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Dayne and Putzier about ready to get some company.
Notable Broncos free agents -
QB- Jake Plummer
OT - Dwayne Carswell
DL - Michael Myers
DB - Roc Alexander (restricted)
All will get phone calls...
Over / under on signees? I'll put it at 1.5.
I'll take the over!
You forget the Green Bay influence with the Texans... some of their Free Agents will get calls as well..
roc's already a texan and in all honesty i'd give the other 3 a shot during TC. plummer's an upgrade over carr, and it never hurts to give as many linemen a chance as possible. carswell didnt make it the first time around and i dont think he played at all last year so it's likely his football days are done.
Plummer an upgrade over carr?
Plummer through more interceptions in 12 games then carr did in 16. Carr is faster and stronger arm. I don't know how plummer is better than carr... really don't...
Plummer an upgrade over carr?
Plummer through more interceptions in 12 games then carr did in 16. Carr is faster and stronger arm. I don't know how plummer is better than carr... really don't...
Plummer an upgrade over carr?
Plummer through more interceptions in 12 games then carr did in 16. Carr is faster and stronger arm. I don't know how plummer is better than carr... really don't...
Plummer an upgrade over carr?
Plummer through more interceptions in 12 games then carr did in 16. Carr is faster and stronger arm. I don't know how plummer is better than carr... really don't...
Plummer an upgrade over carr?
Plummer through more interceptions in 12 games then carr did in 16. Carr is faster and stronger arm. I don't know how plummer is better than carr... really don't...
Actually, I'm pretty sure Jake Plummer has only shown that he can get to the playoffs and turn the ball over 4 times against the Steelers. That 13-3 Broncos team was good enough to go to the Super Bowl last year, except for one position. This notion that Plummer "took them" to the playoffs is laughable. And the year he "took" the Cardinals to the playoffs, he had a pretty darn good defense behind him and he threw 20 picks and fumbled 12 times, 5 of which were lost. If that is "taking a team" to the playoffs, then I have full confidence Carr can accomplish that - he's not quite as good at turning the ball over as Jake "the Mistake", but with practice, I'm sure he can get there.
Sure, he threw 20 picks but he also threw 27 touchdowns (iirc). That's what you get with Plummer. He makes bad decisions and turns the ball over... but he'll also put up some points. Right now, we've got someone who makes bad decisions and turns the ball over and DOESN'T put up any points. Neither one of these guys is a good QB. Both of them are going to lose games for you. But if you can get him to focus (and Kubiak has gotten him to focus), Plummer is going to pull one or two games out for you... it's been so long since Carr pulled a game out that I frankly can't recall it happening.
So, I'd say Plummer wins one or two games for you that Carr doesn't as well as losing all the games for you that Carr would have lost for you. So I see Plummer as a step up. A baby step, but a step.
If we need a temporary, stop-gap QB while we're grooming someone else to start, I'd prefer Plummer to Carr because I think we could at least show improvement with Plummer.
The year we are referring to, 1998, he threw 17 TDs, 20 INTs, and fumbled 12 times (lost 5 of them). Those are Carr numbers. Plummer has had one remarkable season in his entire career, and that was last year. He simply didn't make that many mistakes last year and had good production - until the playoffs. If y'all think Plummer is an upgrade to Carr, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. That's fine. But to perpetuate the myth that Plummer took his teams to the playoffs is a little ridiculous, IMO. I know it's en vogue to hate Carr around here, but if you put Carr on that Broncos team from last year, with two years of Kubiak's coaching, he'd be as good or better than Plummer. I'm all for losing Carr if we can get an upgrade, but I don't think Plummer's an upgrade. I'd definitely be interested in Russell or Kolb in the draft, but I don't see too many feasible options on the FA market. I'd rather take my chances with a Sage/Carr competition and groom the young QB.
But if you think that Carr is better, well... nobody's perfect.
Billy Miller couldn't block a pop-up. He was stuck somewhere between WR and TE. He was with the Saints, last I checked.i liked billy miller at TE.. don't know why they let him go... owen daniels is carr's main guy at that position, but putzier (pronounced PUT-C-A) is an ok TE
Dayne and Putzier about ready to get some company.
Notable Broncos free agents -
QB- Jake Plummer
OT - Dwayne Carswell
DL - Michael Myers
DB - Roc Alexander (restricted)
All will get phone calls...
Over / under on signees? I'll put it at 1.5.
I'll take the over!
Michael Myers is a cool sounding name.
Plummer could step in today and run the full version of the offense, not just the dumbed down version.
Plummer can actually look downfield while rolling out of the pocket. He has far better escapability from the pocket and improvisational skills than Carr.
Plummer plays more out of control than Carr, but it's easier to pull a wet noodle then to push one.
Plummer's mistakes have been forcing balls into coverage in intermediate and deep zones. Carr doesn't know what an intermediate zone is.
Plummer has his own problems but he appears to be far less damaged between the ears than Carr.
While not the savior, Plummer would be an upgrade at the position and most important not a liability (on this team).
Roc was quickly becoming one of our best special teams players before he was hurt. I know Kubiak was very high on him and he no doubt will be back in Texans camp.
Tatum is a fumbling machine. No thanks.
Tatum is a fumbling machine. No thanks.
totally agree...excellent post as usual.Plummer could step in today and run the full version of the offense, not just the dumbed down version.
Plummer can actually look downfield while rolling out of the pocket. He has far better escapability from the pocket and improvisational skills than Carr.
Plummer plays more out of control than Carr, but it's easier to pull a wet noodle then to push one.
Plummer's mistakes have been forcing balls into coverage in intermediate and deep zones. Carr doesn't know what an intermediate zone is.
Plummer has his own problems but he appears to be far less damaged between the ears than Carr.
While not the savior, Plummer would be an upgrade at the position and most important not a liability (on this team).
Roc was quickly becoming one of our best special teams players before he was hurt. I know Kubiak was very high on him and he no doubt will be back in Texans camp.
Tatum is a fumbling machine. No thanks.
This sounds familiar to my post a couple of days ago, "scavenging former players."
Jenkins, Cullen DT RFA
Not to mention he went to OSU, and it is obvious the head office doesn't like OSU players. (that was sarcasm in case you didn't get that)
Btw, i'd like us to bring in Michael Myers and maybe Tatum Bell depending on the price. I doubt Kabeer G-baja Biamila would get to free agency but if he does that looks like our pass rush specialist!!!
Hey!
Now I know I'm biased here but I think Tatum could give the Texans something they don't have, a true homerun threat in the backfield.
I also heard that Tatum Bell might be getting the boot from Denver and they might stick with Mike Bell. They have too many bells there anyway, so I hope they do release Tatum.
Billy Miller couldn't block a pop-up. He was stuck somewhere between WR and TE. He was with the Saints, last I checked.
Agreed - he's just the biggest "name" FA - I hate to say this, but by process of elimination Carr might still be our QB next year - I don't see an upgrade to any of the available free agents. Draft Kolb and let Carr sweat in '07!
For some reason, nobody seems to be realizing that Plummer has had an incredible array of talent around him in Denver...
Incredible array?
Even in thier 13-3 year in '05 their offensive talent was not head and shoulders above anyone else. Who are you talking about in this incredible array, an aging Rod Smith? I'd rather have AJ. Lelie (remember...talking '05 now)? Give me a break. Nalen and Mike Anderson? Absolutely. Foster? He's better than anything we have at tackle right now but is he elite? No. Tatum Bell? That was discussed in another thread.
I think Champ Bailey, John Lynch and Al Wilson had a lot to do with that success up there too.
Incredible array of talent (on offense)? In their best year in recent history ... and in a word .... no. Better talent than the Texans? At some positions, yes. Better depth overall? Absolutely. But tell me, how guys like Pitts and Weary that much worse than Hamilton and Carlisle (for example). Even this year, is Javon Walker any better than AJ? Is Stephen Alexander that much better than Owen Daniels and/or Bruener? Is Kyle Johnson that much better than Vonta Leach? Is rookie Eric Pears that much better than rookie Eric Winston? Just curious to see how you break it all down to reach that conclusion.
Their line got hurt this season and was a problem for all season.
That was acknowledged.Their running game was superior to the Texans.
I also heard that Tatum Bell might be getting the boot from Denver and they might stick with Mike Bell. They have too many bells there anyway, so I hope they do release Tatum.