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Let me give you one example of the difference I see.Dallas Offensive line is one of the best in the business. So of course Dak looked Stella out there.
Houston offensive line is a work in progress. They were without 3 starters and you expected the same type of command. Even with us being ultra vanilla against all out blitz from the 49ers.
I surely hope you see the difference.
Already put together healthy offensive line verses a make shift with three starters out with injuries.
I agree he will not start but absolutely disagree with you thinking he will barely see real action. The man is a stud, you don't sit a stud because he is a rookie.Shorts is having one helluva camp. He's already familiarize with this offense. The slot position is his to lose. Miller will not start and he will barely see some real action this season. If one of our main receivers gets hurt, then he will see more PT.
Let me give you one example of the difference I see.
Remember the back shoulder throw to Bryant Prescott made for Dallas' first TD? That throw had touch. Contrast that with the same type of throw Osweiler made to Hopkins when Os threw a 95 mph fastball that even Hopkins couldn't handle.
Prescott is a rookie.
Osweiler is going into his fifth year.
On both throws, Prescott's and Osweiler's, there was a clean pocket so, in those cases, O-line performance was good enough to allow a successful play.
Don't take my word for it, check out NFLN's total access. They showed both plays when talking about each respective teams' (and QB's) preseason games.
Fair warningTry not to get sick listening to David Carr explain QB play.
I agree he will not start but absolutely disagree with you thinking he will barely see real action. The man is a stud, you don't sit a stud because he is a rookie.
Shorts is an injury prone wide receiver and only has 2 more years in the league than DHop and has only played in 13 more games. He doesn't really provide any more veteran presence than Hop.
Where have you seen he is having "one helluva camp"?
From a lot of the beat writers covering the Texans.
Miller will see limited minutes. He still have Shorts, Strong and Hunt to beat out for playing time. Lamar Miller will line up a lot in the passing game as well.
But hey we shall see
Not saying what I described will be Osweiler's ceiling. Not at all. I fully expect improvement. As he gets more knowledgeable in this offense I'm sure he'll get better.So basically we are going off of one preseason game.
Come on dude you are indeed tripping.
Brock have made that same throw playing for the Broncos. If you don't believe me, well follow your own advice.
Again Dat is playing with one of the best offensive line in the game today. Not only that he played more series than Brock.
Then again is this not the 1st preseason game.
Go look how Rodgers, RG3, and Wilson looked in their 1st few series.
Not saying what I described will be Osweiler's ceiling. Not at all. I fully expect improvement. As he gets more knowledgeable in this offense I'm sure he'll get better.
Like you say, this is the first preseason game.
It just struck me as weird that a 4th round rookie had better touch - on a route that EVERYBODY runs - than a four-year NFL vet (albeit who has limited reps).
I hope you don't mean those same beat writers that make virtually everyone on both sides of the ball seem like Pro Bowlers. It was the offseason and in practice, so looking bad is not really the norm for reports from beat writers. Take what you read from them with a metric ton of salt about any player and just wait for them to actually play the games.
So basically we are going off of one preseason game.
Come on dude you are indeed tripping.
Brock have made that same throw playing for the Broncos. If you don't believe me, well follow your own advice.
Again Dat is playing with one of the best offensive line in the game today. Not only that he played more series than Brock.
Then again is this not the 1st preseason game.
Go look how Rodgers, RG3, and Wilson looked in their 1st few series.
Not saying what I described will be Osweiler's ceiling. Not at all. I fully expect improvement. As he gets more knowledgeable in this offense I'm sure he'll get better.
Like you say, this is the first preseason game.
It just struck me as weird that a 4th round rookie had better touch - on a route that EVERYBODY runs - than a four-year NFL vet (albeit who has limited reps).
Who Dat? Sorry, couldn't resist! Especially with the Saints coming to town!
Those same beat writers will tell you when players drop passes and if they're having a bad camp.
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Yes they do, but unless a player is really bad (like cut/waive bad), they usually fluff them up. Point is, games are played for a reason and we should all take any beat writer offseason report for what it is, a report about practice during the offseason.
I hope you don't mean those same beat writers that make virtually everyone on both sides of the ball seem like Pro Bowlers. It was the offseason and in practice, so looking bad is not really the norm for reports from beat writers. Take what you read from them with a metric ton of salt about any player and just wait for them to actually play the games.
The one thing to remember is that without Os the Broncos do not even make the playoffs. He beat two very good teams in the Pats and Bengals. He is not a scrub QB.It's about consistency for me. If Prescott can hit a difficult throw like that repeatedly in all situations then the Cowboys got a hell of a bargain. If Os can't make difficult (and easy) throws consistently he will probably not be a starter for very long because O'Brien will pull him. If there is one thing I am not worried about its Bill O'Brien sticking with a QB for too long.
The one thing to remember is that without Os the Broncos do not even make the playoffs. He beat two very good teams in the Pats and Bengals. He is not a scrub QB.
Not saying what I described will be Osweiler's ceiling. Not at all. I fully expect improvement. As he gets more knowledgeable in this offense I'm sure he'll get better.
Like you say, this is the first preseason game.
It just struck me as weird that a 4th round rookie had better touch - on a route that EVERYBODY runs - than a four-year NFL vet (albeit who has limited reps).
Savage played alright, he's not a world beater though. He's comfortable with this system and should be a good backup.
Cliett was in for a couple of plays on S.F.'s last possession and then on the punt return team. Nothing really came his way. He is definitely heavier than last year and looked a little stiff to me.
Cliett was in for a couple of plays on S.F.'s last possession and then on the punt return team. Nothing really came his way. He is definitely heavier than last year and looked a little stiff to me.
Yeah, that bugged me too.I finally got to watch the whole game.
Did anyone notice how in that 3rd offensive series that Oz started getting sharper?
You could see the competitiveness start to take over...........and they yank him.
What argument? It was an evaluation of that pass.You're entire argument is based off of one pass attempt...
Are you sure it was Cliett? The report that JB posted said Cliett was out with a strained hamstring. http://www.texanstalk.com/posts/2620416/
"Offensive tackle Derek Newton and inside linebacker Reshard Cliett are still out with strained hamstrings."
Re-watched some of the game at lunch. Man, I sure hope we're able to snag a dlineman or two once cuts begin. Covington was the better of the bunch, but very hit or miss. Reader was completely overwhelmed.
Just very bad overall along the dline
Not to sound like a smart-ass, but I re-watched the end of the game after your post to be sure which plays he was in on. The number on his jersey was 58, and the name was spelled Cliett.
Not to sound like a smart-ass, but I re-watched the end of the game after your post to be sure which plays he was in on. The number on his jersey was 58, and the name was spelled Cliett.