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McClain:How would you motivate Mario?

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I'm going to keep this short and sweet. Actually, I'm going to steal Anna-Megan's idea of asking you guys a question: Other than literally lighting a fire under him, if you were the Texans coaches, what would you do to motivate Mario Williams?

I'm going to write a column in Wednesday's Chronicle about Mario and how disappointing he's been in preseason. I'm going to take the two- or three-best suggestions you send to this blog and use them in my Page 2 column on Wednesday.

I'm going to record the Dallas game. Afterward, I'm going to watch Mario over and over. I'm going to keep track of every play -- who's blocking him, what he does and what the play is. I'm going to see if the Cowboys run at him or away from him or if it even makes a difference. I'm going to document every single move I see Mario Williams make, and I'm going to list them in this blog.

Anyway, thanks ahead of time for contributing. Now, fire away: How would you motivate Mario?

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/08/how_would_you_motivate_mario_w.html
 
the best way to motivate players that don't produce is to bench them and take away their starting spot...no better time than now when it doesn't count. It's sad that we are even talking about motivating Mario and his 50 million guaranteed cash.
 
the best way to motivate players that don't produce is to bench them and take away their starting spot...no better time than now when it doesn't count.

I agree....other methods in practice are obviously not getting through to this guy....if he's playing like a 3rd stringer maybe the coaching staff should treat him like one and take away his minutes.........
 
the best way to motivate players that don't produce is to bench them and take away their starting spot...no better time than now when it doesn't count. It's sad that we are even talking about motivating Mario and his 50 million guaranteed cash.

I am extremely disappointed that Mario requires outside motivation at all. It is not consistent with everything I've ever read about the great ones in sports who motivate themselves from within. It's called heart, and obviously some have it more than others.
 
Not exactly sure we can question a mans courage and heart that played in extreme pain for most of his first season when he quite easily could have had himself benched.

I'll wait for the season to unfold before passing judgement.

I'll also hope for the best.
 
We are talking about motivating Mario because John McClain thinks it is an issue. From the comments:

{Casey, you miss the point. It's not that Mario doesn't have a sack. Is it too much to ask him to make a tackle? To assist on a tackle? To chase down a play? To tie up two blockers and free up someone else to make a tackle? Yes, it's preseason, and he might be ready to turn it on against the Cowboys or maybe the Chiefs. We'll see. Because of who he is and where he was drafted, he's going to be held to a higher standard than other players. I'm not saying he's a mistake. I'm not saying it's time to write him off. But I am saying he should be playing harder and showing up on the stat sheet at least once in two preseason games. -- JOHN}


Though Mario wasn't terribly effective yesterday, at least from my eyes it didn't look like a lack of effort. (Though I suppose, I should just look at stat sheets instead of my eyes). You know, where you are begging your readers to come up with ridiculous ways to motivate Mario so that you can publish them in the newspaper and get lots of page hits with a pile-on Mario post.

FWIW, this is what Kubiak says on the effort issue:

“It’s pretty obvious he’s got to play better. He’s got to be more of a factor for us to become a great defense,” Kubiak said of Williams. “I don’t see a lack of effort in the kid, but it’s obvious we as coaches have to take more upon ourselves to get him in position to make some of those plays. He’s got his part to do, we’ve got our part to do.”

I guess that is coach speak for: "I really hope the Houston Chronicle readers come up with ways to motivate Mario, such as the witty threat to mess up his Lamborghini blast. Boy howdy, that's some great humor."
 
We are talking about motivating Mario because John McClain thinks it is an issue. From the comments:




Though Mario wasn't terribly effective yesterday, at least from my eyes it didn't look like a lack of effort. (Though I suppose, I should just look at stat sheets instead of my eyes). You know, where you are begging your readers to come up with ridiculous ways to motivate Mario so that you can publish them in the newspaper and get lots of page hits with a pile-on Mario post.

FWIW, this is what Kubiak says on the effort issue:



I guess that is coach speak for: "I really hope the Houston Chronicle readers come up with ways to motivate Mario, such as the witty threat to mess up his Lamborghini blast. Boy howdy, that's some great humor."
I just wish effort equated to good play. I'm sure Carr gave a good effort for all 5 years he was here.
 
We are talking about motivating Mario because John McClain thinks it is an issue.

We've talked about it before this article, as well. When we hear a coach telling us that he had to chew Mario out to make him mad, and this resulted in better practice for him, then I see outside motivation being required.

I want the guy to succeed as much as anyone, but he still looks like a force field is sticking him to the first offensive lineman that hits him. I'm not seeing a fierceness in his play that refuses to allow someone to stop him. I watched yesterday's first team several times, and Mario never seemed to get away from his first block.

If there is something 'magical' that happens when the games count, then consider these games pointless to analyze. But I think you play like you practice, and I'm having a hard time believing that Mario is just going to turn it on when regular season starts. We should be seeing some indication of something right now, IMO.
 
I don't see a problem with his motivation on the field. Off the field, he may not be doing everything he can - studying film, working on his own technique.

I can see why we have two senior coaches devoted fulltime to the d-line. There are more than four guys who they have to coach up. Zgonina's the only real vet. There's no Reggie White or Jevon Kearse to mentor any of them. It would be a lot easier if the rest of the line was established and Bush or Franklin could devote their time to working with Mario or Amobi.
 
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guess chron can run R.I.P. photo?
 
I just wish effort equated to good play. I'm sure Carr gave a good effort for all 5 years he was here.


Well alot of posters on here seem to think he lacks the effort. He displays alot of effort IMO. It's also good to here it from Coach Kubes as well.




Let's see how he does in his 2nd year. I think Mario will have a bigger impact on the Texans in a good way than David Carr did.( I know that's not alot, lol)


“A watched pot never boils.”
 
I just wish effort equated to good play. I'm sure Carr gave a good effort for all 5 years he was here.

Exactly.

I am expecting to hear a lot of the debates about Carr being rehashed as Mario stuff.

(coaching carousel, young group he is working with, no talented veteran leadership, how can you evaluate fire and heart blah blah blah. He also has the black cloud of the 2006 draft hanging over his head so his good will with the fan base is very limited and the burden of living up to a fat contract that often fans and teammates resent).

That being said, I think you can overlearn mistakes of the past. Carr is Carr, and Mario is Mario. All players have pluses and minuses. I would like to see more. I'd also like to see more from the defense as a whole. (Richard Smith is going to get a pass from John McClain until and unless it gets impossible not to critique him--McClain likes him a lot).
 
The thought itself...motivation..for a #1 pick that people doubt is flawed to start with. That right there should be motivation enough. Personally I hated being doubted when I played sports and wanted to kill the other team. I'd hope that the people you put on the field have that same mentality and at some point hard work in general pays off.
 
Exactly.

I am expecting to hear a lot of the debates about Carr being rehashed as Mario stuff.

(coaching carousel, young group he is working with, no talented veteran leadership, how can you evaluate fire and heart blah blah blah. He also has the black cloud of the 2006 draft hanging over his head so his good will with the fan base is very limited and the burden of living up to a fat contract that often fans and teammates resent).

That being said, I think you can overlearn mistakes of the past. Carr is Carr, and Mario is Mario. All players have pluses and minuses. I would like to see more. I'd also like to see more from the defense as a whole. (Richard Smith is going to get a pass from John McClain until and unless it gets impossible not to critique him--McClain likes him a lot).
agreed on many levels....right now we are what we are (to steal a phrase from the Tuna), so while patience from the fans isn't always something that is easy for us (or more specifically me)....I think all we can do is be patient and hope that Mario starts making plays. It's not like we can go exchange him like a bad lawnmower you get at walmart. Hopefully one day we will eventually have something to be proud of when it comes to 1st overall selections.
 
Hopefully the cheers for VY will get him going. If not, then maybe the "Reggie! Reggie!" chants that will more than likely fill Reliant will do the trick.
 
Hopefully the cheers for VY will get him going. If not, then maybe the "Reggie! Reggie!" chants that will more than likely fill Reliant will do the trick.

I know you are joking but if that gets him motivated we are in sad shape...

Cheers for vince twice a year and cheers for Reggie 1 out of 4 years.. (when we play their respectable teams)

Just being with Demeco out to be motivation enough esp with his well deserved rookie of the year award
 
Here's the team picture of Mario. I didn't realize he was born with a heart two sizes too small.


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It's sad that we are even talking about motivating Mario and his 50 million guaranteed cash.
I don't think Mario is guaranteed on $50 million, it's probably somewhere in the mid 20's

As to motivating a #1 draft pick with a huge contract, it's not like we haven't dealt with this before. We get rid of one and continue with another.

So it seems.

By the way, Schaub looks pretty good! I have heavily analyzed that personnel move, it looks like it's going to pay off.

Trying to look on the bright side of things.
 
Mario's problem isn't motivation...

I don't look at film and see a guy who's not trying hard...

I see a guy with limited initial burst and limited quickness who is being asked to do something he's not really suited for...But just because he's not the prototypical WDE (RDE) doesn't mean he can't eventually become a good pass rusher...BUT THE ODDS ARE AGAINST HIM....He has too many things to work on both physically and mentally IMO...

They need to move this guy to the other DE position; and the Texans already know this...That is why they had him playing SDE last season and tried AW at DT...Because AW at DT = huge holes in the run game they are trying to make Mario = pass ruxh specialist when that's really not fair to Mario....

Mario's play dissapoints me and I definitely think he can do better, but I blame his overall ineffectiveness on the coaches.....Instead of putting the guy that you have taKEN #1 overall in a situation that best suits him, you instead try to make the AW aquisition not look so stupid....The fact is we picked up two DE's last off-seasomn that play the same position...

I've been saying this since early last season...

Mario and AW on the field at the same time = a bad overall D-line...It's almost like playing with 4 DT's...

Move Mario to the strong side now, let Babin and Kalu duke it out for the WDE position and let AW back up everyone...

I'm tired of seeing Mario look like a fish out of water...
 
Mario's problem isn't motivation...

I don't look at film and see a guy who's not trying hard...

I see a guy with limited initial burst and limited quickness who is being asked to do something he's not really suited for...But just because he's not the prototypical WDE (RDE) doesn't mean he can't eventually become a good pass rusher...BUT THE ODDS ARE AGAINST HIM....He has too many things to work on both physically and mentally IMO...

They need to move this guy to the other DE position; and the Texans already know this...That is why they had him playing SDE last season and tried AW at DT...Because AW at DT = huge holes in the run game they are trying to make Mario = pass ruxh specialist when that's really not fair to Mario....

Mario's play dissapoints me and I definitely think he can do better, but I blame his overall ineffectiveness on the coaches.....Instead of putting the guy that you have taKEN #1 overall in a situation that best suits him, you instead try to make the AW aquisition not look so stupid....The fact is we picked up two DE's last off-seasomn that play the same position...

I've been saying this since early last season...

Mario and AW on the field at the same time = a bad overall D-line...It's almost like playing with 4 DT's...

Move Mario to the strong side now, let Babin and Kalu duke it out for the WDE position and let AW back up everyone...

I'm tired of seeing Mario look like a fish out of water...

I agree with you on the motivation part. I rewatched the game, and I didn't see lack of motivation. I think most people (maybe some coaches included) just want to believe that's all it is . . . just lack of motivation. So all you need to do is find a way to 'motivate' him, and then everything is hunky dory . . instant stud DL. It's not going to be that simple.

Now, where I disagree with you, is your idea that you know more than the coaches do regarding how to play him.

Mario was the 1st overall pick of the draft, which distorts expectations to the max. Jason Babin was declared a bust by the fans and media because he didn't light it up the first couple of years he played. Travis Johnson was declared a bust by the media and fans because he didn't light it up the first couple of years he played. It's not unreasonable at all to see the pattern here. It takes 2 to 3 years for an NFL defensive lineman to develop. There are not going to be any quick fixes or short cuts.

Have I shown impatience with Mario. I'm guilty, I admit it. It will be frustrating to me to watch both Mario and Amobi go through their learning pains, make mistakes, and figure out, over time how to be a pro player.

But if I can wait 3 to 4 years for Carr to show me if he can get it done, I can at least give Mario at least half that time.
 
I agree with you on the motivation part. I rewatched the game, and I didn't see lack of motivation. I think most people (maybe some coaches included) just want to believe that's all it is . . . just lack of motivation. So all you need to do is find a way to 'motivate' him, and then everything is hunky dory . . instant stud DL. It's not going to be that simple.

Now, where I disagree with you, is your idea that you know more than the coaches do regarding how to play him.

Mario was the 1st overall pick of the draft, which distorts expectations to the max. Jason Babin was declared a bust by the fans and media because he didn't light it up the first couple of years he played. Travis Johnson was declared a bust by the media and fans because he didn't light it up the first couple of years he played. It's not unreasonable at all to see the pattern here. It takes 2 to 3 years for an NFL defensive lineman to develop. There are not going to be any quick fixes or short cuts.

Have I shown impatience with Mario. I'm guilty, I admit it. It will be frustrating to me to watch both Mario and Amobi go through their learning pains, make mistakes, and figure out, over time how to be a pro player.
But if I can wait 3 to 4 years for Carr to show me if he can get it done, I can at least give Mario at least half that time.



I agree with you 100%! However being an expansion team (not an excuse) and having Asserly blowing picks and bringing in weak free agents has put even more pressure on our last two draft classes. Our lack of overall talent on the D-line means we need and it appears from public opinion expect immediate impact from our rookies. If some of our early draft classes and free agents were making more of an impact people would still be bitc*ing about Mario but at tleast the additional talent would mean we could depend on them while Mario improves his game.
 
I think a lot of people are jumping to conclusions way too early. Mario hasn't been particularly impressive; on that, I think we can all agree. But where do people get off assuming it's a motivation issue? Maybe, like Kalu says, he really does have 20 guys in his ear, all trying to coach him how to play. Maybe he really is trying to be the good employee and take the coaching. Maybe he's just got a steep learning curve. Maybe he just isn't that good. Any of these things are possible, and time will tell which it is.

I just don't buy that he isn't motivated.
 
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Now, where I disagree with you, is your idea that you know more than the coaches do regarding how to play him.

Mario was the 1st overall pick of the draft, which distorts expectations to the max. Jason Babin was declared a bust by the fans and media because he didn't light it up the first couple of years he played. Travis Johnson was declared a bust by the media and fans because he didn't light it up the first couple of years he played. It's not unreasonable at all to see the pattern here. It takes 2 to 3 years for an NFL defensive lineman to develop. There are not going to be any quick fixes or short cuts.

Have I shown impatience with Mario. I'm guilty, I admit it. It will be frustrating to me to watch both Mario and Amobi go through their learning pains, make mistakes, and figure out, over time how to be a pro player.

But if I can wait 3 to 4 years for Carr to show me if he can get it done, I can at least give Mario at least half that time.

That's fine...disagreements are good...

But let me ask you this....Why do you put so much faith in the coaching staff's decisions regarding Mario when they admittedly said they made a mistake last year on how he was played? I just find your blind faith quite odd...:umm:

Why do you have faith in the the staff's personnel decisions regarding the decisions they make with the D-line when they are the ones who tried to play Weaver at DT ? AKA another failed experiment...

Just because the the new Texans under the guidance of Kubiak do it doesn't mean it's right....

P.S. I have a pretty long track record of saying that I thought TJ was a good ball player and I wanted Babin on the field more as a rusher....I knew they were both capable...
 
the best way to motivate players that don't produce is to bench them and take away their starting spot...no better time than now when it doesn't count. It's sad that we are even talking about motivating Mario and his 50 million guaranteed cash.



May be that would of helped David Carr:specnatz:
 
I don't know, with an unproven defensive coaching staff, time will tell(defense)

they are going to be geniuses and make careers or they are going to ruin careers by not knowing how to use the talent they have (or make adjustments to philosophies (i.e. square peg ,round hole) ..
 
May be that would of helped David Carr:specnatz:

some reason Capers wouldn't do that.. I think it would have done wonders for Carr's career if Banks would have run the offense on game day at times (while Carr was struggling) to see how this offense could have ran... good or bad

BTW I am NOT making an excuse for Carr and his troubles.. I am saying (hindsight is 20/20) it could have helped (couldn't have done worse)
 
that was a Semi Benching Sage almost brought us back in that game againts the titans but Kubiak couldnt bench Carr for a game mostly i think becuase of the man crush Bobby Mcnair had on him.:gun:

I am not sure on the man crush, I think it was a season that Kubiak had to know what he was working with and even if Carr wasn't the answer (which he wasn't), Kubiak had to play him to see if any light was at the end of the tunnell (and as metallica said.. light at the end of the tunnel, just a freight train coming your way)
 
I am not sure on the man crush, I think it was a season that Kubiak had to know what he was working with and even if Carr wasn't the answer (which he wasn't), Kubiak had to play him to see if any light was at the end of the tunnell (and as metallica said.. light at the end of the tunnel, just a freight train coming your way)



Why would he need a season to figure out what all of us that arent related to david carr knew already.:shades: but i do think it sage would of been healthy @ the end of the season he would of been the one starting.
 
Why would he need a season to figure out what all of us that arent related to david carr knew already.:shades: but i do think it sage would of been healthy @ the end of the season he would of been the one starting.

money..david was making alot of money ..kubiak and his new system had to know if David could work in his system

Sage... I think we were reading too much into his game against the Titans.. if i can find the read i'll post it.. Titans were up so much that they basically went into a prevent defense...jason Garrett syndrome.

Sage brought us back, but for everything Sage did our defense did worse and couldn't make stops

*edit* about money.. David was making too much money to sit on the bench esp with a team that wasn't going to the playoffs.. Texans realized the experiment was over and let him go.. bottom line and if they thought Sage was the answer.. Matt wouldn't have been traded for
 
Why would he need a season to figure out what all of us that arent related to david carr knew already.:shades: but i do think it sage would of been healthy @ the end of the season he would of been the one starting.

I dont know why people have such a hard time understanding why Kubiak thought he could win with Carr. Coach's including Kubiak have huge ego's some might even say a god complex. They all think they know best and that everyone else should just stay out of the way. Carr on tape looks like he should be able to win, Kubiak being a typical coach just knew he could fix what was wrong with Carr. He was wrong, dead wrong. Carr's problems are in his head but they stay well hidden until he is in under pressure in a game situation. He always says the right things to make people think its not his fault. I am glad Kubiak at least cut his losses and admitted his mistake and moved on after only one season. Many a coach has lost their job sticking with a player and thinking they can fix them season after season.
 
The benching of Carr really didn't make much of a difference.

I think he's motivated, he's just a quiet guy when it comes to the media. He did say "I want the record." and the reporter replied "Do you realize last season you were 18 sacks away." he replied "You have have your sights aimed high so I want the record."

Just because he's motivated doesn't mean he's going to play better. But if the other guy blocking him wants it just as much, then it comes down to skill and technique, something he's still got to improve on.

Like Kubes said, one thing that works this sunday isn't going to work the next. He just has to grow as a player. He isn't the DE with Big John Henderson and Giant Marcus Stroud playing inside. Would he do better for the Jags? Maybe we really don't know.

Our Dline has to grow as players. People are starting to see improvements in Babin and Johnson this is after 2 and 3 years. If those two play well it will make Mario's improvement easier.

I say if we can give Carr all those years why can't we lend Mario a few? I know we are impatient and tired of losing...but good things come to those who wait.

If our picks all reach potential you know...Mario, Okoye, Johnson, and Babin...you are talking about the four horsemen of the NFL :texflag:
I think I am going to dream that and hope it comes true.
 
I'm not blaming motivation or lack of suitabilty to the role.

I blame technique and experience. One you learn in practice the other in games so benching him won't help on that account.
 
the best way to motivate players that don't produce is to bench them and take away their starting spot...no better time than now when it doesn't count. It's sad that we are even talking about motivating Mario and his 50 million guaranteed cash.

yup. he needs to be benched for his lack of effort. he needs to earn his keep to keep his job. the benching didnt help our previous #1 overall pick but maybe things will be different with Mario.

the effort level was just pathetic just like it was in game 1. if your trying and getting your butt kicked that is one thing but to make no impact on the game while you are always on your feet at the end of the play shows me that he isn't giving enough effort....and it needs to be fixed or removed from the starting lineup.
 
hghfg

That's fine...disagreements are good...

But let me ask you this....Why do you put so much faith in the coaching staff's decisions regarding Mario when they admittedly said they made a mistake last year on how he was played? I just find your blind faith quite odd...:umm:

Why do you have faith in the the staff's personnel decisions regarding the decisions they make with the D-line when they are the ones who tried to play Weaver at DT ? AKA another failed experiment...

Just because the the new Texans under the guidance of Kubiak do it doesn't mean it's right....

P.S. I have a pretty long track record of saying that I thought TJ was a good ball player and I wanted Babin on the field more as a rusher....I knew they were both capable...

Oh . . so Kubiak, Sherman, and the rest of the coaching staff doesn't know diddly squat about how to run a football team, but you got the whole deal down cold, hey??? You know it all, but they don't.

That's exactly how just came across . . . arrogant as hell. Do you have any idea how arrogant you just sounded? Do you?????

Jeezus H.

:mad:
 
yup. he needs to be benched for his lack of effort. he needs to earn his keep to keep his job. the benching didnt help our previous #1 overall pick but maybe things will be different with Mario.

the effort level was just pathetic just like it was in game 1. if your trying and getting your butt kicked that is one thing but to make no impact on the game while you are always on your feet at the end of the play shows me that he isn't giving enough effort....and it needs to be fixed or removed from the starting lineup.

just reading lance Z's article reminded me that Mario was benched in College for a game for not being motivated or something....seems like a trend that Mario can't motivate himself perhaps?
 
just reading lance Z's article reminded me that Mario was benched in College for a game for not being motivated or something....seems like a trend that Mario can't motivate himself perhaps?

That would be dissappointing to say the least.

He did state that he wanted to break the all-time sack record this season, but he's shooting too high IMO (esp. in today's NFL). Although attainable, such a record is unlikely. Consistent pressure on the QB is what I'd like to see from him. Sacks will take care of themselves. If he would have said 10-15 sacks, he might push himself harder to make an attainable goal. I'm not giving up on the guy, but I'd like to see a little more emotion.
 
just reading lance Z's article reminded me that Mario was benched in College for a game for not being motivated or something....seems like a trend that Mario can't motivate himself perhaps?

It wasn't just Mario that was benched. It was the whole first team defense, right? That included John McCargo and Mannie Lawson. I wonder if those guys get talked about not being motivated.
 
He did state that he wanted to break the all-time sack record this season, but he's shooting too high IMO (esp. in today's NFL).

When he said that, I thought to myself: "what a clown...what a childish thing to say..."
 
It wasn't just Mario that was benched. It was the whole first team defense, right? That included John McCargo and Mannie Lawson. I wonder if those guys get talked about not being motivated.

From what I heard this morning, he was benched and then came back with 3 sacks. John McC also said that one scout said that many of his big sack games were against freshman and back-ups and that Charlie C pretty much wasn't at his predraft workout and called JMac and told him they were brining Mario in...almost as ruse. Take it all with a grain of salt.
 
Oh . . so Kubiak, Sherman, and the rest of the coaching staff doesn't know diddly squat about how to run a football team, but you got the whole deal down cold, hey??? You know it all, but they don't.

That's exactly how just came across . . . arrogant as hell. Do you have any idea how arrogant you just sounded? Do you?????

Jeezus H.

:mad:

I don't care if you think I sound arrogant...

I'm pretty confident in myself and if that comes off as arrogant so be it...

I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again...I'm human....I have an opinion and I stated it and I believe it...sue me....

And Kubiak never said T.J was a bust, so I'm not sure what you're talking about...They never even said he was a bad ball player...For all you know they could have just thought he was a really talented lazy SOB that needed a kick in the arse and a dose of reality....Your assumptions are ludicrous....
 
From what I heard this morning, he was benched and then came back with 3 sacks. John McC also said that one scout said that many of his big sack games were against freshman and back-ups and that Charlie C pretty much wasn't at his predraft workout and called JMac and told him they were brining Mario in...almost as ruse. Take it all with a grain of salt.

and against 'powers' like Duke and Wake Forest. when he played against good teams in college, he would do his usual 'no-show'. I said this when we drafted him but was widely poo-pooed for being negative and having a mancrush on VY....wrong, I was just pissed that we blew our pick on this workout warrior with no heart.

sometimes you are what you are. and Mario is what he is...which is not a very good football player. if he wasn't the #1 overall pick and played like this he wouldn't even make the team.
 
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