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QB Quinn Gray (update) signs with Texans

DiehardChris said:
From PFT.

More 'we're about to trade Sage' talk in 3...2.....1....
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OMG we are about to trade Sage!

Actually, truthfully, I like Sage, but Gray is more than adequate security if Schaub goes down. I like Gray a lot so IMO if we could get a 3rd for Sage and still not lose anything at our back up position then I am all for it.

Then we could argue about who should start, Gray or Schaub.
 
The question is whether the Texans can find another backup QB that can give them 90 cents on the Sage dollar.

If they can, then trading a player (Sage) that was picked up as a UFA for close to NFL minimum two years ago and turning that into a 2nd round pick (not a 3rd), is a no brainer.

But the price needs to be right, and the replacement capable. Is Quinn Gray worth a second round pick? Hell no. But neither was Sage two years ago.
 
I look at it like an insurance policy. Gray's not as good as Sage, but if we get an offer we can't refuse for Sage - we're not caught with our pants down... like say, we would be if our only other backup was Craig Nall or someone like that.

Also, as usual, I agree with everything AJ said. LOL.
 
get something while the getting is good. if minnesota throws in a 6th round with their early 3rd rounder to compensate for the Myers signing, I think we have to think about trading our backup Sage. He is going to want to leave the Texans next year in just about every scenario except complete Schaub ineptitude or poor health.

Why not bring someone else in and get while the gettin is good. A great backup is a luxury that the Texans may not need to afford. There are backups out there that wouldn't be horrible alternatives. I want a 2nd for Sage but after the Myers signing maybe a 3rd and a 5th or 6th rounder gets the job done.

I love Sage but you gotta be open to moving him if you can get something in return. Some guys will become available here over the next few months in particular. The Bucs have a glut of QBs and they can't keep em all on that roster.
 
DiehardChris said:
I look at it like an insurance policy. Gray's not as good as Sage, but if we get an offer we can't refuse for Sage - we're not caught with our pants down... like say, we would be if our only other backup was Craig Nall or someone like that.

Also, as usual, I agree with everything AJ said. LOL.
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Well, now that we are going to be running a true Gibbs style stretch offense, I think a more athletic QB makes sense. So, a guy like Gray that has good wheels and can chunk the ball should be able to handle the system for a couple of weeks at a time very effectively.
 
What was his starting record last year? 2-2? I remember when what his face went down with an injury he did a good job of running the offense. And its not like the Jags have any receivers to speak of.
 
I really havn't followed Gray that much but whenever I saw him come in and play or even start last year for the Jags I kind of liked him. Just looking at his stats he seems inconsistent but thats easy to improve on in this system. 10 TD's - 5 INT aint bad but those are stats. Generally I don't put a lot of thought into stats. Would he be a good fit in this system? I assume so if we're bringing him in.

I think Gray could be just fine as a back up for Schaub. The Vikings are really the only team we've heard are really interested. So we really need to not just value Sage as a 2nd or a 3rd but value him as in what #pick in the draft. The 63rd pick in this draft is a 2nd rd pick. The 64th pick is a 3rd rounder. Those don't have significant value differences at all. Of course we aren't talking about those specific picks though.

Minnesota has the 10th pick (73rd overall= 225pts) and the 19th pick (82nd overall=180 points) in the third round. If the Texans wanted Minnesota's 2nd round pick (16th in 2nd round, 47th overall =430 points). These are from the pick value chart which is dated and only a general rule of thumb. But if we Value Sage as a mid 2nd rd pick, both of Minnessota's 3rds wouldn't get it done. I think they wouldn't offer both and if they did, we'd take it in a heart beat. 2nd round i think gets overplayed and that when it's all said and done, we'd probably take a late 2nd round pick which is NOT the same as an early 2nd round pick. I have nothing to base my opinion on though...

I like Sage a lot alot a lot, but I think getting ourselves with another pick would be excellent- I hope we can work out a deal that Smith/Kubiak feel comfortable with...and we sign Gray.
 
So how many people guessed it would take less than 15 posts to turn this into a Carr thread!!?? :thumbdown

I'd rather have a gray schaub than a gray carr. :tomato:

haha, sorry.
 
this is interesting... i hate gray as a QB... but if he signs, i'm pretty sure it's writing on the wall for sage to go to minny or elsewhere. i doubt gray would willingly come here to be the third stringer.
 
281 said:
this is interesting... i hate gray as a QB... but if he signs, i'm pretty sure it's writing on the wall for sage to go to minny or elsewhere. i doubt gray would willingly come here to be the third stringer.
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What is it about Gray you don't like as a QB or at least a QB for the Texans?
 
281 said:
his accuracy is horrid.
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Gray was pretty accurate on Week 17. Yes, it was against the Texans secondary. But, Gray was on the money that Sunday.

Gray doesn't seem to be a good fit for the Texans offense because he's not very mobile. I said the same thing about Matt Schaub last offseason. Then the Texans traded for him.
 
Lucky said:
Gray was pretty accurate on Week 17. Yes, it was against the Texans secondary. But, Gray was on the money that Sunday.

Gray doesn't seem to be a good fit for the Texans offense because he's not very mobile. I said the same thing about Matt Schaub last offseason. Then the Texans traded for him.
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that was one of two texans games i missed this year, actually. so i missed that one. and it was against our secondary, so it's not THAT great. haha. seriously though, i'd rather keep sage around. but we'll see soon if the texans value that 3rd round pick more.
 
281 said:
this is interesting... i hate gray as a QB... but if he signs, i'm pretty sure it's writing on the wall for sage to go to minny or elsewhere. i doubt gray would willingly come here to be the third stringer.
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Particularly since Kubes has shown a preference to only keep 2 QB's on the roster.
 
I think David Carr's effect on the fan base may have well skewed some people's ability to evaluate QB play for the next 5-10 years(for some I wonder if the scars ever will heal).

Pre-Broncos Jake Plummer erratic at best. With Denver he made HUGE strides. Post Kubiak Denver not so well.

If Quinn Gray does get signed I do hope the Sage trade goes through. I think his proper value is probably a third with some people wanting to jack it up to a second. If they can great. If not, another third would really help this team in the long run considering Sage could very well walk next year without any compensation.
 
We don't need to be spending money on Gray when we have Sage. I don't want Gray as the backup, I want Sage as the backup.

If Gray is coming in as training camp fodder or future practice squad guy, OK, as long as we get him cheap. I see no need to be spending more than the NFL minimum on more QBs right now.
 
Thorn said:
We don't need to be spending money on Gray when we have Sage. I don't want Gray as the backup, I want Sage as the backup.
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The Texans won't sign Gray unless Sage is dealt. That's the reality of the situation. I guess the Vikings looksee at Gus Frerotte pushed the Texans to reconsider this deal.

I would prefer Rosenfels to Gray as the Texans backup QB. He's a known quantity who has had success in this system. But, I can understand why Smith & Kubiak are contemplating the move. The Texans have done well in free agency with the limited resources they've been willing to use. This is not the year to break the bank in free agency. But, this team still needs more talent and depth. An additional 3rd rounder could be used on a situational pass rusher or a FS of future.

I'm sure Kubiak is thinking about Gray's performance in Week 17 against the Texans. He was the best QB on the field that day, throwing 4 TD passes. Gray has always been a strong-armed pocket passer, whose accuracy and decision making have been questioned. Gray answered those questions in that game.

I don't know if Sage will be traded or not. If so, I'll always admire him for how he's handled being the backup QB here. He never complained about his status even when he had preformed at a high level in the '06 preseason. Nor last season, when he stepped in for Schaub and helped the Texans to their 1st non-losing season. Sage would be missed, but he's deserving of an opportunity to start in the NFL. And he and his agent have probably told Smith and Kubiak as much, in private. Here's hoping that things work out well for all parties involved.
 
DiehardChris said:
I look at it like an insurance policy. Gray's not as good as Sage, but if we get an offer we can't refuse for Sage - we're not caught with our pants down... like say, we would be if our only other backup was Craig Nall or someone like that.

Also, as usual, I agree with everything AJ said. LOL.
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How do we know that? Gray has much more upside than Sage did before he came here. IMO, the system is what makes the offense run. The QB just needs to know how to steer it.

If Gray has the smarts, he'd be fine as a backup QB. Let's take what we can get and make our team better.:cool:
 
The Smith/Kubiak duo gambled big time with Texan Draft picks (2 second-rounders in case you forgot), to get Schaub. How's that lookin after we
factor in the very critical question about Schaubs durabilty ? Do they want to gamble again at QB and negotiate a trade that sends the player who many feel is the better QB for the Texans when all is considered ?
 
The Chronic finally acknowledges Gray's visit.

The Texans have set up a free agent visit with Jacksonville quarterback Quinn Gray on Sunday at Reliant Stadium.

Gray, 28, is entering his sixth season. He has played in 11 games, starting four, with the Jaguars.

The Texans have carried just two quarterbacks on their active roster the past two seasons, and both Matt Schaub and Sage Rosenfels are slated to return.

Gray won two of his four starts last season. He threw for 302 yards and four touchdowns in a losing effort against the Texans in the season finale.
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I like bringing him in. I have no idea where the Vikings are at the moment, but us bringing Gray in does make a statement or smoke screen that we may have another suitor for Sage. If the Vikings were truly ever interested in Sage they better be on the line with us or other GMs to have a finger on the pulse of the demand for Sage around the leaue.
 
I think the Vikes talking to Ferrote and Atlanta picking up an extra 2nd have alot to do with this. Why not sign Gray to keep Atlanta from getting him so you can do some trading?

I am one who wants Sage to stay but if we can put a guy like Gray back there, and get a 2nd for Sage, we have to pull the trigger.

We don't know if Gray can win 4 games for us but we don't know if he will have to and we know he has done some good for his team before. Signing Gray would make Sage, who is most likely leaving us next year, expendable.
 
Picking up a extra second or third + late round picks would really help our draft.

I think we need

1-oline
1-DB
1-Dline or 1-LB out of this draft.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I like bringing him in. I have no idea where the Vikings are at the moment...
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This probably has nothing to do with anything but I've always been interested in players/coaches background and how much of an effect that plays in personnel decisions (see endless Green Bay and Denver signings in the last 2 years)

But Darrell Bevell (the Vikings Offensive Coordinator) was on the football staff in 1997 at Iowa State. Sage Rosenfels was a four year letterman at Iowa St. from 1997-2000. Doesn't look too significant at all but just found it rather interesting that Bevell was at Iowa St. when Sage was a freshman on the team. idonno:
 
If you can get a third for Sage and all you lose is downgrading from Sage to Gray then TAKE IT, TAKE IT FAST. Are you kidding? As someone earlier said..Gray has more upside than Sage did when he came here. What's to say Kube's and our system can't do the same for Gray.

Gray made quick work out of us last year, he just didn't have a defense doing him any favors that game.

With our drafting abilities to me a third rounder means our decision is between:
Sage or Gray AND Eric Winston

I'll take a starter and a quality backup over a slightly higher quality backup who will leave us next year for nothing and no starter.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
get something while the getting is good. if minnesota throws in a 6th round with their early 3rd rounder to compensate for the Myers signing, I think we have to think about trading our backup Sage. He is going to want to leave the Texans next year in just about every scenario except complete Schaub ineptitude or poor health.

Why not bring someone else in and get while the gettin is good. A great backup is a luxury that the Texans may not need to afford. There are backups out there that wouldn't be horrible alternatives. I want a 2nd for Sage but after the Myers signing maybe a 3rd and a 5th or 6th rounder gets the job done.

I love Sage but you gotta be open to moving him if you can get something in return. Some guys will become available here over the next few months in particular. The Bucs have a glut of QBs and they can't keep em all on that roster.
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I agree with what you say but Sage is under contract for two years and team is in driver's seat. Smith can play this one tight and maybe get a 2nd rounder draft day. I am not very knowledgable on other fringe QBs that might be available. I am just very pumped at the way this year seems to be breaking for Texans. Solid off season especially getting Myers (and his dad "55olinesdad")for a 6th. Man that is good dealing. We should fill some spots with 1st, 3rd and 4th in draft. I want to see what will do with 5th and 7th. ANd this is all without trading Sage or the #18.
 
Dallas_Texan said:
I'll take a starter and a quality backup over a slightly higher quality backup who will leave us next year for nothing and no starter.
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That's what I'm saying. I want Sage to stay too but getting a backup like Gray, who has been shown alot of interest by other teams, helps me move Sage to make our team better and better through the draft.

Also take into consideration what this does to a rival. It removes a quality back up from a division rival.
 
El Tejano said:
That's what I'm saying. I want Sage to stay too but getting a backup like Gray, who has been shown alot of interest by other teams, helps me move Sage to make our team better and better through the draft.

Also take into consideration what this does to a rival. It removes a quality back up from a division rival.
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Now imagine this, b/c it's not THAT unlikely. If we move Sage for a third, and we trade down in the first for another third, we will have

1st round, 3 - 3rd round picks, and a 4th rounder!!!!!!!!!
 
Dallas_Texan said:
Now imagine this, b/c it's not THAT unlikely. If we move Sage for a third, and we trade down in the first for another third, we will have

1st round, 3 - 3rd round picks, and a 4th rounder!!!!!!!!!
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2 3rd rounders can get you a 2nd real quick and a high one too. I guess what we are seeing here is that the value of trading Sage increases with the signing of Gray.
 
As it stands right now we have a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th Rd. Pick (5 total).

I don't know if we're going to trade Sage or trade down our first but I do think that for a team wanting to build through the draft (and needs too), Smith will be looking very hard at getting more picks. I seriously doubt we finish the draft with our 5 picks and only those.

Even if nothing too exciting happens it could be like last year during the draft. New Orleans gave us their 4th and 5th rounders to move up about 12 spots? (getting our 4th round). We netted Fred Bennett (who I think we were eyeing anyways) and Brandon Frye.

I can't wait, it's only 5 weeks away.
 
Gray is more well regarded currently then Sage was when he was signed to be Carr's back-up.

Gray + a 3rd round pick > Sage. If the Vikings panic and offer both of their 3rds or a second then this should be a no brainer.

Times that make the playoffs, or even contend for them, rely on their starting Qb to get them there. Not their back-up; nor a combination of their starter and their back-up.
 
Pickin's are getting slim for a reasonably promising backup QB..............Anybody thinking that we may sign Gray for the sole purpose of turning around and marketing him for a 3rd round pick? Once the draft is completed, it becomes pretty late to be trying to get a "quality" backup in. Certainly waiting until roster cuts begin is even chancier. Therefore, if Gray may be considered a semblance of a quality backup, then there will be someone out there interested in turning a deal.
The best of both worlds..............definitely hang on to Sage and get the 3rd rounder.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
...Anybody thinking that we may sign Gray for the sole purpose of turning around and marketing him for a 3rd round pick?
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I can't think of any team that's done that in recent memory. Unless you want to include the sign & trade of Henson (who was a draft pick) to Dallas.
 
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