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Brandin Cooks to the Texans

Lucky said:
No doubt that the Hopkins deal revolved around a personality conflict. Money, change in schematics, regression...that was all BS.

Cooks is the same player as Fuller and Stills. In the past, a superior version. Now, who knows? I don’t know if most fans understand the value of a 2nd round pick. A very likely contributor at a very low cost. If Cooks can produce as he has in the past, that’s still a big cap hit. If he can’t, Billy Oh has petered away a valuable resource. A failed trade, either way.

So if the Rams inability to utilize the deep passing game revolved around poor protection and an ineffective run game, why does anyone think the Texans aren’t facing the same restrictions? Watson will have to hold the ball longer for downfield plays to develop. There’s no bell cow RB on the roster to put fear into the opposing defense. Exactly how is stretching the field going to work if the ball has to come out before the deep pass breaks open?
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That's what Cobb is for

Tell me did you like the offense more when WFV was in the lineup? Then you should like Cooks. Again I will ask who at 57 would you have gotten as good as Cooks is with no OTA's/TC. Also 8 mil isn't a bad contract for a WR of Cooks talent. Plus the Rams ate 21.8 mil in guaranteed $$$$ and because of this Cooks will want to renegotiate at a cheaper cost for some guaranteed $$$$ after this season.

If Cooks stays healthy this is a very good deal. IMHO
 
JB said:
That could pick up the offense year 1 with no OTA's and likely no TC?
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There were several vets who couldn’t grasp this offense to. One example Chad Johnson. Therefore, it’s a gamble either way. So why not groom your future while you have the few vets that’s played in your system for awhile.
 
badboy said:
I agree but we did not keep Hopkins. Let's move on.
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Uncle Rico said:
LOL so now we are going to downplay a guy having 5 concussions. OKAY!

Jordan Reed is a free agent, AND A TIGHT END, and he's only had 6 concussions. Logical fit for the Houston OBriens yeah?
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If he is a FA, then who gets the 2 round pick we would give for him then?

What day is the draft? I’m starting to think Bill has something important to do that day, and if he trades away all the picks he can take the day off, lol!
 
JB said:
Chad Johnson wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and Cooks has already picked it up in NE
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Cook only played a year and they traded him the following year. His value there wasn’t like Julian E or Gronk.

But you’re right even though Chad was a monster in Cincinnati.

There are other players who didn’t grasp their concept. Another one was Moss, his talent was the reason why he was a beast there. Several other vets spoke on that off and said it took them three seasons. So hypothetically speaking what if we lose Cook, Fuller and Still next season. What will they do then? Recycle more vets? Do you think it would’ve been wise to draft a receiver and groomed him.

Hey it didn’t take Fuller long to grasp the concept of this offense.
 
thunderkyss said:
Was the NFC West one of the toughest divisions in the league last year? Cardinals & Rams struggled all year.
The AFC South was easily as tough as the NFC West in 2019.
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The way I ranked them was by total win/loss record & then by how many above 500 teams were in each division.

As a side note besides the Texans (10-6) & Eagles (9-7) every other division winner had at least 12 wins.

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NFC West (49ers 13-3) - Division Record: 38-26 - 3 Teams Above 500

AFC East (Patriots 12-4) - Division Record: 34-30 - 2 Teams Above 500

NFC North (Packers 13-3) - Division Record: 34-30 - 2 Teams Above 500

AFC South (Texans 10-6) - Division Record: 32-32 - 2 Teams Above 500

NFC South (Saints 13-3) - Division Record: 32-32 - 1 Team Above 500

AFC West (Chiefs 12-4) - Division Record: 31-33 - 1 Team Above 500

AFC North (Ravens 14-2) - Division Record: 30-34 - 1 Team Above 500

NFC East (Eagles 9-7) - Division Record: 24-40 - 1 Team Above 500

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The 3 top teams in the NFC West had more total wins than all 4 teams in the AFC South, NFC South, AFC West, AFC North & NFC East.

49ers 13-3
Seahawks 11-5
Rams 9-7
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Total 33-15

I'm also curious why the Rams going 9-7 = 'struggling all year' but the Titans going 9-7 = 'tough opponent in tough division'.
 
mws said:
I'm also curious why the Rams going 9-7 = 'struggling all year' but the Titans going 9-7 = 'tough opponent in tough division'.
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They struggled all year. That's the way I remember it. The 9-7 Titans beat the Patriots in Foxboro in January. That's tough. They beat the Ravens in Baltimore. Tough.

& I didn't say the AFC South was a tough division, I said easily as tough as the NFC West, which I said wasn't tough in 2019. Definitely not the "toughest" regardless of W-L.
 
thunderkyss said:
They struggled all year. That's the way I remember it. The 9-7 Titans beat the Patriots in Foxboro in January. That's tough. They beat the Ravens in Baltimore. Tough.

& I didn't say the AFC South was a tough division, I said easily as tough as the NFC West, which I said wasn't tough in 2019. Definitely not the "toughest" regardless of W-L.
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If winning games doesn’t make a tough division, what exactly does? The NFC West had 38 wins. 4 more than any other division. Enlighten me.
 
steelbtexan said:
What would warrant a Cooks trade.

Your mixing the 2 trades together.

I look at it like this, could the Texans or any team for that matter draft a WR at 57 that's as good as Cooks in yrs 1-2? Keep in mind that there will be no OTA's and probably a shorter TC to help get the rookie WR you draft at 57.

Other than last yr (We've talked about this) what Wr in this draft has Cooks production (You can only hope a rookie WR can achieve the level of success Cooks has achieved in his NFL career.) and can match his production next yr? The only guys that can give you this kind of production as rookies with no OTA's/TC are Juedy/Lamb.

Ruggs is a young Cooks IMHO and you can expect numbers similar to Cooks rookie yr from him. Of course Ruggs is going top 15 and may not even be able to reach Cooks rookie numbers with no OTA's/TC.

Bottom line is do you think Cooks had an off yr or do you think he's in decline? CnD's post about Cooks injury history turned me into a yes on this deal. Cooks talent is undeniable and if he stays healthy he's well worth pick 57. He gives the Texans what they miss when WFV gets hurt again and when both are healthy along with Cobb there will always be somebody open DW4 just has to get them the ball.

The Texans have a better overall WR corps if healthy this yr than they did last yr and that was with Nuk playing great. There are more weapons at DW4's disposal.
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Are we drafting @ 57 or 40?


NM/ I got it.

:coffee:
 
Lucky said:
If winning games doesn’t make a tough division, what exactly does? The NFC West had 38 wins. 4 more than any other division. Enlighten me.
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I'm sorry, I got off track. The 49ers & Seahawks are tough. The Rams played them 4 times this year. Our 10-6 isn't by any means better than the Rams 9-7
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm sorry, I got off track. The 49ers & Seahawks are tough. The Rams played them 4 times this year. Our 10-6 isn't by any means better than the Rams 9-7
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Even though they played K.C., Ravens/Pat's Titans twice etc.... Last year was by no means an easy schedule.
 
steelbtexan said:
Or DW4'S throwing to him 150 times out of 334 attempts.
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Out of curiousity, do you even know how much other Texans QBs targeted Hopkins? Do you even realized that before Watson was drafted, in 2015, Hopkins was targeted 192 times? How about Watson has targeted Hopkins 174, 163 and 150. Notice a pattern? Also, the 174 targets during Watson's rookie season is not all on Watson. He only played in 7 games.

Before Watson was drafted, Hopkins was targeted 91, 127, 192, and 151 times. Seems to me, Hopkins' targets are a feature of O'Brien's offense. BTW, we've had this conversation before.
 
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maverick512000 said:
Ah but you see I think that were the problem comes in that OB doesn’t think we are a fringe contender. I truly believes he thinks we are one good season away from a SB and who knows maybe he’s right. I mean it’s possible that all other SB teams have season ending injuries which would put Texans right there in the hunt.

Either way though as the HC after 6 years he can’t say “yeah I’ve been here 6 years and we are a fringe contender” in a league where some HCs last only one year. So OB the GM is making moves to insure OB the HC has a shot at a SB because he knows if by some miracle he does bring a championship to Houston he’ll have a job for life.
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If we are one good season away from SB indicating 2021 In my opinion we are in difficult times. Fuller, cooks and Johnson may be gone and an out of gate late draft in 3rd isn't going replace all three. This time next year we will be paying an astronomical amount for Watson or looking for Another starting QB. Watt may be gone with no way replace him unless this draft. Epenesa or James Lynch? Seems like Obrien needs be AFC coach in the Bowl this season.
 
Earl34 said:
Out of curiousity, do you even know how much other Texans QBs targeted Hopkins? Do you even realized that before Watson was drafted, in 2015, Hopkins was targeted 192 times? How about Watson has targeted Hopkins 174, 163 and 150. Notice a pattern? Also, the 174 targets during Watson's rookie season is not all on Watson. He only played in 7 games.

Before Watson was drafted, Hopkins was targeted 91, 127, 192, and 151 times. Seems to me, Hopkins' targets are a feature of O'Brien's offense. BTW, we've had this conversation before.
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We know OBrien's route combinations don't get people open and also he's very predictable in calling run vs pass.

Putting the team constantly in 3rd and long is gonna cause you to rely on your best wideout
 
santo said:
Maybe cause he was the only one that stayed healthy. :kitten:
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Maybe

This is what we're going to find out this yr.

Almost 1/2 of the targets is very telling regardless of who the other WR's were. We're going to find out alot this yr and I'm very happy about this before they pay DW4 35 per yr. If DJ is healthy and plays like he's played before I expect a top 5 offense.
 
Earl34 said:
Out of curiousity, do you even know how much other Texans QBs targeted Hopkins? Do you even realized that before Watson was drafted, in 2015, Hopkins was targeted 192 times? How about Watson has targeted Hopkins 174, 163 and 150. Notice a pattern? Also, the 174 targets during Watson's rookie season is not all on Watson. He only played in 7 games.

Before Watson was drafted, Hopkins was targeted 91, 127, 192, and 151 times. Seems to me, Hopkins' targets are a feature of O'Brien's offense. BTW, we've had this conversation before.
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I'm looking forward to the change.

I LOL at posters that say last yr BOB tried to hurt Nuk's career,
 
What in the heck is the front office thinking?!

They give away Hopkins for a broken RB and a bag of peanuts and then they trade those peanuts for a receiver that is just ok.
 
steelbtexan said:
If he could trade 40 for the Jags edge I would be on board. Of course that would mean Watt's gone when his contract is up. I would be ok with this.
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TheKDog said:
Will be more economical to restructure Watt. Already getting tight on capspace
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I don't look at Yannick Ngakoue as a Watt replacement. He looks more like an edge rusher, to me he would be a Mercilus replacement. Back to Cooks, anyone want to take an outrageously wayyy too soon stab at the WR depth chart?
 
badboy said:
If we are one good season away from SB indicating 2021 In my opinion we are in difficult times. Fuller, cooks and Johnson may be gone and an out of gate late draft in 3rd isn't going replace all three. This time next year we will be paying an astronomical amount for Watson or looking for Another starting QB. Watt may be gone with no way replace him unless this draft. Epenesa or James Lynch? Seems like Obrien needs be AFC coach in the Bowl this season.
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Cooks can replace what WFV gives you. (What do you do if WFV stays healthy and has a big yr?)

Stills or WFV will probably be re-signed (Not both.) This is why I want a late rd pick this yr to be spent on a WR that can learn this yr while providing ST's value. Guys like Tyrie Cleveland (Bring him home) as well as Derek Dillon are guys I'm looking at to fill this role. As well as drafting another guy late in the 2021 draft which is also supposed to be a really good WR draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
If he could trade 40 for the Jags edge I would be on board. Of course that would mean Watt's gone when his contract is up. I would be ok with this.
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In a New York minute! He just turned 25 Couple weeks ago. He would improve Watt in my opinion And probably get double-digit sacks himself. At 6 ft 2 he still got 6 PBU IIRC last season and 15 QBs! He would certainly help our DBs.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I don't look at Yannick Ngakoue as a Watt replacement. He looks more like an edge rusher, to me he would be a Mercilus replacement. Back to Cooks, anyone want to take an outrageously wayyy too soon stab at the WR depth chart?
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Sign Ngakoue he's Scarlett's replacement and cut Watt after next season, plus draft a developmental edge. If they draft an edge in this draft who do you think he's going to replace.

Nobody's going to replace Watt, especially when Watt was in his prime.
 
badboy said:
In a New York minute! He just turned 25 Couple weeks ago. He would improve Watt in my opinion And probably get double-digit sacks himself. At 6 ft 2 he still got 6 PBU IIRC last season and 15 QBs! He would certainly help our DBs.
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And posters were saying what would they do with him. LMAO
 
Riblet said:
What in the heck is the front office thinking?!

They give away Hopkins for a broken RB and a bag of peanuts and then they trade those peanuts for a receiver that is just ok.
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Maybe they dont think that WR is just OK.
 
steelbtexan said:
Even though they played K.C., Ravens/Pat's Titans twice etc.... Last year was by no means an easy schedule.
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On paper maybe? But each team was missing key components critical to their success much as Will Fuller is to the Texans or just not playing well and in a slump. KC for example had a banged up Mahomes who clearly should have been sidelined to recover, but I'll give you was about as well as an O'Brian offense and Crenell defense could play and just barely won. Pats in a down year really banged up too. But in a nutshell shouldn't the discussion be about results that manner, meaning, another level deeper into the playoffs instead of getting completely undressed when it counts the most?
 
steelbtexan said:
Cooks can replace what WFV gives you. (What do you do if WFV stays healthy and has a big yr?)

Stills or WFV will probably be re-signed (Not both.) This is why I want a late rd pick this yr to be spent on a WR that can learn this yr while providing ST's value. Guys like Tyrie Cleveland (Bring him home) as well as Derek Dillon are guys I'm looking at to fill this role. As well as drafting another guy late in the 2021 draft which is also supposed to be a really good WR draft.
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IMO, Fuller gone after this year regardless. probably same with Cooks as I expect him to get banged up Concussion or not. Stills may come back but may want killing on last contract. Cobb is the only one I see solid for 20 21. That's why I am hoping we get someone like Claypool this draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Or DW4'S throwing to him 150 times out of 334 attempts.
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You need to recheck your stats. Watson had 333 completions out of 495 attempts.

Obviously Watson subscribes to the "If you have a good horse you may as well ride him another mile" philosophy. He's actually in pretty good company.

Deshaun Watson to Deandre Hopkins: 150 targets of 495 attempts - 30%

Drew Brees to Michael Thomas: 185 targets of 378 attempts - 49%

Patrick Mahomes to Travis Kelce: 136 targets of 484 attempts - 28%
 
beerlover said:
On paper maybe? But each team was missing key components critical to their success much as Will Fuller is to the Texans or just not playing well and in a slump. KC for example had a banged up Mahomes who clearly should have been sidelined to recover, but I'll give you was about as well as an O'Brian offense and Crenell defense could play and just barely won. Pats in a down year really banged up too. But in a nutshell shouldn't the discussion be about results that manner, meaning, another level deeper into the playoffs instead of getting completely undressed when it counts the most?
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You already know my thoughts on 51-7.
 
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