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2024 Texans off season

leebigeztx said:
I just don't know what to do about a safety that can't cover and is a poor tackler also. If he were a good tackler who can play close to the los, that's one thing,but a guy who does neither is a problem. Even with Kareem and his early struggles, he was a good tackler and he's not the biggest guy.
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I give him one more yr to get his stuff together and if it doesn't happen then moving on would be the prudent thing to do. 3 yrs is what I give auy to learn.
 
With Texans shutting down Derek Henry and seemingly Ryans can scheme, do we need DeVondre Sweat in round one?
 
badboy said:
With Texans shutting down Derek Henry and seemingly Ryans can scheme, do we need DeVondre Sweat in round one?
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Fair question, but I think Sweat helps your pass rush as much as he does your run defense. When I asked is Sweat Vea. Remember how Vea and Suh killed the inside of the pocket which allowed JPP and Shaq Barret to get after the qb. There were many times, even in the sb when they were the were occupying 3 ol players and those other guys were 1 v 1. That's how I see Sweat now
 
leebigeztx said:
Fair question, but I think Sweat helps your pass rush as much as he does your run defense. When I asked is Sweat Vea. Remember how Vea and Suh killed the inside of the pocket which allowed JPP and Shaq Barret to get after the qb. There were many times, even in the sb when they were the were occupying 3 ol players and those other guys were 1 v 1. That's how I see Sweat now
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Ok good discussion but why not Dorlus with 5 sacks and 9 passes defended and almost as effective at clogging the middle? If Dorlus can be had in round 3, would not that be a better move than Sweat in round one? These are the things that keep me awake at night.
 
badboy said:
Ok good discussion but why not Dorlus with 5 sacks and 9 passes defended and almost as effective at clogging the middle? If Dorlus can be had in round 3, would not that be a better move than Sweat in round one? These are the things that keep me awake at night.
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If you've defined this as a major need you take Sweat.

You can fill other needs like WR/RB/S/CB/Edge in rds 2-4 and through FA.
 
badboy said:
With Texans shutting down Derek Henry and seemingly Ryans can scheme, do we need DeVondre Sweat in round one?
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Yes! DT, Sweat has become my primary focus for the first pick. I'm also seriously considering the Longhorns MLB, Jaylan Ford (6-3 @ 241 lbs) as another can't miss prospect in RD2. Very similar to Kyle Hamilton, who the Texans missed out on in 2022. Add a couple of players like this and Ryans could just about have his 49'ers defense in Houston.
 
badboy said:
Ok good discussion but why not Dorlus with 5 sacks and 9 passes defended and almost as effective at clogging the middle? If Dorlus can be had in round 3, would not that be a better move than Sweat in round one? These are the things that keep me awake at night.
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I'm not going to say I've seen the player you're speaking of. Another guy I think has more juice than I 1st thought is McKinley Jackson of TAMU. Again, I'm just watching a game or so on some of these guys. I can see drafting 1 and signing 1. A guy like Hinish shouldn't see field unless injuries.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Yes! DT, Sweat has become my primary focus for the first pick. I'm also seriously considering the Longhorns MLB, Jaylan Ford (6-3 @ 241 lbs) as another can't miss prospect in RD2. Very similar to Kyle Hamilton, who the Texans missed out on in 2022. Add a couple of players like this and Ryans could just about have his 49'ers defense in Houston.
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Jalan Ford "can't miss 2nd round"? He should have come out after his Junior season when he had pretty decent stats. Why do we need another linebacker who cannot cover? He is really bad against slot receivers. Not sure why you are so enthused? Also, I cannot find him going anywhere in a mock before 4th round.
 
steelbtexan said:
If I'm Caserio, I pick him and put 10 pounds of muscle on him during the 2025 offseason and turn him into Waller. In the meantime during 2024 I use him as an option in the redzone. There's a lot of value in that. I've got him going in the 4th rd, where do you have him going?
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steelbtexan said:
If you've defined this as a major need you take Sweat.

You can fill other needs like WR/RB/S/CB/Edge in rds 2-4 and through FA.
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I really want a good RB from the draft but will the Texans take one with a prime pick like the second? I doubt it but I would love to see Trey Benson taken with the second.
He's a hard running downhill runner with great short area speed to go with it and hard to bring down. Good hands as a receiver and can run a spread offense or line up beside the QB so will translate to the NFL well.
If they don't take him, Audric Estime is also an excellent runner and could be had with one of our fourth rounders.
 
NFL teams over the cap in 2024:
Bills 43 million
Miami 41 million
Browns 13 million
Steelers 7.5 million
Denver 18 million
Chargers 35 million
Dallas 16 million
NO 87 million
Seattle 3 million

Some contracts will be reworked with money pushed into the future and there likely will be some trades. Also , perhaps some good players maybe cut as the new season begins.
Caserio impress me.
 
steelbtexan said:
If I'm Caserio, I pick him and put 10 pounds of muscle on him during the 2025 offseason and turn him into Waller. In the meantime during 2024 I use him as an option in the redzone. There's a lot of value in that. I've got him going in the 4th rd, where do you have him going?
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I'm thinking the same thing. Being 6'7 245lbs, that's alot to try to be a wr. Not to mention, I'm not sure he can stack a db. Now as a y flex te, I can really see that. Jimmy Graham in NO, was about the same size,but was a basketball player. Kelvin Benjamin tried to move to te until he ate himself out the nfl. James Hardy from Indy couldn't get off the press at 6'7. He could be a real weapon at 10. He doesn't have to be a great blocker, just a willing one. Shannon Sharpe played te at 220 and blocked for a bunch of 1500 yd rushers.
 
badboy said:
NFL teams over the cap in 2024:
Bills 43 million
Miami 41 million
Browns 13 million
Steelers 7.5 million
Denver 18 million
Chargers 35 million
Dallas 16 million
NO 87 million
Seattle 3 million

Some contracts will be reworked with money pushed into the future and there likely will be some trades. Also , perhaps some good players maybe cut as the new season begins.
Caserio impress me.
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He hasn't already impressed you?

They've got plenty of cap space and draft picks.
 
steelbtexan said:
Sweat would be really good value late in the 1st rd.

Sweat
Thomas
Best RB available and I would trade up some using one of the 4ths to get one of Benson/Allen/Irving

Best S prospect available. I like Barron from UT, but JB says he cant play and I'll admit that I'm terrible when it comes to S play.

What they've really gotta do is get Petrie back to playing within the scheme and quit freelancing so much. Right now Petie looks far more like Swearingen than Reid.
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I like the nickel out of Michigan. Mike something. He’s smaller but has great instincts. Good in both man and zone.
 
badboy said:
Greenard stats compare very closely to Montez Sweat who extended for 4 years at $98 million with a roster bonus in 2027 of $2 million. Caramba!
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Greenard has had a great year, but I wouldn’t want to offer him $ similar to Sweat. This is his first season where he’s been mostly healthy, but I’d want more than just 1 year of production.

Would you offer him an extension?
 
TexansFan15 said:
Greenard has had a great year, but I wouldn’t want to offer him $ similar to Sweat. This is his first season where he’s been mostly healthy, but I’d want more than just 1 year of production.

Would you offer him an extension?
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no. Just worked up contract offer for another team's FA that should cause controversy.
 
TexansFan15 said:
Greenard has had a great year, but I wouldn’t want to offer him $ similar to Sweat. This is his first season where he’s been mostly healthy, but I’d want more than just 1 year of production.

Would you offer him an extension?
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Do you think he's faking injury? Calling in sick? Do you want him to ignore doctors & push to come back from injury early?

What are we talking about here?
 
TexansFan15 said:
Greenard has had a great year, but I wouldn’t want to offer him $ similar to Sweat. This is his first season where he’s been mostly healthy, but I’d want more than just 1 year of production.

Would you offer him an extension?
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I would either sign Hunter or tag Greenard.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would either sign Hunter or tag Greenard.
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I think the tag is the most likely outcome for Greenard. If anything, it gives the team time to develop his replacement in-house. Which is the most preferred outcome seeing as the team will have to pay Anderson eventually.

Tag Greenard next season and hopefully Horton or another young player is brought in and developed to take his place before you have to pay Anderson/Stroud.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Tag Greenard next season
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The franchise tag for DEs is projected to be over $23 million. That's what Khalil Mack and Maxx Crosby make. No team will offer a deal like that to Greenard. There's a window to extend Grennard to something reasonable. If the Texans are spending top 5 DE money, they need to go after Danielle Hunter or Brian Burns. If they want to keep Greenard, a deal like Haasan Reddick's 3 year, $45 million would be more than fair.
 
Lucky said:
The franchise tag for DEs is projected to be over $23 million. That's what Khalil Mack and Maxx Crosby make. No team will offer a deal like that to Greenard. There's a window to extend Grennard to something reasonable. If the Texans are spending top 5 DE money, they need to go after Danielle Hunter or Brian Burns. If they want to keep Greenard, a deal like Haasan Reddick's 3 year, $45 million would be more than fair.
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I agree with this. A franchise tag for Greenard seems a little steep for him. I’d either let him walk and go after Hunter, or sign him 2 year deal.
 
Lucky said:
The franchise tag for DEs is projected to be over $23 million. That's what Khalil Mack and Maxx Crosby make. No team will offer a deal like that to Greenard. There's a window to extend Grennard to something reasonable. If the Texans are spending top 5 DE money, they need to go after Danielle Hunter or Brian Burns. If they want to keep Greenard, a deal like Haasan Reddick's 3 year, $45 million would be more than fair.
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3 years 47.25 m on PFF. I suppose for me, it would be on how the money is divided among the three years and how much is guaranteed. I did like his play overall this season but like Steelbtexan, I hesitate over his health.
 
Texansphan said:
Collins is gonna get PAID.
You cannot let him leave and land on another team.
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Agreed. The fact that this is his 1st 1000 yard season will be to our benefit because he won’t be paid top $ like Tee Higgins.

I’d still draft a WR to add depth, but it doesn’t have to be round 1 for me.

Day 2 WRs I like:
Tez Walker- he might go early day 2, so we’d have to move up
AD Mitchell- also early day 2 prospect
Ja’Lynn Polk
Brendan Rice
Ricky Pearsall- late day 2/early day 3. I’m interested to see how he performs at the senior bowl.
 
I believe that Caserio, Ryans, and Stroud have officially made themselves a FA destination.

Make every effort to sign Mike Evans and worry about another receiver later. Get a top flight TE, RB, and OT…..then hope everyone stays healthy.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I believe that Caserio, Ryans, and Stroud have officially made themselves a FA destination.

Make every effort to sign Mike Evans and worry about another receiver later. Get a top flight TE, RB, and OT…..then hope everyone stays healthy.
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You fine without spending top money on premium FA's? If you sign Evens this is essentially what you're doing.
 
ILB, Nate Landman had a pretty nice sophomore season with the Falcons. He’s an UDFA signing out of Colorado in 2022. 2022 was pretty much a PS season, but he had a big season in the NFL this year.

Problem, he’s an ERFA (Exclusive Rights Free Agent) and I‘m not 100% sure how easy it would be to sign him away from the Falcons. From what I understand, the Falcons can make him an offer and if he refuses to sign, he’d be forced to sit for the season.

If there’s a work around, I’d be curious what it could cost the Texans in a trade.
 
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Texansphan said:
Collins is gonna get PAID.
You cannot let him leave and land on another team.
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I don't want to jump on any player before we have to as we did with the Deshaun Watson . There remains a lot of time in next season to see how the team and the cap is going and then make a move. Loyalty goes two ways. Although Trent Brown found that not to be true.
 
badboy said:
I don't want to jump on any player before we have to as we did with the Deshaun Watson . There remains a lot of time in next season to see how the team and the cap is going and then make a move. Loyalty goes two ways. Although Trent Brown found that not to be true.
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I'm re-signing Collins this offseason, drafting a WR in the 1st rd and having Collins/Tank/1st rd pick as weapons for Stroud for the next 3 seasons.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm re-signing Collins this offseason, drafting a WR in the 1st rd and having Collins/Tank/1st rd pick as weapons for Stroud for the next 3 seasons.
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I could go with this if draft fell that way
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm re-signing Collins this offseason, drafting a WR in the 1st rd and having Collins/Tank/1st rd pick as weapons for Stroud for the next 3 seasons.
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Extending Nico Collins mid-season accomplishes the same thing as signing him months before plus it allows us to see how he's doing and if any new injury has impacted his game. I still shudder when I think of Watson being extended before he had to be.
 
TexansBull said:
Mike Evans will be 31 when the season starts.

That’s a tough sell.
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Thus far, age has been the least of Mike Evans worries. He just keeps churning out 1K seasons like they should be penciled in. Evans has been in a decent situation with TB, but to think about what he might do with Stroud, Collins, and Dell on the field with him at the same time.....I say he'd be in an A+ position. I believe Evans has another solid 3 years ahead of him b/c he's had zero reduction in his production on the field.

The biggest question, how much would it cost to secure his services? Market Value provided by Sportrac estimates his value at 4 years for 95.3M or 23.8M annually. Could the Texans swing this if he really became a target...yeah. The team could get creative if the desire hit them.

He finished just behind Nico this year in production, which means if I take everything into account, I'd be getting another Nico for more money. Are there enough offensive plays to give both Evans and Nico their throws along with Dell needing his targets? I've concluded that one of these receivers would see their production dip and the investment may not be worth it. So, getting another strong receiver should come via the draft while freeing up the teams cap space to address their current FA's, maybe locking up Nico, and focusing on a couple of strong defensive free agents.

I did a no-trade mock a few days back and upon reflection, I think this mock would give the Texans some crucial answers that could push some FA's out, which frees up some of the available cap to address the defense. This is the mock:

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What’re y’all’s thoughts on adding Jeremy Chinn in the offseason to a prove it deal? I don’t think Antine Winfield Jr will be available, and I think we need to address S. Chinn had a great few years at the beginning of his career, but due to coaching changes wasn’t used well by the new regime. He had a down year with playing time and injury. I think a prove it deal to pair him with Ward and Pitre might be worth exploring.
 
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