2-14 excuse for the coaching getting old.

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  1. dat_boy_yec

    dat_boy_yec All Pro

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    I can understand that he's a rookie head coach and getting his feet wet. However people say he inherited a 2-14 team like it's gospel. Like we're just supposed to accept that and all it's implications without question and validate it as a reason. Guess what it's not an excuse. Last yr. our biggest gripe was that the coaching sucked and that was our main reason for our record. By that implication even without personnel changes we should expect a turnaround. Since coaching was our biggest problem the new coaching staff should be making the biggest impact. However alot of people are totally blaming the personnel. Here's some news no team works with nothing but pro-bowler's on their team. Our team was better then their record indicated last yr. and the whole he inherited a 2-14 team is not a valid excuse. The biggest problem was identified as the coaching, well guess what that coaching staff is gone we should already be seeing results. A competitive team not a team that get's blown out every game. Kubiak needs to get it together and do something before the end of this season. We as fans should not have to make excuses for him. He is what he is and if he doesn't get this team to improve then he isn't what we thought he would be. I don't care about giving him time, but man getting blown out so much. He has to bear a lot of responsibility. Which he does, but we gotta stop making excuses for him.
     
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    I completely agree. So, stop crying like a little girl, and root for your team like they are the best franchise in the NFL.



    At least till the end of the season.
     
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    I find it hard to believe that 2 entire coaching regime's can be this terrible. Therefore, I doubt the problem is Kubiak. We don't have the right players. I don't know for sure if its the wrong players for the system or if our overall talent just really sucks, but it's the players. I don't mean to put down your argument here because I'm really sick of rooting for a hopeless cause myself, but I respectfully disagree.

    To go a little further, I disagree with those who say that we are not making the right play-calls, at least to the point where it's a real problem. Those wanting more passing or deeper pass plays for instance I disagree with because our opponents are stopping the run with defensive play-calling that is designed to stop the pass. Their front 4 are stopping the run all on their own and their pass coverage is deep. We can't even run against deep pass coverage defensive plays. It's pathetic. The only thing we can do is throw all of those short passes and that's not Carr's fault, or the receivers', or the coaches'. It's the crappy running game. On defense, it's just a matter or being worn out physically and mentally (from watching the offense dink, dunk, and punt), which is why we get killed in the second half.
     
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    I do agree that Kubiak and co. need to do anything they can think of that might help and that drastic measures may very well be in order. I just don't think it's Kubiak's fault to the extent that we need to be considering replacing a new coach that came onto this disaster of a team. I disagree with trading Morency (until proven wrong) and letting Wand go (because our backups are worse), but it's his show and we've got to give him time to run it.
     
  5. joedinkle

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    Fair weather fans suck more than the Texans. That being said, I expect us to win this Sunday, just as I blindly expected us to win against Philly, and the Colts, and etc. If we lose, there's always next Sunday. We will get better. Just give it time.
     
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    I do think a few deep pass tries might have helped in some situations, but not last Sunday against the Cowboys who were sitting back there waiting for it. If you can't run at least adequately against nothing but the front 4, you are in for a looooooong day.
     
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    you don't think fumbling, wasting snaps, Sacks, & turnovers out of the passing game(our RBs only lost one fumble this year) have anything at all to do with it??

    I agree, our running game could be better, but our passing game has problems of it's own as well.

    Mistakes. If we can stop making mistakes, we'd be allright.
     
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    I'd say those are problems that would keep us out of the playoffs this year (probably). The running game, on the other hand, is a major problem that will give us another top 5 pick guaranteed, unless it somehow gets better. If you're implying that Carr is the problem, I completely disagree. Some of that was his fault, but I doubt I'd even blame him for half of it. Things like getting blindsided 2 seconds after the snap and fumbling are not the QB's fault in my opinion. If he wasn't getting his head bashed in, he wouldn't be fumbling. Even that I believe was just part of the Colts game.

    Now, you look at the two picks Sunday. What I saw there was a QB trying to make something happen with nothing. You can't run....period....end of story. Nobodies open deep and all the short passes aren't getting anything going after the catch. The defense is getting worn out and you've got one thing left to do. FORCE IT. It's no surprise to anyone that he was picked and that probably includes him. He shouldn't have tried it, but I believe most people in that situation would've done the same thing. It was the only chance they had, if you even want to call that a chance.

    I keep going back and forth on what exactly is wrong with the running game, but I feel very much that it's the running game that's killing us.
     


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    Also, they've only had one fumble, but you might as well take one step back and drill a pass into the dirt as hand them the ball. Maybe it's the blocking (probably), but the running game is uuuuuugly.
     
  10. Wolf

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    we have new schemes on both sides of the ball .. takes time to jell.

    however if we are still getting blown out later in the season, eyebrows will be raised.
     
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    So far, everything's going along pretty much as I expected. Except that I expected a little bit more out of our running game and our defensive line. I don't know what expectations you had. Were you expecting a winning season?

    We suck and we've played a bunch of teams that don't or at least not as much as we do. That's always a bad combination. Placing blame for why we suck isn't exactly making excuses. It's just a post-mortem for suckage.

    I don't think any of us want Kubiak to be a bad coach. He is a very good OC. Hopefully he is (or soon will be) a good HC. It took Belichick some time to grow into it; hopefully it won't take Kubes as long. Most of us are looking for other reasons for our suckage (besides the coaching)... and personnel choices from the past regime is an easy target for that because there's probably more than a little truth to it.

    So, let's give it some time. Let's get to the part of the season where we actually have a good chance to win some games before getting all freaky. And, personally, I really don't expect to win this weekend and I didn't expect to win last weekend.
     
  12. FanFromCali

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    I respect people's opinion that the coaching staff is not doing a good job, but I think it was way off base...

    What did you expect? The team was the worst in the NFL last year. Let me say it again because as much as it hurts, it needs to be said. The Texans were the absolute worst team in the NF, and the reality is you don't hire a new head coach and expect to automatically make the playoffs. The team just does not have the players…yet.

    Brian Bilicheck had a below average (crappy) record before he got to the Patriots. Did he all of a sudden become a great head coach, or did he get the right players for his system? I suggest it is the latter.

    Despite the record this team has shown improvement and with some of the tougher games behind they have a chance at five wins. That might not sound like much but it would be more than double what the team had last year. With what he has our coach is doing a good job.

    My point is this: I know it sucks to be a fan of a team that has struggled for so many years. But changes take time. We have we have a few good young players to build around but we need a lot more. Just think about how sweet it will be when fans like us who were around for the rough years get to see the team be successful.
     
  13. FirstTexansFan

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    The difference, we blind homer fans don't post every fricking 2 mins with something positive about our team. (notice my post count, and length of time I've been a member here). We sit here in shock as we're inundated with post after post from some moron that believes he's more intelligent than an NFL Owner, Coach or player. Now THAT's truly ANNOYING! :)
     
  14. NederlandTexan

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  15. brewhaus

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    It seems to me the biggest problem the coaching staff is facing is not being able to motivate the players on our team. I am not going to second guess there knowledge of the game, and I think that the entire staff is of the highest caliber. But ****, if the players don't care about the outcome of the game, all the "great schemes" in the world are not going to work.

    And the way the Texans just "quit playing" at the end of the Dallas game is reason enough to make plans to ship them all out next year and get some players in here that are "PLAYERS"...
     
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    Belechick still took the 5-11 Browns to a 11-5 playoff year within the Texans time frame existence, though-yes, overall, he had a losing record at Cleveland. At age 37 (youngest coach in the NFL), B took over the Browns in '91 and had them in the 2nd round of the play-offs in '94.

    He began his Pats 'Dynasty' in his 2nd year with the Pats and has had the winningest record in the NFL since--only HC in NFL history to win 3 SB's.
     
  17. thunderkyss

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    I'd have to imagine the Tennessee Titans thought the same thing when they played the Miami & the Cowpokes. They avg'd 2.8 ypc on 22 carries against Miami, for 62 yards, & 2.9 ypc on 27 carries for 78 yards against Dallas. Then all of a sudden, their running game all of a sudden got better, running 6.9 ypc against Indy, and 4.7 ypc against Washington...... two teams that our defense kept our running game off the field.

    So I do agree that the run game is a problem for us, I don't believe we have had ample opportunity to see exactly what is going on their. The three games it looked like there was something there, Philly, Indy, & Washington, we didn't run the ball.... The two games where it looked pathetic, was against two teams that makes everybodies run game look pathetic.

    & I am not trying to blame David Carr for anything. But the passing game isn't good enough to open up any running game. We still have to keep too many players back in protection to get enough recievers in play. & still David doesn't have the time he needs to assess the field, and make the best throw.
    If the QB can't feel that backside pressure too often, he's in for trouble. I won't blame the QB for getting blindsided, I won't blame the QB for getting stripped, but I will blame the QB for coughing up the ball when blindsided.
    We have to define open...... I also have to give David the benefit of the doubt, because I can't see the recievers when he makes his decision. However, If you got Moulds, or AJ in single coverage, you take that shot.

    His pass to AJ that got tipped, was without a doubt, not his fault. That was an amazing play by Bradie James, and GregEllis. He should take that throw every time, until someone else proves they can make the play Bradie did.
    Doesn't matter, as long as he's getting 3 to 4 yards per completion. according to his stats, I think we were getting 6..... so all we had to do was be patient, and keep picking up first downs.
    There was no chance at all. The problem was that he stared AJ down. Looking at the tape, there is no evidence that AnthonyHenry ever turned his back to David Carr. He simply stared him down, and waited for the throw. If you are the QB, and you're looking at that reciever that long, and you don't see the CB looking right back at you, then you've got problems. It should be relatively easy to figure out what kind of coverage is going on their, and move on in your progression(this is something David has said GK talked to him about before the season...... something GK has said he talked to David about before the season.... something we all said we hoped David would stop doing before the season... one of those rookie mistakes our 5 year vet shouldn't be making). He had plenty of time. no one was even close to him.
    Our running backs are doing as well as Edgerin James, and LarryJohnson, except that we've run against better defenses. We've spent the entire summer, and a full week of the bye week teaching our OL how to run the ZBS. Not once have we heard our coach say, "Bye George, I think they've got it" instead, the last thing I heard him say, was that we are at the prelimanary(sp) stage.
     
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    like I said, we didn't run against the marshmallow D's that we should have. Philly, Indy, & Washington, for reasons unrelated to the running game.

    Defensively, ypc against the run, it's Baltimore, Dallas, then Miami, with Miami giving up 3.0 ypc..... Pitts, Chicago, & Seattle are good, but not as good, all three giving up more than 3.0 ypc.

    Denver & SanDiego compare more to Washington's run D, giving up more than 3.5 ypc.
     
  19. Double Barrel

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    Considering most of the players that Kubiak has cut have not been picked up by other teams, I'd say it's a talent issue (or lack thereof). Face it, Casserly was a horrible GM, and our scouts are bottom of the barrel. We have to change the talent in the FO before we can expect to have any depth on this team. Picking your first/second round picks is easy enough, but the true talent of a staff is finding gems in later rounds, which we've never been good at.

    Blaming Kubiak for this mess just five games into a season is silly.
     
  20. threetoedpete

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    You're waisting your bandwideth DB. He's got Carr in the coffin and out to the grave. He's going to beat that drum till the cows come home. There are none so blind who refuse to see.
     

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