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So what does Mario have to do this year......

Mr teX

Mr teX

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statwise, to stave off you calling him the "b" word? I only ask b/c i happened to pop on Davies & dukes this morning & they were sort of talking about it.

Maybe you look at it differently, not so much what Mario has to do statwise, but what does the defensive unit/line have to accomplish for you to feel Mario is at least becoming the force you thought he could be?
 
All he needs to do is stay healthy and find consistency from game to game. He will have some games where he appears to be shut out and others where he rag dolls a couple of linemen a game like in the Giants game.

In reality the B word should not really ever be used on any player until after their 3rd year regardless of the player or the team etc. It just takes that long for most players to adjust to the pro game.
 
For me, it's not just what Mario does. I want him to contribute on a dominating D-line helping the defense pick up where it left off from the last half of the season. If he improves the way I hope, offenses will have to pay more attention to him allowing others on the defense to make plays. I really don't think we will have anything to worry about with Mario, though:mario3:
 
I don't want to get wrapped up in calling him a success or failure based on a stat line. I would like to see him be a disruptive force, whether it's stuffing RB's in the backfield, tossing O-Linemen around and getting some sacks here and there.

4.5 isn't enough, by any means. I'd like to see him double that while being disruptive every Sunday.
 
I fully expect him to have 10+ sacks this year, and at least 2-4 FFs

Thats barely 1 every other game.

I know, I know, people are already saying he'll be double teamed. Franky, I don't care. Everyone knows Peppers is a beast, everyone knows Freeney is a beast, everyone knows Strahan, etc, etc and they still produce. With a new pass rushing DT in Okoye, a rejuvinated TJ and the surprising Maddox in the middle, I expect MW should easily surpass 10 sacks this season

If he doesn't, I will be the first to be disapointed. The first overall pick in the draft, after a full year of NFL experience, healthy and hungry, should not be given any more "cushion" time. As Texans fans, we have learned way too much patience. Carr is the perfect example. We need to expect our players to perform up to the level they were predicted to perform at.
 
If your taken 1st overall, and you are just a solid contributer, you're a bust.

Hopefully he can be a solid run stopper.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Has to put up Freeny or Peppers like numbers, simple as that.
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Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.
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Damn your facts and logic!!!! :doot:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.
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I meant the usual 12-15 sacks a year numbers.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.
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Freeney and the entire Colts defense was HORRIBLe all year. The only reason they even made it into the playoffs was because of their offense.

Once in the playoffs, Freeney resumed his natural pass rushing self. He was the sack leader for the postseason.

The Colts made it to the playoffs in spite of Freeney, not because of him.

As for Peppers, well, I can't really explain that one. Rucker benefited I guess, as he had something like 10-15 sacks that season
 
Be a difference maker.

Make the defense better.

I would love to see a ton of sacks, but he doesn't have to have that to make a difference out there.
 
gtexan02 said:
Freeney and the entire Colts defense was HORRIBLe all year. The only reason they even made it into the playoffs was because of their offense.

Once in the playoffs, Freeney resumed his natural pass rushing self. He was the sack leader for the postseason.

The Colts made it to the playoffs in spite of Freeney, not because of him.

As for Peppers, well, I can't really explain that one. Rucker benefited I guess, as he had something like 10-15 sacks that season
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Yes, Freeney, Peppers and Mario are all horrible and make no one around them better. :rolleyes:
 
I was at last nights practice and the team wasn't in pads but I dunno if Mario really needs pads ? The guy is an awesome physcial physique ! And now that he's down to 'bout 280 lbs. he really looks almost as much like a basketball player as he does a football player. But couple that with his superior athleticism (can't help but wonder what the Mario-Lite 40 time and vertical elevation would be ?), and "Super Mario" says it all. But maybe the new D coachs and getting his first NFL year behind him will give him the maturity to take advantage of his prodigous physical skills.
BTW, Mario signed autographs after practice and he stayed forever and I think just about everyone got something signed and there was a ton of people wanting a signature. But the big guy showed a lot of patience, and dare I say maturity ?
 
20 or so players picked after him had better years than he did....so, he needs to simply play better...and outplay the guys picked after him....so he has a TALL order. Being the first overall pick in a DEEP draft carries a burden.
 
Now we are nitpicking numbers to further the excuses for MW

He was picked 1st. Therefore I expect him to perform better than every other player in the draft.

I won't be disapointed if he plays at or around the level of others in the draft, but a repeat of last year will surely be a failure
 
show some heart
show a mean streak
show more quickness
show better technique
show the ability to make more plays
show the ability to put Peyton and all the other QBs on their arse

in other words, he needs to show all the things that he didn't really show last year
 
infantrycak said:
They both average 10-11 sacks a year, not 12-15. Start with unreasonable expectations and you will end up disappointed.
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I'm with you . Looking for a barometer ? Ten to twelve sacks should be a resonable expectation. The big thing will be....how has his hands play improved. i.e. how quickly does he get disengaged from the block. And how has the healed foot plus the loss of twenty pounds added to the quickness of his first step. No one was more surprised at the increased tallent level from the jump of college football tallent to pro football tallent than Mario. He should own the Bears tackles on passing plays. They have no one on that roster who should be able to block the guy on passing plays.
 
So .... if the Texans are top five in the NFL in defense and Mario starts every game ... I'd say he's done his job .


USFL
Pro career commenced 1984 with the Memphis Showboats
Registering 11 sacks in his first season landed him on the all-rookie team
In 34 starts he registered 23.5 sacks, 192 tackles (120 unassisted) and forced 7 fumbles.
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Can you guess who this was ?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.
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That's kind of where i'm at with it. I really don't expect him to come out & be the 2nd coming of Bruce Smith, I just expect him to be more of a force.

Whether that's with 8 sacks & a bunch of QB hurries/forced fumbles or with 10+ sacks & a little QB hurries/forced fumbles, I think he'll have done his part to help elevate the D-line & defense.
 
I'm not concerned with his numbers as much as I am concerned with how well he plays...

At times last year Mario looked completely lost, and then at other times he looked like one of the most dominant DE's in the game...

I guess the biggest thing I'm looking for from him is consistency...I want to see him consistently be a guy who pressures the QB...If he can do that then the sacks will follow...

I also want to see more consistency from him when it's a running play towards him...He's great when they run it to the opposite side, but he struggled last year when they ran directly at him...

I think he's going to play a lot better this year though...how much better will have to be seen...
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
So .... if the Texans are top five in the NFL in defense and Mario starts every game ... I'd say he's done his job .






Can you guess who this was ?
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Reggie White.

If only there was a vast electronic data network I could search from my desktop... <wink>
 
Second Honeymoon said:
show some heart
show a mean streak
show more quickness
show better technique
show the ability to make more plays
show the ability to put Peyton and all the other QBs on their arse

in other words, he needs to show all the things that he didn't really show last year
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So far Mario has been a lazy, injury prone combine warrior with poor technique. Plenty of physically gifted atheletes have poor technique since they never needed it before.

He was far outplayed by Courtney Brown if you compare their rookie seasons, and Brown is one of the kings of busts.
 
Vinny said:
too easy, but so far he ain't no Reggie White....how about something tough?
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I did'nt realize Reggie played two years in the USFL .

Mario should be a lot better this year .... a year under his belt , a coach that rides his butt , more help , and I don't think he's lazy ( see TJ ) .

If he's not a lot better then you have to wonder if he might be to nice because he's got the talent .
 
The1ApplePie said:
So far Mario has been a lazy, injury prone combine warrior with poor technique. Plenty of physically gifted atheletes have poor technique since they never needed it before.

He was far outplayed by Courtney Brown if you compare their rookie seasons, and Brown is one of the kings of busts.
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Mario could have 20 sacks and you would find something to say negative about him.

Yes he did not have a good statistic year, and at times he played like a rookie who was lost out there, but damn funny thing is, he was a rookie. Technique comes from learning what you did wrong most players coming into a rookie year need to improve there tecnique, but since he was not your man crush guy you will never ever say anything positive. The he showed by the end of the season he had learned at least some.

Injury prone would suggest he kept getting hurt, but that is not the truth what so ever. He had one injury that lasted all season and he played through it. How again is that showing laziness?
 
Specnatz said:
Mario could have 20 sacks and you would find something to say negative about him.

Yes he did not have a good statistic year, and at times he played like a rookie who was lost out there, but damn funny thing is, he was a rookie. Technique comes from learning what you did wrong most players coming into a rookie year need to improve there tecnique, but since he was not your man crush guy you will never ever say anything positive. The he showed by the end of the season he had learned at least some.

Injury prone would suggest he kept getting hurt, but that is not the truth what so ever. He had one injury that lasted all season and he played through it. How again is that showing laziness?
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Mario rushes the passer, gets blocked, gives up on the rush, the QB throws the pass 5 seconds later.

Pretty much the standard Mario play.

He's been injured twice already in camp this year.

I've got a Bush crush, you sure have a Mario crush Spec. So isn't that a "Kettle you're black!" kind of thing?

I've at least said Mario could be a good run stopper.

All you ever do is say "LoL, RB is a WR"
 
The1ApplePie said:
Mario rushes the passer, gets blocked, gives up on the rush, the QB throws the pass 5 seconds later.

Pretty much the standard Mario play.

He's been injured twice already in camp this year.

I've got a Bush crush, you sure have a Mario crush Spec. So isn't that a "Kettle you're black!" kind of thing?

I've at least said Mario could be a good run stopper.

All you ever do is say "LoL, RB is a WR"
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I think the reason some defend Mario is , he's a Texan .

Mario has to start looking like the force he can be and that's every game .

I pull for Mario because the only way the VY or RB talk will end is Mario becoming the real deal . Unless of course VY and RB fall on their face which is not likely .
 
A few of my thoughts:

Even though I remember "Mario is a Bust" and "Mario sucks" threads after game 1 last year, it's still too early to call the guy a bust. I personally thought that he had a solid season last year.

He came along like the rest of the defense did. As a unit, they started out horrible and showed improvement as the season progressed.

I will say that "solid" play isn't what should be expected from a 1st overall draft pick. You expect spectacular results from a guy drafted that high especially considering the guys they passed on.

I think that Jethro Franklin was brought in to get more from these D-Line first rounders. If he can't do it, then he'll be out pretty quick.

I still think that Reggie Bush couldn't have helped the offense much considering who the ball had to go through. I also think that he would have been leaving the season opener against the Eagles on a stretcher.
 
So what does Mario have to do this year......
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Break Vince Young's leg. :shades:

Seriously, though, he just need to keep developing into a consistent force on the line. This defensive line needs to show some fire, and not just from Mario. It needs to perform as a whole by actually pressuring the QB, which has been in short supply for the past couple of seasons.

I think my head is going to explode if I see our opponents' QBs just standing there with all the time in the world to wait for coverage to break down. Our pass rush was anemic, at best, and all of that has to change if this defense is going to amount to anything this year.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Mario rushes the passer, gets blocked, gives up on the rush, the QB throws the pass 5 seconds later.

Pretty much the standard Mario play.

He's been injured twice already in camp this year.

I've got a Bush crush, you sure have a Mario crush Spec. So isn't that a "Kettle you're black!" kind of thing?

I've at least said Mario could be a good run stopper.

All you ever do is say "LoL, RB is a WR"
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Please believe that if RB was here & he still had that pedestrian 2-3 ypc he'd be getting eaten alive here as well. Win wise, we'd still be right about where we are & the offense would still be trash.
 
Mr teX said:
Please believe that if RB was here & he still had that pedestrian 2-3 ypc he'd be getting eaten alive here as well. Win wise, we'd still be right about where we are & the offense would still be trash.
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The offense my still have been less than stellar, but he wouldn't be eaten alive by the fans...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
The offense my still have been less than stellar, but he wouldn't be eaten alive by the fans...
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I think he would b/c people would've been expecting him to score TD's on every carry/catch & avg. 5 ypc. Anything short of that & it would've been.. "see i told u he can't run between the tackles.." or "we need a RB not a WR...".

That's just the nature of a fan, much less ours. For top picks anything less than what they were able to do in college & people are complaining.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Mario rushes the passer, gets blocked, gives up on the rush, the QB throws the pass 5 seconds later.

Pretty much the standard Mario play.

He's been injured twice already in camp this year.

I've got a Bush crush, you sure have a Mario crush Spec. So isn't that a "Kettle you're black!" kind of thing?

I've at least said Mario could be a good run stopper.

All you ever do is say "LoL, RB is a WR"
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Reread what I wrote, I said Mario does need to learn, and that last year moving him around was not a good idea, I think it stunted some of his learning that he needs to do. I am just not as overly critical. I point out that he does need to do things better than last year. But you have already labled him a bust, and there is no way to say a rookie is a bust.

I do not have a Mario crush, but I do not hate the guy either. That is the huge differance. You hate the guy.

Weaver did not have a good year and TJ had his normal very poor showing, and until Maddox was incerted into the lineup, Mario had vertually no help on the D-line. Plus his sore foot and some poor techniques at times did not help either. J Peppers or R White can not do squat without supporting players. I am one who wants to see continued progress before I just trash a guy just cause he was not my choice.
 
The Mario excuses sound just like the Reggie Bush excuses:

"Mario draws double teams and allows others to play better!"

"Reggie controls the attention of the entire defense, and makes others play better!"

I refuse to believe either of these
 
Your right gtexan, both would be excuses.

bush would be nothing without the supporting cast he has, the same that Mario or any D lineman would be nothing without a supporting cast. Both still have a long way to go before they are in the top of there respective positions.
 
Sack VY 3+ times in two games and beat the Titans twice.
Tackle RB for a loss 2+ times (maybe ring his bell, or force a fumble on one of them :) ) and beat the Saints.
 
rickyb said:
Reggie White.

If only there was a vast electronic data network I could search from my desktop... <wink>
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that would actually be the mind of John Mc Clain right? Right? Where did all of you go? They were here just a minute ago. Me and John Mc CLain, John Mc Clain, we gotta thing going on.. Ok I'll stop.
 
Mr teX said:
statwise, to stave off you calling him the "b" word? I only ask b/c i happened to pop on Davies & dukes this morning & they were sort of talking about it.

Maybe you look at it differently, not so much what Mario has to do statwise, but what does the defensive unit/line have to accomplish for you to feel Mario is at least becoming the force you thought he could be?
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Mario simply put needs to put a smile on Bob McNair's face.
 
mario did what i thought he would do. actually i think he would have had 8 or 9 sacks if not for the foot problem. He's progressing and someone said earlier about being good isn't enough as number 1 pick, but wasn't russel maryland good but not great? he was a key member of a 3 time superbowl champ cowboys team. I think if he's healthy and the offense plays better, mario will have 70 tackles and 10 sacks, but unlike freeney, he plays the run very well. freeney can put pressure on the qb, but when teams have their playbook open and run the ball and control the clock, freeney is a non factor.
 
Mr teX said:
DC did that, & you see how that turned out....
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LOL! Touche'

Mario just needs to be a strong contributer helping the Texans get some wins. People won't throw the bust tag around so loosely if the team is getting W's by putting beating's on other teams.:texflag:
 
Mr teX said:
DC did that, & you see how that turned out....
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Yep, DC did five years but until McNair was convinced to move on... Is that possible with this #1 pick? Carr was the "face" of the team and Mario has the VY/Bush thing. Maybe McNair will hold out for Mario if needed. I do not think it will even be an issue cause Mario and the Dline going to be just fine.
 
After all of the high totals teams put up early, the defense and mario played better ;late. Actually, when dalton entered the team, the run defense improved greatly, but carr just plain sucked. I mean the running game avg 130 per game the last month and the passing game still didn't do anything.
 
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