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Todd McShay's AFC South Draft Rankings

GuerillaBlack said:
Is this guy dumb? Listen to what he says on the Texans (at 1:15). Supposedly we moved up for Duane Brown and gave up a lot in the process.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?&brand=null&videoId=3372464&n8pe6c=2
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Wow. I agree with him completely if he was correct. The problem is he isn't right so I don't agree with his reasoning. LOL.

I pray Brown develops as a great LT, I understand the 'experts' saying that it's a reach and that its a risky pick. I would agree with McShay if we had moved back up into the 1st round to draft him (as in giving up other picks to select him). However, it's a whole different ball game moving down to select him AND getting 2 other selections.

I think he's just having to do all the teams closely together and got confused. I'm sure right after he recorded/said this and realized he was wrong he felt like an ***** but probably realized 85% of the people watching him wouldn't care or even realize.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Wow. I agree with him completely if he was correct. The problem is he isn't right so I don't agree with his reasoning. LOL.

I pray Brown develops as a great LT, I understand the 'experts' saying that it's a reach and that its a risky pick. I would agree with McShay if we had moved back up into the 1st round to draft him (as in giving up other picks to select him). However, it's a whole different ball game moving down to select him AND getting 2 other selections.

I think he's just having to do all the teams closely together and got confused. I'm sure right after he recorded/said this and realized he was wrong he felt like an ***** but probably realized 85% of the people watching him wouldn't care or even realize.
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I wonder how many screwups you get in that business ?
 
We gave up a lot to move UP in the draft to get Brown, huh? Wow. It just goes to show these types on analysts don't know a damn thing about what they speak, they are reading something someone handed to them.

For Gods sake, did guy even watch the draft?
 
Hard to believe this guy gets paid to do this. I mean, he's so freaking lucky to get to do what he does for a living and then he's clearly not even passionate about it. How do I know he's not passionate about it? BECAUSE NOBODY COULD EVER BE SO FREAKING WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT!!!

Sorry, sometimes I get upset about the wrong I see in everyday life...
 
Just consider him (and his ilk) the weathermen of the NFL. Paid to make predictions, regularly proven wrong, and nobody cares.

The only folks who are actually worth paying attention to (other than getting your offseason fix leading up to the draft) are the GM's Scouts and coaches. It may take a year or three, but if they make mistakes, they're looking for a new job.
 
Thorn said:
We gave up a lot to move UP in the draft to get Brown, huh? Wow. It just goes to show these types on analysts don't know a damn thing about what they speak, they are reading something someone handed to them.

For Gods sake, did guy even watch the draft?
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What he probably meant was that we gave up selecting a lot of good players in order to 'move' Brown 'up' the board or something like that. Obviously Kiper liked Brown more than McShay and McShay was basically stating that Brown was a reach. Kiper had him as a 2nd Rounder so its not entirely out of the question to move a player up a round if its an area of critical need. I may disagree with them but they felt an OL in the 1st Round was an area of critical need that superceded all other needs. They are the ones making the decisions so hopefully they are right on this one because at face value its not the best move.
 
Thorn said:
We gave up a lot to move UP in the draft to get Brown, huh? Wow. It just goes to show these types on analysts don't know a damn thing about what they speak, they are reading something someone handed to them.

For Gods sake, did guy even watch the draft?
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Yeah, he's thinks that "gave up" = not getting *any* extra picks. Bottom line -- We wanted an LT (pun not intended) for pass protection and for our RB scheme. Plus a CB/RB.

Matt Schaub is no sack magnet like Carr. But we definitely want to give him more time to pass. Especially inside the 20.

Matt Schaub = 11G, sacked 16 times in 2007 for 126 yards lost.
Jon Kitna = 16G, sacked 51 times in 2007 for 320 yards lost (2007 leader).
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David Carr = 16G, sacked 49 times in 2004 for 301 yards lost.
David Carr = 16G, sacked 68 times in 2005 for 424 yards lost.
David Carr = 16G, sacked 41 times in 2006 for 240 yards lost.
 
McShay: "The Titans didn't draft a wide receiver until the 4th round."

OK, so he would be OK with the Titans drafting Lavelle Hawkins in the 2nd round? Then, they wouldn't have waited until the 4th. Hawkins had a better season as a receiver than his teammate, DeSean Jackson, who was selected in the 2nd. Had the Titans taken Jackson in the 1st round, McShay would have been happy.

Todd McShay is a wiener. The absolute worst of the internet scouts.
 
Tailgate said:
This tard also has us going backwards next year in his 09 mock draft...picking 12. Does he not know that by simply getting healthy and older we should be a better team next year? Not even speaking of additions via FA, coaching additions, or draft picks.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3372132&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft08%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dmcshay_todd%26id%3d3372132
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Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back
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As much as I want to like what you're saying... I just don't believe they're moving Molden to saftey. If we wanted a saftey in the third we would have drafted one. Molden and Bennett I believe are our future at CB, which means Dunta is either going to move to saftey or he's gone as soon as his contract is up. :twocents:
 
people calm down, this is the same dumbass that would take chris long over mario because his forty time was better, call him the village ***** that gets out for the draft
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back
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If thats the case I think we pretty much got the superbowl wrapped up.
 
Since I'm not very opinionated or outspoken I just left it alone.

Since that is a complete lie I called their support line and told them he is just one example of why I will NEVER subscribe to ESPN. Maybe he'll get fired. Hell I can do his job. Imagine your only job is to scout talent and then report on it. Then once a year you get PAID to be at the draft. And when you can't talk about what happened.... WOW.

Mike
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back
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I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike
 
Anyone notice how many hits you get when you type in "Todd McShay is an i*diot"?

Apparently we are not the only ones that feel that way. He obviously can't even take the time from his busy schedule to read a draft board.
 
Texanmike said:
I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike
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I've seen several places that mention that. I don't think there's really any merit to it though. I believe we drafted him for what he is and what we need, a space eating defensive tackle to stop the run, take on double teams and free up Mario and Amobi to rush the passer.

If gibbs likes his lineman on the lighter side... why'd they draft a 340 some odd pound DT to switch positions to one he's has never played at? Not coming down on you personally, but just that I think this is a rumor that's getting spread around the internet that I think is false.
 
Texanmike said:
I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike
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I believe that was yahoo. Vinny elequintly stated he nees to go back to watching water boil.
 
McShay used to be fairly open on the outcome of players that he didn't really expect a lot out of. in other words, if there was a prospect he didn't like, he would still say something nice about him on air or on page. now, he seems to be aiming for that jerky draft guy.
 
Texanmike said:
I can't provide a link, but I saw somewhere that we may turn Okam into a G. "Athletic DT's make very good and cheap G's" I'll look to see where I saw it when I get to work tomorrow.

Mike
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Houston Texans
Picks: OT Duane Brown, CB Antwaun Molden, RB Steve Slaton, LB Xavier Adibi, DT Frank Okam, S Dominique Barber, QB Alex Brink
Positives: Brown, Slaton and Okam
Negatives: Molden
Bottom line: B. Give Houston a lot of credit for maneuvering around the draft, particularly after a mid-first round run on offensive linemen left the Texans without great choices at the No. 18 spot. They slid back to get Brown at No. 26, nabbing a need player at a better value spot. You also have to love the speed of Slaton, who can change a game in a hurry. However, Molden is too raw and the downside of Slaton is that he doesn’t like contact, making him a predictable runner. Okam, a former defensive tackle, is likely to shift to guard, a clever move by teams that realize that non-athletic DTs can make for cheap, athletic G’s.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-2008afcdraftgrades042808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Rofl, what made me laugh is that they call him a former defensive tackle before it's even official that we would move him to guard. I seriously doubt this and I wonder where this guy got his info.
 
JCTexan said:
As much as I want to like what you're saying... I just don't believe they're moving Molden to saftey. If we wanted a saftey in the third we would have drafted one. Molden and Bennett I believe are our future at CB, which means Dunta is either going to move to saftey or he's gone as soon as his contract is up. :twocents:
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Nah, I think Molden either stays at nickle or moves to safety. It'll take a while to get him up to speed from Eastern Kentucky to the NFL.

If Bennett takes a step back, and God I hope he doesn't, he'll move to nickle.

We'll still need 3 top-knotch CBs.
 
this isn't college. teams don't normally shift guys from defense to offense, or vice versa. Okam will obviously play DT.
 
Okam, a former defensive tackle, is likely to shift to guard, a clever move by teams that realize that non-athletic DTs can make for cheap, athletic G’s.
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So non-athletic DT's means they can switch to OG in Gibbs' ZBS where the #1 priority is Athleticism?
 
AnthonyE said:
Nah, I think Molden either stays at nickle or moves to safety. It'll take a while to get him up to speed from Eastern Kentucky to the NFL.

If Bennett takes a step back, and God I hope he doesn't, he'll move to nickle.

We'll still need 3 top-knotch CBs.
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What is this board obsession with moving CB's to Safety?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Because we don't have any players that are fast with good hands playing a free safety position.
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I agree but I think this staff has made it at least a little less nebulous, they aren't interested in the proto-typical ballhawking FS. Although I'll admit three years now we find out Smith loosely runs a left-right defensive scheme.Last year as well as other positions our secondary was hit hard even before the season started.

We can't even get a guy on the field that, while he has a great natural abilities, didn't even play Division one football(at CB) without thinking maybe not only can he make the leap to the NFL but change positions too?
 
Goldensilence said:
I agree but I think this staff has made it at least a little less nebulous, they aren't interested in the proto-typical ballhawking FS. Although I'll admit three years now we find out Smith loosely runs a left-right defensive scheme.Last year as well as other positions our secondary was hit hard even before the season started.

We can't even get a guy on the field that, while he has a great natural abilities, didn't even play Division one football(at CB) without thinking maybe not only can he make the leap to the NFL but change positions too?
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I realize all that. I was just answering the question about why we, as a group, seem to be so intent on converting our best CB's into FS's.
 
AnthonyE said:
Nah, I think Molden either stays at nickle or moves to safety. It'll take a while to get him up to speed from Eastern Kentucky to the NFL.

If Bennett takes a step back, and God I hope he doesn't, he'll move to nickle.

We'll still need 3 top-knotch CBs.
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Why would they move him to safety though? They have Demps and about 3 SS's. I expect Molden to start out as the nickle then work his way into the #2 CB position ahead of Reeves. Dunta's contract is up at the end of the season, so if Molden & Bennett work out as the #1 and #2 CB I could see letting Dunta walk.
 
I don't see Dunta walking...

If anything, I see one of them moving to Free...
 
The only scenario I could see happening is maybe Dunta loses a step and they move hims to SS. He does hit like a truck. I too believe Molden and Bennett will be our 1 and 2 and Demps will be our FS till we can upgrade. If by some chance Dunta doesn't ever fully recover he will probably be released or traded at the end of the season. Hopefully Reeves can play NB at least adequately then we have the rest for backups and Dime/Quarter DB's .
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.
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That is how I imagine it going down.
 
beerlover said:
look @ his eyes, dudes overworked & needs a break. we all make mistakes :spit:
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I was watching one of the segments where they were grading the teams in each division. Both he & Kiper were asked to pick a team from each division that did the best job during the draft, and the the team that did the worst from that division in the draft. They get to the NFC North and McShay says that the Vikings did the best job in the draft since they were able to get Jared Allen in a trade, and then goes on to say that the Giants did the worst for the NFC North because he didn't feel that Phillips was worth a 1st Round pick. When Trev tried to politely let him know that the Giants, of course, are part of the NFC East McShay had a look on his face that was simply priceless. It's the look you'd expect to see from someone if their brain short-circuited. Completely dumbfounded one second, and confused the next second.
 
Polo said:
I don't see Dunta walking...

If anything, I see one of them moving to Free...
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So if Bennett continues playing like he did last year & Molden plays close to the same level as Bennett you couldn't see letting Dunta go to another team? I understand moving Dunta to safety but I don't think he would be happy there.

TK_Gamer said:
If by some chance Dunta doesn't ever fully recover he will probably be released or traded at the end of the season.
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His contract is up at the end of the season.
 
I don't think McShay should be getting a pass from anyone because he was tired and blah blah blah. He's the self proclaimed "expert", he gets paid to do this, if he can do it accurately then get someone else or get a group of people, one per division. He has staffers, he should proof read! He's in the media, isn't that covered in like, I don't know, day 1 of Jouranlism class?

But this one comment from the link on the first page cracked me up. This was in response to the Todd's evaluation.

Once again, Toddy didn't do any homework. Houstonians are tired of East Coasters who can tell you exactly where a mole on Tom Brady's butt is located, but can't give an educated comment on any subject two inches outside of their brain dead bubbles. McShay should be asahmed, but of course he won't be.
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IIRC, McShay also said we traded UP to get Brown and gave up a lot to do it. Another spot on assesment.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Well here's how I see it going down... we're picking 12 because we traded Sage to a desperate team whose starting QB got injured at the beginning of the season. We received their '09 3rd round pick and swapped 1st rd picks if they were to pick before us. With that said, Malcolm Jenkins would be a bad pick we don't need (I really like the guy) because Dunta comes back 100% and is a great #2 CB for us, Bennett continues to improve and becomes our #1 CB. Reeves proves to be an excellent 3rd CB on the team and Molden just misses out on being named DROY (Xavier Adibi wins it at WLB), Molden becomes our Free Safety with Harrisson/Barber backing him up, Demps is our starting SS with Brown/Earl backing him up. At LB we have SLB Diles (named sophmore mvp of the team), MLB Demeco, and rookie DROY WLB Adibi.

That's why we select Greg Hardy in the 1st round to get our Pass Rushing DE that finishes off our Defense. Okam, over the course of the season proves he's the starting DT next to Amobi.

Mario--Amobi--Okam--Hardy
...Diles----Demeco----Adibi...
Bennett-----------------Dunta...
......Demps.........Molden.....

On offense we have:
LT: Brown
LG: Pitts
C: Myers
RG: Spencer
RT: Winston
QB: Schaub
WR: Johnson
WR: Davis
WR: Jones
TE: Daniels
RB: Stud Rookie RB in the 2nd rd + Steve Slaton change of pace back
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That's a tiny linebacking group. But someone said with Okam in the middle it compensates for DeMeco's size. Still...
 
JCTexan said:
So if Bennett continues playing like he did last year & Molden plays close to the same level as Bennett you couldn't see letting Dunta go to another team?
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No.

I understand moving Dunta to safety but I don't think he would be happy there.
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I wouldn't move Dunta to safety if he shows that he's on his way to returning to form. If he is progressing back towards his pre-injury form then I'd look at moving Bennett.
 
Polo said:
I wouldn't move Dunta to safety if he shows that he's on his way to returning to form. If he is progressing back towards his pre-injury form then I'd look at moving Bennett.
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Bennet has nice size and speed for saftey. He is also not afraid to lower the boom. If Dunta and Moulden are our CB's and Demps and Bennet are our SS and FS respectfully, then our secondary will look good.
 
Ok look, if Dunta has a full recovery, then he will remain a starter at CB. That would mean that the other starter would be Bennett. That then leaves Mouldon as the Nickel CB. Of course, everyone could be wrong and the Texans could go to a rotation system with their CB's similar to the way that they rotate DT's. In such a case, the term starter loses much of its meaning.
 
BattleRedToro said:
Ok look, if Dunta has a full recovery, then he will remain a starter at CB. That would mean that the other starter would be Bennett. That then leaves Mouldon as the Nickel CB. Of course, everyone could be wrong and the Texans could go to a rotation system with their CB's similar to the way that they rotate DT's. In such a case, the term starter loses much of its meaning.
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Its not a bad idea to keep em fresh. Also doesnt allow you to game plan as much since you never know which 2 are gonna be on the field. But, if Dunta is fully recovered, its hard to leave a talented guy on the bench. Both Bennet and Moulden have bits in their scouting report that says they could play FS if they had to.
 
I think most draft guys are full of it. Mostly because no human being can know anything more than the superficial for 32 teams and that many draftees. And draft grades are the worst. Dr. Z has given the Texans a D and a D+ for the years Kubiak has been drafting. At least he got rid of his letter grades. So I decided this year to grade the draft experts.

Grading The Draft 'Experts' Using the Houston Texans as an Example
 
Texans_Chick said:
I think most draft guys are full of it. Mostly because no human being can know anything more than the superficial for 32 teams and that many draftees. And draft grades are the worst. Dr. Z has given the Texans a D and a D+ for the years Kubiak has been drafting. At least he got rid of his letter grades. So I decided this year to grade the draft experts.

Grading The Draft 'Experts' Using the Houston Texans as an Example
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Excellent work. I actually mentioned this to a friend the other day. Why don't they start having shows which go back over a few year period and showing so called draft gurus where they keep getting it wrong. Half have no clue what they are talking about. Thanks for writing that up!
 
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