I don't know any other way to say this

[Hervoyel]

We are at the precipice of another 2005-esque season.

The thing I'm most wondering after 3 weeks of football is whether we intend to keep anyone under 30 points this season.

In our three games we've seen that if our offense sucks we're going to give up 30+ and lose, if our offense is very ordinary we're going to give up 30+ and lose, and now finally if our offense plays well and racks up 27 points without any turnovers or sacks we're going to give up 30+ and lose.

I'm not on a ledge or anything so save your "Oh here come the chicken-little's out to cry about the season being over after 3 games". I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

I'm wondering if we're going to give up 30 points a game all year long and then get a list of excuses and injuries to explain it and then be looking at 2009 with the same defense talking about "taking it up to the next level" and producing nothing. No sacks, no turnovers, no pressure, no run defense, no pass defense, no containing the QB, no stopping anybody.

This is just embarrassing.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

We are at the precipice of another 2005-esque season.

The thing I'm most wondering after 3 weeks of football is whether we intend to keep anyone under 30 points this season.

In our three games we've seen that if our offense sucks we're going to give up 30+ and lose, if our offense is very ordinary we're going to give up 30+ and lose, and now finally if our offense plays well and racks up 27 points without any turnovers or sacks we're going to give up 30+ and lose.

I'm not on a ledge or anything so save your "Oh here come the chicken-little's out to cry about the season being over after 3 games". I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

I'm wondering if we're going to give up 30 points a game all year long and then get a list of excuses and injuries to explain it and then be looking at 2009 with the same defense talking about "taking it up to the next level" and producing nothing. No sacks, no turnovers, no pressure, no run defense, no pass defense, no containing the QB, no stopping anybody.

This is just embarrassing.

I thought we played better but my biggest concern by far is that Mario , Demeco , and AJ are sliding with the team .

 

[Norg]

There is no way we a a 2-14 team


u saying that we cant beat the Lions fins or Cincy at home ??????

 

[MEGA SWATT]

There is no way we a a 2-14 team


u saying that we cant beat the Lions fins or Cincy at home ??????

of course we can.

 

[Hervoyel]

There is no way we a a 2-14 team


u saying that we cant beat the Lions fins or Cincy at home ??????

Now granted we own the fish for some reason that no one can explain but you do understand that we've never beaten Cincinnati or Detroit don't you?

I see no reason to believe that our defense will hold either of those teams under 30 points. I was worried that Smith's unit would finish up around 24-25 in the league again but it's starting to look to me like he has his sights set on 30-32.

 

[Texans Pride]

Yep,

What I am most concerned about, is that this team looks exactly like it always has....I haven't seen any progression, esp. on defense.

I've wanted Smith gone since his first year, and would love to see a change made now.

 

[KEYE SUX]

There is no way we a a 2-14 team


u saying that we cant beat the Lions fins or Cincy at home ??????

That is 3-13. Not much different. It was killing me when Millen got fired from the Lions and it showed them with the WORST win percentage (WE ARE SECOND)

If we do not win at least 7 games this season will be a failure. I think we could do it but I also thought we would have a 10-6 record at the beginning of the season so what do I know?

 

[BSofA04]

I say wait until we have a few home games before we start talking 1st pick in the draft.

 

[TheIronDuke]

. I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

This is exactly how I feel at this point. I root and cheer but at the end we're still at the bottom of the league and we can only hope to beat teams that really suck bad which might turn out to beat us. Who are we to laugh at the Lions, Raiders, and Dolphins? We're in the same boat as them in the rest of the NFL's eyes.

 

[b0ng]

To me, I think we beat the Bengals and the Lions due to their QB issues and the fact that they have even less of a defense than we do (both of those teams).

But yeah, if our D doesn't un**** itself soon then we are in serious trouble.

 

[utahmark]

well your pretty much just the opposite of me. but one thing is for sure. if your right and im wrong it will be because of the defense. im not sure why some of you cant see improvement in our offense. they look like they should be a top 10 unit this year.

 

[houstonhurricane]

We sure as heck better beat Detroit and Cincy at home. The Fish could give us some trouble...

 

[Corrosion]

Did Dick Smith really need another thread ? .... Fire the bastard already Gary .... or stay loyal to your guy and suffer the same fate that Dum Capers did.

 

[CoastalTexan]

What is our Defense ranked right now???

 

[Scooter]

What is our Defense ranked right now???

we have a defense?

 

[Runner]

Who are we to laugh at the Lions, Raiders, and Dolphins? We're in the same boat as them in the rest of the NFL's eyes.

Very true.

To me, I think we beat the Bengals and the Lions due to their QB issues and the fact that they have even less of a defense than we do (both of those teams).

We sure as heck better beat Detroit and Cincy at home. The Fish could give us some trouble...

It says about the team when fans get excited about playing these teams so they can be proud of a win.

============================

The Texans just lost to a 1-2* team after the offense "finally played like they are capable". Pardon me if I'm not celebrating right now.

I know, they are now 2-2. Very exciting.

 

[Texecutioner]

well your pretty much just the opposite of me. but one thing is for sure. if your right and im wrong it will be because of the defense. im not sure why some of you cant see improvement in our offense. they look like they should be a top 10 unit this year.

They look like they should be a top ten unit this year??

Because they came close to beating a team hampered with injuries that has been struggling and is 1-3 now but still lost? I guess you're just disregarding the first two games because they weren't what you wanted to see.

There is not one team in the league that is worried about this offense right now. Not one. They finally improved this week, but they have a ton of work to do.

 

[beerlover]

the Texans suck, oops thought thats what you where going to spew

Kubiak & staff blew another opportunity, take the penalty @ the beginning of the game, defense looked good, instead they declined & Del Rio hustled his offense going for it on 4th down breaking down a confused special teams unit thinking it was a punt. WHERES THE FREAKEN TIMEOUT KUBIAK!!!!!

other than that one play the Texans would have beaten the Jaguars. I really don't understand how they can be in such a funk everygame & cost their team important early points, its disturbing, ill prepared & mind bending

 

[Vinnie]

well your pretty much just the opposite of me. but one thing is for sure. if your right and im wrong it will be because of the defense. im not sure why some of you cant see improvement in our offense. they look like they should be a top 10 unit this year.

You forgot something--->

 

[utahmark]

They look like they should be a top ten unit this year??

Because they came close to beating a team hampered with injuries that has been struggling and is 1-3 now but still lost? I guess you're just disregarding the first two games because they weren't what you wanted to see.

There is not one team in the league that is worried about this offense right now. Not one. They finally improved this week, but they have a ton of work to do.

when you look at how the offense is playing you usually dont look at the whether we won or not. you look at how the offense played. that seems simple to me, whatever. i think we scored everytime we touched the ball in the second half. im not sure you can look much better than scoring everytime you touch the ball. but by your logic the defense played so poorly that our offense is bad.

against tenn we moved the ball well against a real good defense just could'nt quite get it in. even against pitt we were moving the ball a little the defense just couldnt ever get us the ball. and we are talking about 3 of the best defenses in the league. these teams usually shut down everyone.

 

[Vinnie]

against tenn we moved the ball well against a real good defense just could'nt quite get it in.

I found the solution to our red zone woes!!

This will be the third season we've had that problem, I don't see it improving, even with Slaton running the way he is. Top ten teams get it done in the red zone. Prove me wrong Texans please!

 

[dtran04]

Believe it or not, the Texans were actually one of the better teams at scoring in the red zone last year. Fourth in getting TD's according to PFW.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL+Statistics/Inside+the+Red+Zone/2007/finalredzn.htm

 

[Goldensilence]

We are at the precipice of another 2005-esque season.

The thing I'm most wondering after 3 weeks of football is whether we intend to keep anyone under 30 points this season.

In our three games we've seen that if our offense sucks we're going to give up 30+ and lose, if our offense is very ordinary we're going to give up 30+ and lose, and now finally if our offense plays well and racks up 27 points without any turnovers or sacks we're going to give up 30+ and lose.

I'm not on a ledge or anything so save your "Oh here come the chicken-little's out to cry about the season being over after 3 games". I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

I'm wondering if we're going to give up 30 points a game all year long and then get a list of excuses and injuries to explain it and then be looking at 2009 with the same defense talking about "taking it up to the next level" and producing nothing. No sacks, no turnovers, no pressure, no run defense, no pass defense, no containing the QB, no stopping anybody.

This is just embarrassing.

I mentioned this in a post a while back too. Question to me is IF we don't win at least 6 games does it cost Kubiak his job?

Anyway we could lure Ron Wolfe out of retirement to be president of Football operations?

 

[Norg]

At this point i dont care if teh texans suck LOL

Look at the Kanas city and St louis there just happy they got a team LOL ......

 

[Vinnie]

I mentioned this in a post a while back too. Question to me is IF we don't win at least 6 games does it cost Kubiak his job?

Anyway we could lure Ron Wolfe out of retirement to be president of Football operations?

I say no it doesn't cost him his job, and if it does it's on the D. For one, unlike the Capers/Casserly era, he inhereted an extremely broken team, and made marked improvement in the win column every year under his belt he coached. Two, if this season ends up a six game win or less debacle I believe it will rest firmly on this inept defense. Gary was brought in because our offense SUCKED awfully. You can not say they've done a bad job at elevating this teams offense under his reign. It is markedly better. Gary is relying on guys that are supposed to know how to run a defense and they are blowing it big time. There are way too many first round picks on that D line to suck this bad, it boggles the mind.

 

[Corrosion]

I say no it doesn't cost him his job, and if it does it's on the D. For one, unlike the Capers/Casserly era, he inhereted an extremely broken team, and made marked improvement in the win column every year under his belt he coached. Two, if this season ends up a six game win or less debacle I believe it will rest firmly on this inept defense. Gary was brought in because our offense SUCKED awfully. You can not say they've done a bad job at elevating this teams offense under his reign. It is markedly better. Gary is relying on guys that are supposed to know how to run a defense and they are blowing it big time. There are way too many first round picks on that D line to suck this bad, it boggles the mind.

I kinda agree with Vinnie . I dont think Kubiak is on the hot seat unless we have a total melt down as in 2-14 type season. I also think the offense is better this year and should only improve with the young guy's getting more experience (Slaton Brown and Co.).

The defense is another story .... They may not have ever been able to generate a pass rush but they have also never been this poor .... at least in my opinion. Its not just us on this board calling for Smiths beheading , its all over talk radio and media ..... I just hope that Gary is smart enough to cut his losses with the guy before it does cost him his job much like Capers lost his because he put too much faith in his guy's.

 

[Marcus]

I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

 

[drewmar74]

I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

Could Frank Bush do any worse? What about Ray-Ray? Think he could handle it for 12 games or so?

 

[Thorn]

Another year of losing games we should have won, dumb ass press conferances, coaches and players alike not doing their jobs, and unrealistic expectations from the fans.

With very few exceptions it's been this way for pro football in Houston since the 60s. I had been hoping for something different from the Texans.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Was I the only one that knew the game was over after the flip of the coin in OT?

These types of losses are worse than the blowouts. I got my blood a boiling so high, I ended up with a headache the remainder of the day. That is, until I choked down about a dozen cold beers.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Linehan just got fired. Hopefully Kubiak follows him out the door.

If Smith is retained for the rest of the year, its obvious that Kubiak isn't about competing much less winning. He can take his aww shucks demeanor and BS answers/excuses in post-game interviews and shove them up his arse.

 

[drewmar74]

Was I the only one that knew the game was over after the flip of the coin in OT?

No... there were quite a few of us, I'm sure.

I don't think their D could have stopped us. At the same time, I knew our D couldn't stop them....

 

[HOU-TEX]

No... there were quite a few of us, I'm sure.

I don't think their D could have stopped us. At the same time, I knew our D couldn't stop them....

Agreed!

 

[beerlover]

next up a hungry Colt team coming off a bye week how well does this Texans fare against Peyton Manning & company?

Kubiak: we got to look at film & firgure out how to get pressure on Manning. our run defense looked good but we can't give the Colt offense that much time or they'll pick apart our secondary.....the Colts represent another tough challenge we have to overcome, it just doens't get any easier in this league

 

[austintexanite]

No way we have another season like '05, I think this team has shown a lot more than that team ever did. I know it sucks being 0-3 but we did play all three games on the road against some pretty tough competition.

I'm just frustrated at the lack of pass rush, if we had another DE that could put pressure instead of just Mario I think we win yesterday. I actually thought he had Gerrard a couple of times just a hair too late...if only someone was on the other side who provided some fear.

 

[Thorn]

In order for us to hit 500 this year, we have to go 8-5 in our last 13 games. Given the first three games, I don't see it. I really hate to say this, but I see us only winning about 6 or 7 games this year. Kubiac needs to do something to fire up this team or else we are in for another losing season.

 

[HOU-TEX]

No way we have another season like '05, I think this team has shown a lot more than that team ever did. I know it sucks being 0-3 but we did play all three games on the road against some pretty tough competition.

I'm just frustrated at the lack of pass rush, if we had another DE that could put pressure instead of just Mario I think we win yesterday. I actually thought he had Gerrard a couple of times just a hair too late...if only someone was on the other side who provided some fear.

I agree on the pass rush, but when it takes 3 quarters to make an adjustment covering the 10 yard quick slant there really isn't much time to rush.

Honestly, you'd think Smith, Hoke or somebody would take notice after the 3rd or 4th time. But no, it took them until the 4th quarter before they started lining the CB's on the inside shoulder of the WR's.

 

[dalemurphy]

We are at the precipice of another 2005-esque season.

The thing I'm most wondering after 3 weeks of football is whether we intend to keep anyone under 30 points this season.

In our three games we've seen that if our offense sucks we're going to give up 30+ and lose, if our offense is very ordinary we're going to give up 30+ and lose, and now finally if our offense plays well and racks up 27 points without any turnovers or sacks we're going to give up 30+ and lose.

I'm not on a ledge or anything so save your "Oh here come the chicken-little's out to cry about the season being over after 3 games". I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

I'm wondering if we're going to give up 30 points a game all year long and then get a list of excuses and injuries to explain it and then be looking at 2009 with the same defense talking about "taking it up to the next level" and producing nothing. No sacks, no turnovers, no pressure, no run defense, no pass defense, no containing the QB, no stopping anybody.

This is just embarrassing.

If we were an 8 or 9 win team before the season, I don't see anything so far that has changed that. We've only lost 3 games that we were fully expecting to lose. I'm very disappointed in our start. However, having suffered through 2005, this team is light year's from that. I still expect 8-9 wins and am looking forward to the Richard Smith firing, which needs to happen this season.

I share your frustration for the lack of improvement. However, I don't see regression either- certainly nothing like 2005.

 

[drewmar74]

I really hate to say this, but I see us only winning about 6 or 7 games this year.

Honestly, I think that is being a bit generous.

If the offense can play like they did yesterday, we'll be competitive. If the defense can't do any better than what they did, I guess it won't really matter what the O does. A couple of punts by us and we're sunk. We'll have to score on darn near every posession. That coupled with the lack of a bye week isn't going to be good.

I'm fearful that we're looking at a 3-13 to 5-11 season. That's not be negative based on emotion, that's just resignation to what I feel to be some unfortunate truths.

 

[Malloy]

we can't give the Colt offense that much time or they'll pick apart our secondary

No worries Colts, that secondary FELL apart a long time ago

 

[cuppacoffee]

I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

The Rams didn't get your memo.

 

[Marcus]

I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

The Rams didn't get your memo.

I stand by what I said. Nobody's getting fired before the end of the season.

I know that when you are a fan of a team that blows chunks, a coach getting fired is the only thing you can dream about, like as if it would really make a difference.

 

[Hervoyel]

I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

You're just wrong on this Marcus. It's done in the NFL on a fairly routine basis and even the Texans have sent an offensive coordinator packing (one who has a Super Bowl ring since leaving I might add). It is not the preferred way to deal with things but it happens somewhere almost every single season.

Teams fire coaches and assistants to make a sacrifice to appease the fans or if one aspect of the team continues to perform very poorly to send a message that this is going to change. They appoint an interim HC, OC, or DC and keep on trucking. The interim guy is either an old hat who can do the job but isn't going to get much consideration for the spot or he's a position coach who they think might be ready to step up. Either way the position doesn't get officially filled until the end of they year. You're right there and I agree, the guys we would want to see running our defense are all employed at the moment.

I think that the odds of a firing actually taking place are very small because the Texans don't like to do this if they can avoid it and that we all know that a firing won't fix anything this year. This is our defense until the end of the season whether we can stomach it or not. To me the worst part of an in-season coordinator firing is that it usually says something ominous about your coaching staff and or front office. It's a sign of a divided or dysfunctional franchise (usually) and I am torn between wanting to see Smith gone and knowing that if they send him packing anytime soon they will be doing so out of desperation and I didn't want to be following another desperate coaching staff leading this team.

 

[Texan Asylum]

It's done in the NFL on a fairly routine basis...

Rams Fire Linehan, Turn to Haslett

 

[Texans_Chick]

I mentioned this in a post a while back too. Question to me is IF we don't win at least 6 games does it cost Kubiak his job?

Anyway we could lure Ron Wolfe out of retirement to be president of Football operations?

Ron Wolf has to be close to 70 years old.

I don't see this team as a 2-14 team. This was a very up and down team last year, playing much better at home than on the road. Most of the worst games for Kubiak have been road games.

The beginning of the year truly is a coach killing schedule for a young team, even without Ike.

I think it is too soon to tell.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

the Texans suck, oops thought thats what you where going to spew

Kubiak & staff blew another opportunity, take the penalty @ the beginning of the game, defense looked good, instead they declined & Del Rio hustled his offense going for it on 4th down breaking down a confused special teams unit thinking it was a punt. WHERES THE FREAKEN TIMEOUT KUBIAK!!!!!

Who's the clown sitting in the booth that didn't make that call either? Was he too busy watching the cheerleaders?.........or just in need of ophthalmalogic assistance? Or maybe, like last week when supposedly not supplied with the instant replay, this week the Jags substituted his communication headset with noise-cancelling headphones and his binoculars with a kaleidoscope.

 

[beerlover]

Who's the clown sitting in the booth that didn't make that call either? Was he too busy watching the cheerleaders?.........or just in need of ophthalmalogic assistance? Or maybe, like last week when supposedly not supplied with the instant replay, this week the Jags substituted his communication headset with noise-cancelling headphones and his binoculars with a kaleidoscope.

yeah him too now all teams have to do is hustle up to the line of scrimmage like they're getting over instant replay & Kubiak will have to react just out of fear of blowing another game

 

[kastofsna]

I stand by what I said. Nobody's getting fired before the end of the season.

I know that when you are a fan of a team that blows chunks, a coach getting fired is the only thing you can dream about, like as if it would really make a difference.

a coach getting fired midseason makes a lot more difference than a GM getting fired, which was obviously just an attempt at showing the Lions fans some hope

 

[threetoedpete]

There were eleven professional football players watching the Jaguars line up. The only one of them that gets a semi pass was J.J. who was counting heads on our punt return squad. Anyone of them could of stood up and called time out. Now if there were eleven blithering idiots drooling all over themselves on our side you might have a point. But these guys get paid. They line up funny call time out. Football 101. Everybody in the league has stupid pasted to every one of those guys forehead now who was on that squad.

The coaches can't play for them. DC calls for the young DT to shawdow the QB on the goal line, the DT gets there and misses the tackle...

Lots and lots of missed tackles Sunday.

They are not going to keep up third down conversions @ a 75% clip. No way.

 

[Marcus]

Rams Fire Linehan, Turn to Haslett

Yeah, let's do the same thing the Rams are doing.

The Rams fire Linehan, and give the job to Jim Haslett, the DC of a defense that actually has given up more points per game this season than the Texans.

Let's follow their lead, and fire Kubiak, and make Richard Smith the HC.

Yeah, that oughta work out real well.