Vinny said:
what I meant was Plumber had some actual production on really bad teams. He had managed to hold up to his hype to win some games on his talent even though he had obvious flaws. Plumber won some games on his arm and led some great comebacks from time to time but Carr hasn't done that. You point to more spec...more potential. Plumber had at least flashed he could hurt an NFL defense. I've only see us ride to victory on the fabled arm of David Carr on rare occasion. He lit up a bad Cowboy team on his first game, and he lit up a really bad Viking defense two years ago. There are a couple of moments outside of those two examples but it's largely been 58 games of the same ol' same ol.
Here is a list I made of some of Carr's games that I consider "good" games. I also listed the team's overall defensive ranking for the teams he played against. I also listed how many points our defense allowed in those games and the overall offensive ranking of the teams that scored against our defense. Take a look at what Carr has done in the past against some good defense's (9 of them ranked in the top 10 overall). Then take a look at the points our defense has allowed against some bad offense's (8 of them ranked 15th overall or lower).
10/20/02 22/36 267 yards 1 TD 0 INT vs. Cleveland (Loss) 10th ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 34 points against CLE's 19th ranked offense
11/17/02 22/30 228 yards 1 TD 1 INT vs. Jacksonville (Loss) 9th ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 24 points against JAC's 21st ranked offense
09/07/03 17/31 266 yards 1 TD 0 INT vs. (Win) Miami 3rd ranked defense
HOU defense allowed 20 points against Miami's 24th ranked offense
09/28/03 23/36 234 yards 1 TD 1 INT vs. Jacksonville (Win) 6th ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 20 points against Jacksonville's 25th ranked offense
10/26/03 8/9 62 yards 1 TD 0 INT vs. Indy (Loss) 11th ranked defense
HOU defense allowed 30 points against INDY's 2nd ranked offense
09/19/04 23/34 313 yards 2 TD 1 INT vs. Detroit (Loss) 18th ranked defense
HOU defense allowed 28 points against Detroit's 24th ranked offense
10/10/04 27/42 372 yards 3 TD 0 INT vs. Minnesota (Loss) 26th ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 34 points agains MINN's 6th ranked offense
10/17/04 16/26 266 yards 1 TD 1 INT vs. Tennessee (Win) 27th ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 10 points against TENN's 11th ranked offense
10/31/04 26/34 276 yards 1 TD 0 INT vs. Jacksonville (Win) 7th ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 6 points against JAC's 29th ranked offense
11/07/04 22/41 245 yards 0 TD 0 INT vs. Denver (Loss) 4th ranked defense
HOU defense allowed 31 points against DEN's 9th ranked offense
09/18/05 16/26 167 yards 1 TD 0 INT vs. Pittsburgh (Loss) 3rd ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 27 points against PIT's 9th ranked offense
10/02/05 17/26 174 yards 1 TD 0 INT vs. Cincinatti (Loss) 22nd ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 16 points against CIN's 4th ranked offense
11/06/05 22/30 219 yards 1 TD 0 INT vs. Jacksonville (Loss) 6th ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 21 points against JAC's 15th ranked offense
11/27/05 25/34 293 yards 3 TD 1 INT vs. St Louis (Loss) 31st ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 33 points against STL's 11th ranked offense
12/24/05 19/29 295 yards 2 TD 1 INT vs. Jacksonville (Loss) 6th ranked def.
HOU defense allowed 38 points against JAC's 15th ranked offense
I have listed 15 games out of Carr's career that I consider "good games" of his. Nine of these games were against top 10 overall defenses. Out of these fifteen games, we won four of them. Instead of having to ride Carr's arm, maybe the defense should step up, or a WR make something special happen after a catch, or special teams step up. None of the games I listed would I consider "bad", in fact in all 15 of these games, Carr completed more than 55% of his passes and never threw more INT's than TD's in any of these games. You guys can accuse me of being a Carr lover or whatever, but if we are going to rip on Carr for losing games or blame him for not being able to ride his arm in the past where he at least played decent, why not rip on our horrible defense or other subpar components of the team who have failed in the past?