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I think David Carr's Career would be a middle of the road kinda guy sorta like Kerry Collins or Jake Plummer, he wouldnt be sacked as much, but he will not have those game were he gets only 9 incompletions
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thegr8fan said:what color would the sky be if it wasn't blue?
Just thought I would add another totally irrelavent hypothetical nonsensical question I always wanted the answer to, since this seems to be the thread for it.
Kaiser Toro said:Just when I thought that I was out they pull me back in.
mexican_texan said:The play of the QB relies on the play of the O-line. The better the O-line, the better the QB.That won me all the arguments with the Carr-haters
ensign_lee said:No doubt that he'd be having a Carson Palmer type of season year in and year out, which is very similar to a Peyton Manning type of season. I think Gaffney would have developed better, and we would have had our 1-2 punch with our WRs.
It is EXTREMELY HARD to throw when a 300 lb guy is about to come and kill you.
Exascor said:The idea was having most of the passing plays set up to get the ball out of Carr's hands fast.
Because we would place a 2 WR set in I formation against like 7 DBs due to our mental coaching staff.thunderkyss said:In his 76 sack season(2002) he threw the ball downfield a lot more often, than in 2005, meaning more deep routes, less hitches. why is that??
texan279 said:Chill, it's the offseason, the draft's over now, nothing much else to talk about. A lot of the threads around now are questions involving hypothetical situations and speculation.
TwinSisters said:Agree. ( although I don't think this draft is going to go away anytime soon )
as to the Sky hypothesis
Technically the sky does not have color, color is in your brain. So if the sky is not blue, it can be whatever color you want it to be.
see the sound of a tree falling in an empty forest play.
thegr8fan said:what color would the sky be if it wasn't blue?
Just thought I would add another totally irrelavent hypothetical nonsensical question I always wanted the answer to, since this seems to be the thread for it.
Carr2Johnson said:I think David Carr's Career would be a middle of the road kinda guy sorta like Kerry Collins or Jake Plummer, he wouldnt be sacked as much, but he will not have those game were he gets only 9 incompletions
Kaiser Toro said:Color is simply a reflection of light. In total darkness, everything is the same color.
texan279 said:Chill, it's the offseason, the draft's over now, nothing much else to talk about. A lot of the threads around now are questions involving hypothetical situations and speculation.
Texas said:I put a middle of the road type guy because of the fact our coaching staff completely sucked.
Yeah it did. I'm not a Capers basher but you have to look at the compete staff.Bobo said:No, it didn't.
Exascor said:Yeah it did. I'm not a Capers basher but you have to look at the compete staff.
Palmer: Was oil to Capers water. They didn't mesh well. Palmer and the entire staff gave Carr too much rope. Carr seemed to let football slide on his priority list. Palmer's system might have been OK without the Capers system being merged into his. It was a mess that got worse instead of better.
Fangio: He held players back with his complex defensive assignments. Guys like Babin and Peek had to worry more about what they were supposed to do rather than just react. The entire system left gaps 10 yards wide for receivers to get open in. Talent could have played a part in it but it was the system/coaching that caused the most problems.
Capers: The guy had a system and refused to stray from it. He tried to find players to fit his system rather than adapt the system to fit the players. A good coach will do both. He was a nice guy and gave the Texans everything he could but he was not a good headcoach. We rarely looked good even when we won games. Our offense never got on track. He was known to be an expert in the 3-4. Turnovers and negative plays were missing each year. Again, talent could have had something to do with it but he picked most of the talent-not Casserly.
If Carr would have had a stable o-line he'd be a different guy imo. Now we can only hope that Kubiak can fix what Palmer & Capers allowed to happen to him. If not, then we wasted the first draft pick this team had. Not that Carr didn't have talent but that his talent was ruined by inept coaching.
El Tejano said:Because we would place a 2 WR set in I formation against like 7 DBs due to our mental coaching staff.
Exascor said:Yeah it did. I'm not a Capers basher but you have to look at the compete staff.
Not that Carr didn't have talent but that his talent was ruined by inept coaching.
Capers is the defensive coordinator in Miami.....tsip said:.)Please answer the following:Bobo says:
Capers and his staff did very well, seeing what they had to choose from. They had nothing but NFL rejects and raw, green rookies to deal with under their tenure and did a pretty darn good job with what they had to work with. They ended up leaving Kubiak with a strong nucleus, with Davis, Carr, D-Rob and AJ. When Capers and Co. came in, they had nothing -- no nucleus whatsoever. They created the nucleus the team has today and instead they get nothing but railroaded. It's pretty easy to point to someone who is gone and lay all the blame at their feet. When a coach goes 2-14, yeah, he deserves some of the blame -- just like he would deserve some of the credit if he had a good season. But I have a real, real hard time when those same folks who give Capers nothing but grief won't give him an ounce of credit for his first three years and the nucleus he created. Folks like that are very, very disingenuous as far as I'm concerned.
1) If Capers was such a good HC, why didn't he get one of the 9 HC openings? Why was he not even sought after as a DC or even position coach?
Again, I think Pendry is the only one not working..... Palmer is in Dallas with Bill Parcells.. I'm not sure about Fangio, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is working somewhere too.tsip said:2) If Caper's AC's did such a great job, why are most of them on the unemployment line?
Going to a 4-3 necessatates(sp) some new personnel..... but that core is still there..... TJ, Robaire Smith, Babin, Peek......tsip said:3) What nucleus? What part of Caper's previous team was so successful it is not being changed? OL/DL/DB/DE/LB/RB/TE/WR----where's the nucleus?
Yeah that's kinda wierd how that 4 year thing works.....tsip said:4) Only 1 HC led his team to disasterous 4th years by an expansion team and both were Coached by Capers!...every other expansion team made the playoffs by year 4 except the Texans.
Why did we fire Capers?? was it because we were 30 out of 32 on offense?? or 31 out of 32 on Defense??tsip said:Bobo, you don't give one single fact of why Capers is a good HC--c'mon, give us one, just one fact--all your'e doing is spitting out opinions. Finally, how many NFL teams would not have fired Capers after the 4th year?
thegr8fan said:what color would the sky be if it wasn't blue?
Just thought I would add another totally irrelavent hypothetical nonsensical question I always wanted the answer to, since this seems to be the thread for it.
tsip said:.) Capers and his staff did very well, seeing what they had to choose from. They had nothing but NFL rejects and raw, green rookies to deal with under their tenure and did a pretty darn good job with what they had to work with. They ended up leaving Kubiak with a strong nucleus, with Davis, Carr, D-Rob and AJ. When Capers and Co. came in, they had nothing -- no nucleus whatsoever. They created the nucleus the team has today and instead they get nothing but railroaded. It's pretty easy to point to someone who is gone and lay all the blame at their feet. When a coach goes 2-14, yeah, he deserves some of the blame -- just like he would deserve some of the credit if he had a good season. But I have a real, real hard time when those same folks who give Capers nothing but grief won't give him an ounce of credit for his first three years and the nucleus he created. Folks like that are very, very disingenuous as far as I'm concerned.
Please answer the following:
1) If Capers was such a good HC, why didn't he get one of the 9 HC openings? Why was he not even sought after as a DC or even position coach?
2) If Caper's AC's did such a great job, why are most of them on the unemployment line?
3) What nucleus? What part of Caper's previous team was so successful it is not being changed? OL/DL/DB/DE/LB/RB/TE/WR----where's the nucleus?
4) Only 1 HC led his team to disasterous 4th years by an expansion team and both were Coached by Capers!...every other expansion team made the playoffs by year 4 except the Texans.
Bobo, you don't give one single fact of why Capers is a good HC--c'mon, give us one, just one fact--all your'e doing is spitting out opinions. Finally, how many NFL teams would not have fired Capers after the 4th year?
People complain about everything. What does "people complaining" have anything to do with Capers' performance? Capers failed to adjust his system to best utilize his talent. That was a failure.Bobo said:A.) When Capers stayed with the system, people complained. When he strayed from it and made changes, people complained that he wasn't sticking with his system. Hence, that charge has no merit.
Capers was given a free pass for the first 3 years. All the problems that creeped up each year were tied to reasons like "young team", "lack of talent" and any other excuse we could come up with. The problem is that the team looked horrible in year 4. We're not talking about the Steelers having a poor season here. We are talking about a team that had no discipline and looked lost even when they won. It was rough to watch because it seemed like the team didn't believe that they could win. The team was the worst NFL team I've ever watched...ever. The talent wasn't great but the system was a joke. The system caused most of the loses not the lack of talent. That's the coaches fault. For all 4 years we were unable to maintain leads at halftime. Capers would make adjustments that didn't work and the opposing coach always seemed to make the right calls. Poor coaching.Bobo said:B.) Capers was indeed a good head coach. For the umpteenth time, he took a brand new expansion team to four wins, then to five, then to seven. He took a step back last year, but that happened to both SB coaches not long ago.
C.) The Texans didn't look good when they won games because they were a young team still trying to gel! Heck, do you expect them to look like the Steelers who have been around for decades?
So why stop if it worked so well (which it didn't)? Capers was lost last season. He lost the team and it showed up in the preseason. Many of us blindly thought it wasn't going to carry on in the regular season. I will admit I was very wrong about that.Bobo said:D.) The Texans were really bad in TOs last year. The year before, they were 7-9 so no complaints there -- whatever was being done was working pretty well.
I'd hate to make you laugh of guffaw. I actually agree that little more could have been done to get good players for the o-line. There were some moves that killed our 2nd and 3rd round picks though to get players that Capers wanted (Babin, Buchanon...) that could have been used to address the line. The offensive system was horrible and created some of the o-line problems. Wand started during the 7-9 season and lost his job to Riley. That's good coaching?Bobo said:E.) Where do you expect to get this so-called OL "talent?" In the expansion draft? Don't make me laugh. You get nothing but players the other teams are willing to get rid of. Free agency? Don't make me guffaw. No major free agents will come to a team that doesn't have a shot to make it to the SB. So the only place you can really build from is the draft, and the jury is still out on the Texans drafts since the most recent process was just the fifth one and the results of the first one or two are just starting to be seen.
Yeah I agree with you here. I like Capers and respected everything he did for the first 3 years. Year 4 should have been different than it ended up. Capers may not have been the main reason for the horrible year we had. I blame Fangio 1st and the horrible Palmer/Capers hybrid offense. Capers was ultimately responsible for his staff. His defenses should have been dominant but were soft. That was Capers responsibility and he failed. I was sad to see him go but it was time to make a clean start.Bobo said:F.)It's pretty easy to point to someone who is gone and lay all the blame at their feet. When a coach goes 2-14, yeah, he deserves some of the blame -- just like he would deserve some of the credit if he had a good season. But I have a real, real hard time when those same folks who give Capers nothing but grief won't give him an ounce of credit for his first three years and the nucleus he created. Folks like that are very, very disingenuous as far as I'm concerned.
If Carr fails in the next year or 2 he WILL be a bust. There are different reasons for a being a bust though. Leaf was a problem case. Laurence Phillips was a criminal. Kijana Carter was injury prone. Harrington just wasn't worth the #3 pick. Couch was overrated but also thrown to the wolves too early like Carr. 1st Year Expansion Team + Rookie QB = Bad Ideathunderkyss said:Isn't that the way it is with all busts?? Who was Tim Couches Coach?? what's he doing now........ I'm asking, because I don't know. Was Shotenheimer(sp) in SanDiego when they drafted Ryan Leaf, or was that Norv?? Who coached Quincy as a rookie?? & of all the coaches that coached Carr, how many are still working??
I mean when has having a bad coach stopped anyone from being labelled a bust??