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Bill's/TexanFan said:Mark has always been a singles hitter.....good block...no catch.
COLLEGE: Three-year starter who finished career as UW's school-record holder for catches by a tight end with 90, ranking eighth overall totaled 1,012 receiving yards to rank third on school receiving yardage list for a tight end
infantrycak said:Not exactly, that is just the way the Steelers used him after his rookie season.
Rookie year--caught 26 passes for 238 yards (9.2 avg.) and three TDs.
After that the Steelers only passed to him in the end-zone pretty much. Throughout training camp and the pre-season , Bruener has been doing a very good job of catching the balls thrown his way. IMO the Steelers were missing out on part of his game.
Bill's/TexanFan said:I've watch Mark his entire career and as I indicated earlier.....he was unworthy of being a number one draft choice. Keep in mind....the Steeler's didn't stop throwing to him for no reason. After a "reasonable" first year teams started paying a little more attention to him in the short areas and when that happened...it took away his game. Without the speed to get deep he is/was really limited.....most teams use only their strong side LB to cover him and when that happens the strong safety becomes a problem for your passing game. What we need is a TE who blocks like Bruener but catches and runs like Billy "Red" Miller.
Or on the IR. Too bad we wont see him for a long time though.texanfan said:A tight end who blocks like Bruener but catches and runs like Billy Miller. Sounds like they already have that tight end on the roster. Murphy.
El Tejano said:Or on the IR. Too bad we wont see him for a long time though.
infantrycak said:Joppru is on the PUP list and can start practicing after week 6. The Texans then have 21 days I believe to decide whether to add him to the active roster.
Bill's/TexanFan said:My other team, Buffalo, I know for a fact had some interest in Bennie but that interest ended when the Texans jumped for him with the 9th selection in round two (2). The Bill's felt he could linger until round number three.
I should point out that TE's such as L.J. Smith of the Eagles and Jason Witten of the Cowboy's were still on the board when Joppru was taken. Of course I'm leaving the door open for Texan "bu++ki$$er's" to rush in and say...."How was Casserly to know that those guys would be players?"
(But, in case they do....it's his job!)
Yeah, I would've double-bagged it.Bill's/TexanFan said:Of course "some people" will be quick to say "hindsight" but when we drafted B. Joppru with our second round draft selection I was just a little
Lucky said:Yeah, I would've double-bagged it.
Maybe if you had made your point prior to Joppru's injuries, someone might take you seriously. Instead you're just kicking someone while they're down. I really respect that. "Some people will be quick to say hindsight"...because it is hindsight.
Do your comments really advance your agenda?Bill's/TexanFan said:Of course "some people" will be quick to say "hindsight" but when we drafted B. Joppru with our second round draft selection ...
texanfan said:A tight end who blocks like Bruener but catches and runs like Billy Miller. Sounds like they already have that tight end on the roster. Murphy.
Mistril48 said:Do your comments really advance your agenda?
Let's look at the draft in question
Round 1. Andre Johnson (enough said)
Round 2. Benny Joppru (they traded back, together with a 4th, to get an extra 3rd pick and then took the guy that their staff had worked with for a week, AND KNEW WELL.
Round 3. Antwan Peek
. . . . . . Seth Wand
. . . . . . Tony Hollings pick (thru Oakland)
. . . . . . Dave Ragone
Round 4. Domanick Davis (rookie of the year)
Round 6. Drew Henson (becomes first day pick in 2005)
If you nit pick a selection in this draft (the first time in the history of the NFL that 2 rookies gained over 960 yards in the same year!!), you can't be a fan of this team.
Bummer that the Tacks are 1-2, with 2 home losses in division. They got within a yard and now it's all slipping away ...
infantrycak said:Not much of a stretch knowing for a fact that their interest ended when Houston took him--every team's interest ended at that point because he was off the board. Did the Bills hold a press conference and announce everyone they had an interest in and what round they thought they might have lasted to? I know for a fact the Texans' interest in Willis Mcgahee ended when the Bills took him in the 1st round. They felt he could linger to round 2. Uhh, sure....
There is no reason to believe that Casserly & Co. didn't think those guys would be good players. They had coached Joppru at the Senior Bowl and thought he would be better. So the correct question to pose to you is not how was Casserly to know that those guys would be players, but how was Casserly to know Joppru would have a freak injury that would keep him out this long?
As for your head shaking, after the Texans drafted Joppru in the 2nd are you seriously saying you thought they should have also drafted Witten in the 3rd?
aj. said:The "Tony Hollings pick" originated from a Texans' 3rd (83rd overall) and 7th round pick (262nd overall) in 2003.
Yes, I'm sure.Your sure about that huh?
Going into the draft, the Texans had three 3rd round selections (#67, #83, and #88).How many 3rd selections did the Texans have in 2003?
aj. said:Yes, I'm sure.
Going into the draft, the Texans had three 3rd round selections (#67, #83, and #88).
In the 2nd round of the 2003 draft, the Texans traded their 36th overall and a 4th rounder to New England in exchange for New England's 2nd rounder (41st overall - the Joppru pick) and NE's 3rd rounder (75th overall). In other words, the Texans moved down five spots in the 2nd round to select Joppru and pick up another 3rd rounder. The Pats selected Eugene Wilson with the 36th they acquired from the Texans. He is now their starting FS.
So after the trade with NE, the Texans had four 3rd round selections [67, 75 (from NE), 83, and 88].
They used #67 to take Peek, #75 to take Wand and #88 to take Ragone.
As I said before, in the third round the Texans traded pick #83 along with a 7th rounder to Oakland for the Raiders' 2004 2nd round pick. That 2nd rounder was ultimately used to select Hollings.
Any more questions?
Bill's/TexanFan said:By the way....when I said linger I did not say in the 2nd round.....I said 3rd. If you want to quote me at least get it right!
Uh... I know we used a 2nd round pick on Hollings. That's fairly common knowledge and exactly what I said in my last post -- a detail that you obviously missed.RB Tony Holling WAS selected with a second (2nd) round draft selection!
Where did I say anything about Hollings being a 3rd rounder? You need to take that up with Mistral.In an earlier post you said he was a third (3rd) rounder.....and as you have now made clear for other readers......he was not