Floats the ball on deep passes? Sounds like Carr to me.
Team defense sucked and he suffered for it? Sounds like Carr to me.
There is only one difference between Carr and Quinn: Age.
They both "look" good, that's about the only positive that I can see. He was on "Path to the Draft" and the tv hosts were raving about how his body looked at the combine when he took his shirt off for measurements. Whoopee.
You Domers need to curb your man crush on your QB. He's not awful, I'll grant you that, but he's not worthy of the No. 6 pick...He's a late first rounder at-best IMO.
Why we would attempt to drastically re-build this team with Quinn when we just dumped a No. 1 pick (Carr) is beyond me.
I hate UT. I was against VY coming here--I thought his performance in the Rose Bowl was a fluke. I was wrong. He DESTROYED a USC team every time he had the ball, regardless of USC's bad defense. He took the game over, on his shoulders, and this team very ignorantly passed on him in the draft. Looking back, I wished we had taken Vince.
But I cannot foresee me feeling that way about Quinn if he cam ehere. I have read a story in ESPN Magazine about him. I know he's all business, and I know he's ultra competitive. I "get" that. I really do.
But what I'm realizing is that this organization does not have the ability to see PERFORMANCES and grade a top-10 pick on those performances. If we did, we would have picked VY or RB...but we chose an unconventional route with Mario Williams, based on price vs. VY and RB.
But now we want to move up and SPEND on Brady Quinn?
That's the head-scratching part that I'm talking about. That's the sort of stuff that makes me consider leaving this team. I can understand busting on a few players at the top of the draft, but when you had VY in the palm of your hand....and wait for Brady Quinn...AND pay more (to move up) than you had to with VY...I gotta' sit back and re-evaluate the thinking process of this team's FO.
It's becoming a pattern, IMO. And it's getting stupid.
Dump Carr for another QB who "looks" good but has had about the same "big game" success as Carr?
When you stack VY and BQ side-by-side and you see how VY willed his team to victory...vs. BQ who "has a bad defense that he has to put up 45 points to try and win a game" then I have all I need to form my opinion.
David Carr also has had a bad defense that he needed to put up big points to overcome. You are 100% POSITIVELY SURE that BQ can come in and do what David didn't?
Because I gotta' tell you, at the end of the day, the two guys are spitting images of each other. Period.
Our defense is still awful. It didn't magically get better with a journeyman LB named Danny Clark that I've never heard of before. How is Quinn going to do what David didn't?
That's my big question: Tell me HOW BQ can do what DC couldn't?
I don't want to hear "Well, I think he has a better support system than Carr had..." and all that psychobabble nonsense that screams "I like N.D. and I think he'd do great here." We've got an LSU fan on this board who says "we ought to get Landry and it's not just because I am a HUGE LSU FAN." Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
I like TTU, a lot, but I don't think any of those guys are fits for our team--They can play, especially Joel Filani at WR...but I don't hammer on you guys about how he would go over big on our team if we drafted him.
I can detach bias, unlike a lot of people here.
Again, at the end of the day, how does BQ get done what DC could not?
New guy, same problems. We need a bonified playmaker and game changer at QB. I don't see one that's worthy of that in this year's draft. JeMarcus Russell MIGHT be close to it, but I think he's still a bigger gamble than VY ever was.
Please let this be a smokescreen to leverage draft position.
Pretty please, with a cherry and whipped cream on top.
I for one was to keep Carr and just have him stay through this process of us building a team, because I would much rather have someone with potential be back there trying to win for us, than someone who has no potential. I went to a lot of practices before last season...and I am sorry but Sage doesn't make very good reads, he misses a lot of open receivers, and when it comes to zip the ball in between two defenders, he can't do it. He did good in the preseason and came in during garbage time and was effective, awesome...who cares. He is a good backup don't get me wrong, but getting rid of Carr and having Rosenfels step in is just us telling the nfl "give us 2 more high first round picks...and 3 years from now we will compete for the playoffs".
What I am saying is player to player, Brady Quinn is a lot better than what David Carr was coming out of college. Brady Quinn always put his team in a position to win, and in his last two years, I never saw him not do his part to make sure his team was going to come out with a W. He never thre 0 touchdowns, never had under 50 yards never threw a lot of interceptions, when he made mistakes, he bounced back, and he played with passion. The reason why I like the big school quarterbacks as opposed to the small school is because this is how it goes down coming out of high school, if you are a good qb you will get offered from the big schools and small schools, the big schools (notre dame, usc, florida etc.) well say "we d love to have you, but once you get here, you have to earn your starting spot, nothing is guaranteed, you will be competiting with some very good quarterbacks". And the small schools say "If you come here, starting job is yours for four years!" Brady Quinn was the number 2 qb coming out of high school, he wanted a challenge, Carr took the easy way out. While Carr will be in the offseason playing golf and making appearances with his trophy wife, Quinn will be busting his butt in the weight room and watching film, working with receivers. Since a few days after his bowl game, he has been training with USC receiver dwayne jarret on routes, obviously he has been in the weight room (24 reps) and he has had Charlie Weis to refer to, and when Weis says that he is the next Tom Brady, I think he has room to talk, because I mean...he did create Tom Brady.
That is why I think Brady Quinn is a step above David Carr.
Now for what you said about the Texans and Brady Quinn, it matters where we stand. We don't know all the details, if Carr is working his butt off and wants to stay, lets keep him and pickup laron landry at safety or get a big man on the interior of our defensive line. If Carr doesn't workout, we can always draft a young qb in the future, and the longer we wait, the easier it ll be for them to step in. If Carr wants to leave, well we can throw the season and just keep Rosenfels and draft a defensive player high to build our defense yet again, or we can draft this kid out of notre dame, and see how competitve he really is.
In college I always said Brady Quinn is much better than Leinart, because he does the same leinart does, without all the weapons. Well watching leinart throw all over the bears on monday night, and leinart work wonders in his rookie year, I am curious to see what BQ can step in and do.