HoustonFrog said:
UMM, I agree completely and have plenty on positives to say about DD. My post was just a reference to people thinking you can "get by" with DD. Almost every team in the history of the NFL to win a SB has had a franchise/HOF QB or RB. Some had both. Right now we are paying franchise money for a QB we hope turns the corner and money to a RB who is thought of as a "good" RB. I think we can use both RBs if we get Bush and co-exist. As I said in another post there is the smallest part of me that sees how Denver drafted RBs late and can go a different direction.
You put a HOF QB on a bad team, he'll look like an average qb.. You put an avg QB on a bad team, and he'll look like a poor QB. You put a poor QB on a poor team, and he'll look like a POS.
You put a HOF RB on a poor team, he'll look like a good/avg RB. You put an avg RB on a poor team, he'll look like a poor RB. You put a poor RB on a poor team, he'll look like a POS.....
If that is true..... and simple logic would lead you to believe it is...... then DD is a bargain, @ $5 mil/yr......
infantrycak said:
OK, let's do this a little differently. Does it bother you that 90% of VY's highlight reel involves him running or throwing the ball to crazy open receivers? Forget what the called play was--fact is that is what people are talking about when they say non-pro style--in the pros, the QB is rarely if ever told, look to WR#1 and then if he isn't open take off and make the most you can. That may be a throw 1st play, but it is still one where the whole team knows the 2nd option is the QB running.
What were we telling David to do??
infantrycak said:
It concerns me that most of Bush's highlights involve open field running. It concerns me that few of VY's highlights involve standing in the pocket and threading the needle. They are both unconventional players.
True.
infantrycak said:
More?--not than half you didn't mean if you were having any pretense at objectivity. In any event, the point with either of these guys is a team is going to have to use their talents by designing the O around them. Neither is a conventional player.
But Vince has the tools. His effeciency(sp) rating, his completion percentage, and the work he's done at his pro-day, and his private workout with the Houston Texans all suggest, that he is just as accurate as any QB ever taken with the #1 overall pick. Steve McNair, Donavan McNabb, Dante Culpepper, John Elway have proven that a QB with Vince's skills can make the transition from Running QB to pocket passer....... & that his particular set of skills can help a young team experience success, as they all learn to play, and get better.
Gayle Sayers....... I imagine he was a #1 overall, or at least played at a level that would justify a #1 overall pick...... I don't know. never saw the guy.
Marshall Faulk....... if my goal was to put together a "greatest show on turf" offense, and I had experience running that offense(if I were Mike Martz, or one of the coaches out of his tree), then Reggie Bush would be high on my list. If I were Denver, or a coach out of the Shanahan tree, I'd be looking for more of a pure runner. D'Angelo Williams, Moroney, Addai..... if I were looking to draft a RB in the first round..... but if I had DD, I wouldn't be looking to address RB till the second day....... unless there is an exceptional talent that may be available in the third, where I've got 2 picks, and took care of most of my more pressing needs in FA.
Brian WestBrook....... IMHO, was a waste of a first round pick........ there is still no running threat in Philly, other than Mcnabb.
Willie Parker..... 4.7 ypcarry........ 12.1 ypcatch. Most definitely appears to play at a 1st round selection.... based on his NFL sophomore season, would I consider him in the first round?? would I consider him in the top 10??
Yes...... but he is more of a running threat.... he's more of a pure runner.
Now if Kubiak is sitting on 13 games of film & he's seeing Reggie can run the ball in his system, then I'm all for that. I on the hand, am not privy to such, and that being the case, I'm having a hard time seeing a change-of-pace running back/slot reciever as the #1 overall, and paying him $45 million.
infantrycak said:
Don't know where the expert things came from. In any event, don't play the Jeff Fisher card until you see the 3rd pick in the draft.
Fair...... I don't know what I was thinking.....
infantrycak said:
OK, that was hyperbole--akin to Carr never in his life hit his 2nd progression. Having watched VY most of last season--not every game, but most--I would say there were few if any plays he got to his 4th progression on and often the plays were designed for him to make 1 or 2 reads and then bolt. By the design of the O, VY had few opportunities to look for the 4th receiving option.
I wish I could be more specific, but in one of the highlight films, there are two broken plays.. Vince takes off to his right. On both such plays, you can see Vince Clearly spot and identify 3 posible recievers. Vince throws, and makes a completion to that 3rd reciever, who would be the fourth. On one of those two. The one he is being dragged(grammar) down by two defensive players, his 1st option was there...... he takes off to the right. He identifies a dump off on his right, near the sidelines.... he's covered at the time. Vince looks to the left, he sees another player covered. he looks back to the right, and throws the ball to the guy he saw covered a little earlier..... it's also a completion. That would be his 4th read...... 4th option.
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I still stand by my Assertions regarding Carr at the Collegiate level. What was VY's TD to INT ratio again? Tell me again how many of those passes VY made with a 3-5 step drop and from the pocket? How about listing Fresno State's Offensive lineman who were projected early-round choices in the next draft. How about Fresno's defensive ranking Carr's Senior season?