I'd say Pete Carroll...but he's technically a boomerang returnee to Pro Football.Who was the last big time college football coach to be successful? Kelly, Saben, and Spurrier did nothing of note. Jimmy Johnson maybe?
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I'd say Pete Carroll...but he's technically a boomerang returnee to Pro Football.Who was the last big time college football coach to be successful? Kelly, Saben, and Spurrier did nothing of note. Jimmy Johnson maybe?
Who was the last big time college football coach to be successful? Kelly, Saben, and Spurrier did nothing of note. Jimmy Johnson maybe?
If Jim Harbaugh counts.
The NFL is changing. Offenses are incorporating more and more college style plays. Hiring college coaches who are offensive minded will become a trend. Just watch.Who was the last big time college football coach to be successful? Kelly, Saben, and Spurrier did nothing of note. Jimmy Johnson maybe?
He had tons of NFL experience as a player, but that's about as close as it gets. Pete Carroll was good in the NFL before he went to USC.
I would never hire a college coach who doesn't have significant NFL experience. It's an even bigger failure rate than hiring an NFL guy.
I would think guiding 21 to 25 (Texans avg age 25) would qualify growing young men.Dabo is never going to leave college. You can see just how much he loves helping grow the boys he recruits into young men. He has said it numerous times that that is the most rewarding part of the job for him. You don't get to do that in the NFL
I would think guiding 21 to 25 (Texans avg age 25) would qualify growing young men.
That conclusion seems to be a real stretch. A good friend of mine who follows Dabo has told me that when "touring" different cities for recruiting pr purposes, he will wear local teams' shirts.https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/08/hypothetical-dabo-swinney-clemson-coach-texans/amp/
Hypothetical: What if Dabo Swinney left Clemson to coach the Texans?
With the Houston Rockets currently in the middle of the biggest series of their year against the Golden State Warriors, Clemson football coach Dabo Swinney made a surprise appearance at the Toyota Center in Houston on Saturday night to see Houston’s first victory in the series.
Swinney caught the eye of the media when he turned up wearing a Houston Texans shirt to the game. This may just be a nod to some of his most successful Clemson products Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins who both play for the Texans. However, openly promoting an NFL team when you’ve had players drafted all over the league is quite the statement.
This raises an interesting question; is Swinney targeting the Texans head coaching job? And are Houston keeping tabs on him?
There can be no denying that pressure has been mounting on Bill O’Brien for the past couple of years. Despite the fact he has coached the Texans to just one losing season in five years and won three AFC South titles, he has yet to make it past the divisional round of the playoffs. And with many players in this current lineup well in their primes such as J.J. Watt and DeAndre Hopkins, fans are eager for O’Brien to get the most out of this side while he still can.
Perhaps Swinney believes that he can be the guy to get the most out of this lineup, a level of confidence you couldn’t criticize given his
Dabo just signed a 10 year $93 million contract. Anyone see the Texans beating that?Dabo's not going anywhere. This is a pipe dream.
Dabo just signed a 10 year $93 million contract. Anyone see the Texans beating that?
That's what I thought.
It’s starts off with “hypothetical”!That conclusion seems to be a real stretch. I good friend of mine who follows Dabo has told me that when "touring" different cities for recruiting pr purposes, he will wear local teams' shirts.
Also hate to tell you this but as far as NFL coach records go his is pretty good. Multiple division titles and only one losing season. I know that means nothing to many on here but in the NFL world that’s a good record. So again I ask, why should they do it?
From the Texans point of view it makes little to no sense unless they wanted O’Brien gone which clearly they don’t right now.
As with any stat you have to look beyond that to the actual performance of the player or in this case OBrien. As with college coaches like Dabo or Saban, it's not just about Ws but where does each season end and how did team individually and collectively form. Also how did the coaching perform and this is where those of us on here think he is worse----hit Houston. If we all looked at it from Texans view all he time, it would be lock step mindless amens in church and I AIN'T about that in church or here. We do not clearly know what ownership wants as the McNairs have not told us and perhaps not have told GM/HC either. CAL could be thinking "GM has had one year to settle in and after a decent first draft without round one and two has had an interesting off season that could sink this year or it could indicate we have a very good roster for future. This is Bill's sink or swim year, another championship for Sweeney and he will be willing to accept what I will offer." Again, we don't know clearly what anyone is thinking just because we do not know of any changes that might be coming.This is all very fascinating but seems to ignore one simple question. Why would they replace Bill O’Brien? I mean I know some on here think he is the worst thing to hit Houston that doesn’t have Category 4 or 5 used to describe it but clearly the Texans FO and the McNairs in particular disagree at least for now.
Also hate to tell you this but as far as NFL coach records go his is pretty good. Multiple division titles and only one losing season. I know that means nothing to many on here but in the NFL world that’s a good record. So again I ask, why should they do it?
From the Texans point of view it makes little to no sense unless they wanted O’Brien gone which clearly they don’t right now.
I love using winning seasons & division championships to defend my under performing HC. But it's all window dressing, eye candy... a diversion.
How many times have we beaten the Colts with a healthy QB? How many times were we embarrassed at home in the playoffs? What's your record against winning teams?
& I'm not saying BO'b is a bad HC. But if he doesn't fix this offense, he's a bad HC.
I love using winning seasons & division championships to defend my under performing HC. But it's all window dressing, eye candy... a diversion.
How many times have we beaten the Colts with a healthy QB? How many times were we embarrassed at home in the playoffs? What's your record against winning teams?
& I'm not saying BO'b is a bad HC. But if he doesn't fix this offense, he's a bad HC.
As with any stat you have to look beyond that to the actual performance of the player or in this case OBrien. As with college coaches like Dabo or Saban, it's not just about Ws but where does each season end and how did team individually and collectively form. Also how did the coaching perform and this is where those of us on here think he is worse----hit Houston. If we all looked at it from Texans view all he time, it would be lock step mindless amens in church and I AIN'T about that in church or here. We do not clearly know what ownership wants as the McNairs have not told us and perhaps not have told GM/HC either. CAL could be thinking "GM has had one year to settle in and after a decent first draft without round one and two has had an interesting off season that could sink this year or it could indicate we have a very good roster for future. This is Bill's sink or swim year, another championship for Sweeney and he will be willing to accept what I will offer." Again, we don't know clearly what anyone is thinking just because we do not know of any changes that might be coming.
As far as the offense goes if you put aside the Oline, I will grant you that is a huge thing to put aside, before it got hammered with injuries the offense was kicking ass. That could have been in spite of O’Brien but if we are blame him for the teams failures then to be fair we have to give hm at least partial credit for its success and yes the team has had them.
There have been so many times I felt good about O'Brien & his offense being so close. The whole Osweiler fiasco, I was here, saying just that. Osweiler taking this team toe to toe with New England in a Division game. To this day I say Osweiler played well enough to win, but guys who usually make the tough catches dropped three would be touchdowns that would have changed the outcome of that game. Three. Osweiler. I was on O'Briens side.
Then this past season, that last Jags game where the offense looked innovative in the 4th Qtr, I thought that was a preview of what was to come in the playoffs. I mean why else have Watson & our starters out there in the 4th of a game that was over?
I'm ready to pile a ton of credit on BO'b... opportunities just few & far between.
Man you are hilarious! My post was "wall of text" and I read your last three! Anyways back to your comment.. The 4-12 season parlayed into Bill's payoff was under Bob's watch. A year later and things have changed. 11-5 with a lot of sloppy play and coaching decisions. I think you are correct that some on this board look only at wins. Some of us look beyond that see how the game is played. No one has any idea if Sweeney would come here. It was hypothetical as were our responses.I’m not defending anybody, I’m pointing out that yes winning seasons and division championships do matter. Not to people on this MB but in the larger world yeah they do matter.
As far as the offense goes if you put aside the Oline, I will grant you that is a huge thing to put aside, before it got hammered with injuries the offense was kicking ass. That could have been in spite of O’Brien but if we are blame him for the teams failures then to be fair we have to give hm at least partial credit for its success and yes the team has had them.
Got to be honest I had to read that about 5 times to understand what you were saying with that wall of text but I think I have an idea. First I do agree, for me at least, this is his sink or swim year but thats just for me.
As far as the not knowing what the McNairs want it’s not that hard to figure out. He went 4-12 and they gave him a 4 year extension. If that doesn’t say they think he’s doing something right I don’t know what would and yes Cal was in on that decision to.
The only caveat I’ll say is that if Rick Smiths wife had not taken ill then at some point that situation would have come to a head and the McNair’s would have had to chose. It is possible they didn’t want to change GM and HC back to back so they decided to keep him for that reason but we will never know there.
Also where do people get this idea that A) Swinney has any interest in leaving where he’s at or B) the Texans have any interest in signing him? Other than some click bait headlines I’ve never seen any really creditable sources on this but I haven’t looked either.
More importantly I don’t see any real upgrades out there that the Texans actually have a chance of luring away.
Man you are hilarious! My post was "wall of text" and I read your last three! Anyways back to your comment.. The 4-12 season parlayed into Bill's payoff was under Bob's watch. A year later and things have changed. 11-5 with a lot of sloppy play and coaching decisions. I think you are correct that some on this board look only at wins. Some of us look beyond that see how the game is played. No one has any idea if Sweeney would come here. It was hypothetical as were our responses.
We were looking for a HC when we found O'Brien.
but they still went on a 9 game winning streak.
You are absolutely correct and I’m not saying we couldn’t find one, in fact I know we could. Now whether they will be an improvement is a roll of the dice but it’s a roll that you at times have to take.
My question is, objectively speaking, is it that time? Say they brought in a new HC tomorrow, unless they catch lighting in a bottle it’s a safe bet that it will take him at least 2 years to get his system in place and that’s assuming he likes the kind of players the Texans have gathered under BoB.
Do you think BO'b will improve in two years? If you can see it, it makes sense to hold your cards.
With the way FA & the draft went down, I believe the Texans see a lack of athleticism was a problem. We've added some bonafide athleticism.
I don't disagree that there was a lack of athleticism. However, I feel BO'b under performed & failed to maximize the talent he did have.
I think it's time to move on. As soon as I heard Arians was interested in returning to coaching I'd have found his number and offered him the moon.
But... this is where we're at. Hoping BO'b can coach up the new talent he has better than he coached up the old talent he had.
Do you think BO'b will improve in two years? If you can see it, it makes sense to hold your cards.
With the way FA & the draft went down, I believe the Texans see a lack of athleticism was a problem. We've added some bonafide athleticism.
I don't disagree that there was a lack of athleticism. However, I feel BO'b under performed & failed to maximize the talent he did have.
I think it's time to move on. As soon as I heard Arians was interested in returning to coaching I'd have found his number and offered him the moon.
But... this is where we're at. Hoping BO'b can coach up the new talent he has better than he coached up the old talent he had.
I honestly don’t know, I can see very well why people say he won’t but I can also see why Cal would still be holding his cards as you say.
Think about it, you are a Cal McNair, you know that BoB and RS were butting heads and that nothing would improve with both of them there. Maybe you had a say in what was going to be the decision maybe you didn’t but then tragic circumstances took the decision out of your hands.
So now you’ve hired a new GM and all signs point to him and your HC jiving. His first draft is limited but he makes the most of it and you go into the season. It’s starts bad but then you go on a franchise record win streak, defy all the odds and make it to the playoffs. That blows up in your face but that one game aside it was a great season.
So here you are in the next season, your GM had all his picks, added some great weapons and overall seems to have improved the team. How much is up for debate but still improved.
So yeah I can very much see why Cal would give him one more year. I most likely would to, but it would be a sink or swim year.
I honestly don’t know, I can see very well why people say he won’t but I can also see why Cal would still be holding his cards as you say.
Think about it, you are a Cal McNair, you know that BoB and RS were butting heads and that nothing would improve with both of them there. Maybe you had a say in what was going to be the decision maybe you didn’t but then tragic circumstances took the decision out of your hands.
So now you’ve hired a new GM and all signs point to him and your HC jiving. His first draft is limited but he makes the most of it and you go into the season. It’s starts bad but then you go on a franchise record win streak, defy all the odds and make it to the playoffs. That blows up in your face but that one game aside it was a great season.
So here you are in the next season, your GM had all his picks, added some great weapons and overall seems to have improved the team. How much is up for debate but still improved.
So yeah I can very much see why Cal would give him one more year. I most likely would to, but it would be a sink or swim year.
Tell me are Howard/Scharping the answer at OT and I will tell you if BOB is going to improve as OC/HC.
Tell me, do you think Davenport played above his talent level & ahead of his development schedule?
If you think Davenport played at or below his capability I don't see any reason Howard or Scharping will play above theirs. If you believe Davenport is further developed than he should be, I'll feel confident Howard & Sharping will come along sooner rather than later.
I think Davenport is developed as far as his talent level can take him.
He can't make his feet move faster.
Their tradition of bad coaching had made the old Oilers such a laughing stock that they couldn't attract a good coach. Let us not become so comical that no knowledgeable coach would be interested in coming here. I would give BOB this season only to work with his OC and have good decisions on offense and if not, he'd be history.
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I think you guys are concluding that a coach like Dabo Sweeney wouldn't come here, period, and neither would any other really good College coach, for that matter. If that's what you think, we'd better be pulling for OB. Either OB, or we get an NFL retread. That works some of the time, but doesn't work a lot more. We could probably get an up and coming coordinator who really wants to be a Head Coach, but will that satisfy the Dabo Sweeney craving?
Incorrect. I'm just saying let's don't keep bad coaches until we become ludicrous like the Oilers were.I think you guys are concluding that a coach like Dabo Sweeney wouldn't come here, period, and neither would any other really good College coach, for that matter. If that's what you think, we'd better be pulling for OB. Either OB, or we get an NFL retread. That works some of the time, but doesn't work a lot more. We could probably get an up and coming coordinator who really wants to be a Head Coach, but will that satisfy the Dabo Sweeney craving?
The late, great Bum Phillips once said, "There's two kinds of coaches, them that's fired and them that's gonna be fired." O'Brien is one of them that will be fired. One day. After that, he becomes a retread. I'm pulling for the team. As long as O'Brien is part of the team, I'm pulling for him....we'd better be pulling for OB. Either OB, or we get an NFL retread.
Incorrect. I'm just saying let's don't keep bad coaches until we become ludicrous like the Oilers were.
Just to clarify my position:
1. I root for all Texans players and coaches. 2. My hope for Sweeney while a huge shot in dark is for 2020 3. I see 2019 as sink or swim for O'Brien and is more about player play and development than Ws. 4. Despite the 2018 win streak the team was not as good as it should've been and while I blame much on Devlin, HC is O'Brien.