Cjeremy635
Overtraining
Watching the Ravens vs Bengals & JJ looks like a good receiver for them so far. Hopefully he figured it out & will have a good career there.
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Jacoby Jones is looking good....
- Thread starter Cjeremy635
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Blame that on Kubiak, not the kid. The draft pick part, he had the growin up thing done the last two years he was here.
BullBlitz
Section 331
Yes, hope he does well. Same for Pollard and Leach, two of my favorite former Texans.
It's weird seeing three Texans contributing so much on another team. Hopefully we lost them because we have better players.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
I think we have better options than JJ, Mario, & Pollard (although I loved Pollard's attitude), but I don't think we upgraded from Vonta or Ryans.
But, no use crying over $hit you have no control over. It is what it is and the free agency era makes it very hard to hold onto multiple playmakers for any extended period.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Jacoby will stink.
I work with a girl that grew up with Jacoby and still talks to him a little here and there when she runs into him in the club. She tells me that Jacoby was always a complete knucklehead growing up. Said that he always did what he wanted and could care less about being a responsible type of guy. This girl is a straight shooter as well. She also said that Jacoby has always been a big time smoker. Said that he would never get off of that stuff. Not that pot is all that bad, but for a guy that plays in the NFL, it's not the best thing to hear when you're talking about a guy like Jacoby. I don't recall him ever failing a drug test though.
I work with a girl that grew up with Jacoby and still talks to him a little here and there when she runs into him in the club. She tells me that Jacoby was always a complete knucklehead growing up. Said that he always did what he wanted and could care less about being a responsible type of guy. This girl is a straight shooter as well. She also said that Jacoby has always been a big time smoker. Said that he would never get off of that stuff. Not that pot is all that bad, but for a guy that plays in the NFL, it's not the best thing to hear when you're talking about a guy like Jacoby. I don't recall him ever failing a drug test though.
potisyourfriend
Rookie
LOL, he does good for half a game and people are already trying to kiss his ass. Screw JJ and the horse he rode off on. I'm glad that worthless receiver is out of here. I hated when he was returning kicks too. Texans management finally woke up and got rid of him.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
If she grew up with Mario, how does she know about JJ? Did she grow up with both, was that hearsay from Mario, or was that a typo & you meant to say that she grew up with JJ?
I genuinely hope he got his act together. From a human standpoint, you hate to see someone fail or sabotage themselves.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Sorry, but I was just hitting up a thread about Mario. Lol! Typo! :vincepalm:
I meant to say JJ. It had nothing to do with Mario man.
She had talked about how she saw him in the club out here recently and what a nut he still was. That was a few months ago though. We all know that JJ has a lot of talent, but the gy is just wet between the ears. He is your typical cat that likes to get ****ed up and party, and play football as well, but I don't see him ever taking his job seriously like he needs to. Plus, he is already past that age where most WR's break out. Sure it happens here and there after 5 years or so with certain guys, but it's pretty rare. I think JJ will be a journeyman at this point.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
Gotcha, that's what I figured.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Too bad he was here first.
Dang, for his sake I hope he doesn't consider her a friend.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
This year game one - 3 catches 46 yards
Last year game one - 3 catches 43 yards
Jacoby is what I refer to as tantalizing mediocrity. In fact, I believe there was even a thread started during or after game one last year called "Jacoby Just Shut the Haters Up", although in all fairness, I think that was due to a punt return TD, not a 3 reception game.
I don't wish Jacoby ill - quite the opposite, but in most cases, after five years, you are what you are, and what I think Jacoby is is a borderline starting NFL WR.
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I dont wish him ill either .....Until we meet in the playoffs , then I think he owes me a TD ..... going the wrong way for his squad just to make up for the stupidity he pulled in that playoff game - Dont think many of us will forget that epic moment of idiocy.
Jacoby , you owe me.
Not crying, just acknowledging that the vote is still out on our F.O. (for me anyway). Speaking of the three Ravens, former Texans, in particular, none of them were salary cap casualties. We might have saved some money cutting Jacoby, but I don't think that was the main reason we let him go.
LeStar Jean & KMart... are they better than Jacoby? Only time will tell. We may "feel" better with those options, but only time will tell. Another thing, last time we played Baltimore, our pass defense performed pretty well by putting Jjo on the speedy Torrey Smith & Kj on the more physical Anquan Boden. What are when they've got Jjones on the field with Smith?
McCain?? He's giving up a lot of height to Jacoby. I understand that it's plus 1 for us if the Ravens are featuring Jacoby Jones in their game plan against us. Just something to think about.
Glover Quin, is he better than Pollard? I think it's a wash. Quin is better in coverage, but Pollard is a MoFo in the box, he's more aggresive than Quin, but Quin doesn't get stupid penalties that puts us in bad positions.
Vonta Leach, yeah, we blamed it on the cap, but I think we just didn't want to spend that money on a FB. I don't blame them, & I don't think we missed him as much as people like to make out. Casey isn't as good a blocker, neither was Vickers & I doubt Clutts will be either. But the run game hasn't missed a beat. Our issue Sunday went way beyond the FB position.
Letting players go, who turn out to be productive on other teams, is ok as long as you have productive players to take their place.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Meh, he's Jacoby Jones.
He'll look great right up until he does something boneheaded. That's just who he is.
He'll look great right up until he does something boneheaded. That's just who he is.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Unless he's on strike from the league! I went there!
Yeh, Jacoby is a likeable guy but he was never going to develop into something we could rely on. We spent 5 years trying to develop this guy into a second string #1 receiver behind AJ, something which he had all the physical tools to do, and when the time came to call on him last season, he went missing. Again and again I've said it isn't about the muffed punt, its about we had AJ out, and we'd invested 5 years in a guy to come in and make a contribution if that happened, and Jacoby disappeared in the passing game.
I can't help thinking thats partly due to asking him to carry on as a returner when he'd clearly lost what he had at that position, and we had young guys who could have done that job instead, where maybe we should have just got him to focus on the WR position.
Jacoby could (but won't) make the ProBowl this year, I wouldn't feel upset that we let him go, he wasn't going to do it in this setting, and when you look at the young guys we're grooming in his place right now, there's a whole lot of upside, Jean made a hell of a catch in the endzone, shame he coughed it up on the ground or else people would be reviewing the last game in a whole different way, Posey and Martin both flashed their potential in pre-season and there's always Walter there doing the right things in the system so why worry about it?
BTW, a lot of guys wanted Zeitler drafted by the Texans and I saw him getting ruined on the few plays I managed to watch in that game.
Vinnie
with an I E
This sums it up nicely for me. I don't have any ill will against him, but he'd better return to form when we meet them in a few games and again, dare I say, in the playoffs!
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I believe letting Jacoby go was a strategic move to get a mole inside the Ravens organization. When the AFC Championship rolls around, he will make a big mistake in our favor and help us win the game! The plan is perfect, it cannot fail!
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Ha! I see what you did there.
Joeycharp89
Waterboy
I can honestly see him doing better in Baltimore than in Houston, but that will be more due to the no-huddle offense spreading the ball around. What he does with that opportunity will be boom or bust for the Ravens. He could show his potential to get yards after the catch, or he could drop numerous passes run lousy routes and get the ball intercepted. It will be interesting to watch, and I love watching the Ravens play anyhow.
His high school head coach said basically the same thing in a radio interview. He said JJ was very immature and could never keep his focus on the important things. JJ likes to party and get all the attention that being a pro athlete brings, but lacks the worth ethic to live up to his god-given potential.
It's only a matter of time before the real JJ stands up.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
3 catches for 46 yards and he's being called a Pro Bowler?
Interesting to say the least.
Kevin Walter puts up those numbers. Why can't he go to the Pro Bowl?
That was the second time he abused Nnamdi Asomugha....
Actually the third..... Nnamdi was called for a hold in the end zone that should have been a pass interference and had Baltimore at the 1 yard line. I don't know why Nnamdi was struggling so much with Jacoby yesterday. They actually had him following JJ all over the field.
I think it's because Jacoby runs better routes than many give him credit for. I used to watch him from the stands (because of what people were saying here), I don't know if anyone can cover him. He's fast & quick, very athletic & able to change directions on a dime. I honestly don't think anyone can cover him one on one.
Just can't catch. Which is odd, he worked with the QBs before the game & at times on the sideline during the game. Must be a mental thing.
Having been to practices over the years I can say he can definitely be covered. In one on one drills he would be locked down on many occasions. He has athleticism though, and maybe the light is coming on for him. They've also had Webb returning punts too so maybe its allowed him to focus on the receiver position more.
I wonder if his weaknesses will be masked somewhat in Baltimore where they dont run a very complex offense. They pound the rock and their recievers run a lot of simple verticle routes. Much different than his situation here where the route combinations are designed to make the defense react and one guy not doing his job .... screws up the whole thing.
He may get more quality opportunities just running a simple fly pattern .... which even JJ should be able to handle.
Maybe this system and situation was wrong for him ...
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Two things come to mind for me..
I think that the Ratbirds will only play him in a small % of their overall offensive snaps and his role is probably narrowly defined so he doesn't have to do any hard core ciferin' on gameday...so I agree with you there.
Many players play better when they are released or traded. They start to realize that all this NFL stuff is just temporary and it all depends on how much someone wants you. Obviously the Texans told him they don't want him anymore and I think that probably helps him grow up a bit more and this will lead him to be more productive since he can see the other side with more clarity after his Texans departure. (assuming he grows up a bit of course).
Imagine if another Texans castoff end up wearing a Super Bowl ring.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Imagine if another Texans castoff end up wearing a Super Bowl ring.
I doubt it this year. The Ravens' linebackers are so beat up, that their defense just isn't as good as last year. They will probably win the division, but only because the AFC north is getting weaker through aging and attrition this year. Add in the variability of injuries due to the age of their team, and they could be fighting for a wild card spot in December.
We keep talking about defense... the last few Super Bowl Champs haven't had strong defenses. It appears that teams with the ability to score 30 pts or more have the inside shot at winning a Super Bowl. & I'm starting to think there are more & more teams pushing the ability to score 40 pts.
The best defenses in the league may slow those teams down, but they won't stop them.
The best defenses in the league may slow those teams down, but they won't stop them.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
You don't think the Giants had a strong defense last year in their 21 - 17 win over the Pats? 2 of their points came off a safety, and the last TD they scored with a minute left in the game, was allowed by the defense. Pretty low scoring in general, but the team was definitely driven by defense in that playoff run.
The Packers/Steelers 31-25 game was a bit more about offense, but the Packers did force 3 turnovers in their win. I think the offense was the driving force of the Packers that year, but their defense was still pretty good, top 10 iirc.
The Saints sealed their win with a pick 6, but that game was kind of a shootout. The Saints defense was well known for causing lots of turnovers that season as well, so while their overall stats may not have been stellar, they still disrupted opponents quite well. 31-17 isn't an unusually high scoring game though.
Go back one more year, and the highlights of the Steelers/Cardinals 27-23 game included some big defensive plays. James Harrison's 100 yard INT return for a TD at the half was awesome, and probably won them the game. The Cardinals got a safety and the ball back late in the 4th, and that set up a late TD to Fitz, but their defense couldn't hang on to win the game.
Those 4 super bowls are all around 50 points total, so it's not like there is some huge swing in the scoring going on. Each team has strengths and weaknesses, but I think you can see a good balance between both the offense and defense in most of those teams.
BullBlitz
Section 331
Yes, nice run by JJ. Apparently tied the NFL record.
