were talking about. The rest of the country hyping Reggie Bush was full of it. Not that he isn't good--he just isn't #1 material.
 
Carr had his contract in place for a lot of bucks and the faith of the FO, no way were they going to pick up Young.
DD/DW looked probable to be the starting RB.
The D-Line just wasn't getting it done the year before.

The projected talent level among VY, Reggie, and Mario was fairly close.
So, do you fill the biggest hole, or take Reggie who's running style is not the preferred one of the coaching staff?

Would of made a nice bumper sticker though if DD/DW was healthy...
On paper my other running back is a potential pro-bowler too!
 
AlbinoRat said:
Before you freak out, I have to do a current event paper from 2006, and I chose the Texans passing on reggie as my topic, because i can. I'm supposed to show both sides of the arguement and i figured who would know better than us.

Simply tell me if you think it was the right pick and if you feel like it, why.
Thanks for the help.
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You'd be better off writing about the Texans passing on VY.. Bush is a WR in RB pads..
 
I've said this before. Mario would have been a great bottom first round or second round pick, but as the #1 overall pick in the draft....he was a mistake.
 
AlbinoRat said:
I mean more along the lines of, did it fill the big need. Without a doubt, Bush is the greatest player in College in the past decade, but was it the right thing to do, getting help on the defensive line and trying to help a weak defense? Things like that.
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so you have been following college football since you are 7, and to you in your vast experience know Reggie Bush is greatest player of last decade. Dang that leaves out Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and a host of others:wheel:
 
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