ad is beter at play makeing so.... ad should win the spot =]
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ad is beter at play makeing so.... ad should win the spot =]
My bad. Instead of using the pronoun he, you should have simply begun your first sentence with the proper noun Jason Babin.
Anyway, I see your point and do agree there are some similarities between the two. That being said, Barwin has displayed much more athleticism than Babin, but both are/were athletic.
It still perplexes me why Babin failed. Was he really just not that good? Or did Capers ruin him by moving him to LB? I don't know, but I am with you in hoping Barwin fairs better than Babin did.
As you could see by my post, the majority of it was focused on those comparing Barwin to Nading and Bulman which is entirely ludicrous and is slightly racist because the only similarity between them is their skin color. As far as Babin is concerned, we could make the case that any DE/LB hybrid has the potential to be a bust like Babin. But it would seem the only DE/LB hybrids that get compared to him at the white ones.
Once again, it is similar to someone saying a black QB won't be a good passing QB because of other black QBs like Vince Young and Michael Vick.
When he isn't being compared to guys like Nading and Babin, I can see your point and agree with you. It is always risky when you take a player that is possibly a project. Maybe he turns out to be a quick learner because he certainly has the athleticism for the position. But it is entirely acceptable to be a bit nervous.
Actually, I was just thinking in terms of height/weight/hussle in making the Bulman/Nading comparison. I think they're Vanden Bosch/J.Allen types of guys that never seem to give up on a play. They aren't freakishly strong like Mario or super quick like Freeney but they get it done with hussle. That they happen to both be white is a "so-what" in my mind. Actually, compared to the other DEs, Barwin is a little light. He better be quick.You know I think you are just trying to get a rise out of people so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it is this type of thinking that really pisses me off. Its freakin reverse discrimination. People automatically assume that the white DE/LB is going to be exactly like the other white DE/LB that we have on our team. The only similarity between Nading/Bulman and Barwin is they are all white guys.
This is the same **** people did when we drafted Barwin and they compared him to Babin.
My 53.
QB: Schaub, Dan O, Grossman
RB: Slaton, Brown, Foster, Moats
FB: Leach, Grigbsy
WR: AJ, Walter, AD, Anderson, JJ,
TE: OD, Casey, Hill, Dreesen
OL: Brown, Pitts, Myers, Brisiel, Winston, Caldwell, Butler, Studdard
DE: Mario, A. Smith, Barwin, Bulman
DT: Okoye, Robinson, TJ, Cody, Okam
LB: DeMeco, Adibi, Cushing, Diles, Bentley, June
CB: Bennett, Drob, Reeves, Molden, Quin, McCain
S: Wilson, Ferguson, Barber, Nolan
K: Kris Brown
P: Matt Turk
If TJ goes on the PUP, I would imagine Nading or another DE would take his place. Maybe Jenkins if he is performing very well in pre-season.
This really isn't debatable. He has nowhere near the quickness, speed, or explosion of Santana Moss, Santonio Holmes, or Laverneus Coles in his prime. Those guys are special athletes that have the advantage when single covered against most teams' top CB. David Anderson has proven to be sure-handed and fairly proficient at working the middle of the field against nickel and dime defenders. I like the guy quite a bit but he doesn't have much in common with the guys you listed other than his height and occupation.
Caldwell has started at tackle. http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/caldwell_antoine00.htmlIf you cut Butler who is the backup tackle? We already would be in a bad spot if Brown or Winston got injured we'd be absolutely screwed in your scenario. What would you do shift Pitts outside and rotate Caldwell or Myers to G? Butler is going to stay, but I agree Studdard. I just am not even sure he's backup material at this point.
Caldwell has started at tackle. http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/caldwell_antoine00.html
Is he an NFL starting LT? No but neither is Butler. Anyone saying Butler was better than Salaam is fooling themselves. I think it was a money for Butler vs keeping a younger cheaper player with some upside. I also think releasing Salaam took a bit of pressure off Brown and told him he had to to it all this year. Brown will eat that up. Again I never said Butler will be cut just is bubble guy.
Caldwell has started at tackle. http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/caldwell_antoine00.html
Is he an NFL starting LT? No but neither is Butler. Anyone saying Butler was better than Salaam is fooling themselves. I think it was a money for Butler vs keeping a younger cheaper player with some upside. I also think releasing Salaam took a bit of pressure off Brown and told him he had to to it all this year. Brown will eat that up. Again I never said Butler will be cut just is bubble guy.
QB - Schaub / Orlovsky / Grossman - 3
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Leach / Grigsby - 6
WR - Johnson / Walter / Anderson / Davis / Jones - 5
TE - Daniels / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Studdard / Caldwell / White / Butler - 9
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Nading - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Cody / Okam - 4
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / McCain / Quin - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan / Wilson - 5
K - Brown / Turk - 2
=53. Although I do feel it is a little light on WR and heavy on TE's. I would have liked to have Bulman, as well as possibly TJ ( I said possibly, don't shoot me!) and dropped a CB & S. But which WR would beat out Hill or Casey? and Who in the secondary could I drop?
I've read most of the post here and have seen the roster predictions and I see a little problem with most, if not all. They seem to have forgotten the Long Snapper! Who will it be? Clark Harris is listed as the Texans LS, and if I recall, he was the one they picked up last year when Pittman got suspended. I guess the question is, will Kubes go with a proven LS in Harris or will he try "Thor" or maybe Dreessen? My guess is they stick with the proven veteran which means someone else gets cut at another spot.
Now, having said that, I think most of the "backup" spots will depend on whether or not a player is good at Special Teams. That's why I think Chaun Thompson is more likely to stay than Cato June, and Grigsby is more likely to stay than a 4th RB. JMHO!
I've read most of the post here and have seen the roster predictions and I see a little problem with most, if not all. They seem to have forgotten the Long Snapper! Who will it be? Clark Harris is listed as the Texans LS, and if I recall, he was the one they picked up last year when Pittman got suspended. I guess the question is, will Kubes go with a proven LS in Harris or will he try "Thor" or maybe Dreessen? My guess is they stick with the proven veteran which means someone else gets cut at another spot.
Now, having said that, I think most of the "backup" spots will depend on whether or not a player is good at Special Teams. That's why I think Chaun Thompson is more likely to stay than Cato June, and Grigsby is more likely to stay than a 4th RB. JMHO!