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GILBERT, Ariz. (AP) -- Tank Johnson's blood alcohol level was below the legal limit when the former Chicago Bears tackle was arrested on suspicion of drunken driving June 22.

Johnson's blood alcohol level was .072, under the presumptive limit in Arizona of .08 percent, police Sgt. Andrew Duncan said Monday. No charges have been filed pending results of a completed investigation.

Johnson, whose legal name is Terry Darnell Johnson, was arrested when officers pulled him over at 3:30 a.m. for driving 40 mph in a 25 mph zone. Duncan said an officer placed him under arrest because he believed Johnson was under the influence of alcohol. He was released without being booked or charged after providing a blood sample, and police said he was very cooperative.

The 25-year-old player was released by the Bears three days after his arrest. The team said it was "upset and embarrassed" by the defensive tackle's legal troubles.

The Bears declined comment Monday. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-tankjohnson-trafficstop&prov=ap&type=lgns

Well, a lawsuit is coming down the piike.... Maybe we should sign him once the suspension is up...
 
Well, let's not make him out to be a saint or anything. He did drink, and then he drove. Furthermore, nothing good ever happens at 2AM. He put himself in a bad position, even if he does manage to get out of it.

The Bears, on the other hand, jumped the gun on this one, and they probably should get sued for it.
 
I wish I could say the same thing about the Bears jumping the gun, but I supported this guy when he got out of jail, thinking he sounded remorsefull and serious about staying out of trouble. I bought his act too. Even though he was found to be under the limit or whatever, he still is putting himself in bad situations. As Eriadoc says, nothing good happens at 2:00am.
 
eriadoc said:
The Bears, on the other hand, jumped the gun on this one, and they probably should get sued for it.
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He can't sue the nfl for releasing him because it does not prevent him from getting another job with another team,plus I think they are still on the hook for this years salary.

His dumbass should not have been out drinking after 2 am, much less midnight. The Bears told him upfront, they would have a zero tolerance policy. That is exactly what they did. He brought it upon himself to be an ignorant dumbass and be out at that time and have .072 blood alcohol level.
 
I just don't understand why this guys just don't take a cab. What will it cost them for a night? $100 bucks...... I think they can afford that.
 
eriadoc said:
Well, let's not make him out to be a saint or anything. He did drink, and then he drove.
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You got it pal. Dang I like this new commish - anybody that has something that approachs a zero tolerance attitude for D & D gets my vote.
Too bad the larger soceity does not have a policy (laws I guess), of taking anybody and everybody from behind the wheel of a car if they have "ANY" booze in their system.
 
eriadoc said:
Well, let's not make him out to be a saint or anything. He did drink, and then he drove. Furthermore, nothing good ever happens at 2AM. He put himself in a bad position, even if he does manage to get out of it.

The Bears, on the other hand, jumped the gun on this one, and they probably should get sued for it.
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From what I understand, a player can be released from a team at any time. I applaud the Bears for going this route. I just think it's too bad that it took them so long.

How long until Pac Man gets HIS walking papers?

And he blew .072 so saying he was sober is misleading. People can be fairly sober, even when they blow over and people can be fall-down drunk and not blow over. Body weight has a large part to play in it too.
 
1. Nothing good happens after 2 AM (best espisode of "How I Met Your Mother", ever!).

2. Nothing good happens at strip clubs. (more Pacman than Tank!)

3. You're frickin' rich. Take a cab, limo, etc. Period.
 
Elle said:
Here's an idea I suggested to the Saints back a few years ago when a guy was picked up at 2am in the Quarter. Call up a towing company and cook a deal. Get a good rate for high volume. Load up the car, put the player in the truck and deliver them home. That wouldn't cost more that $50 a pop. The cab thing wouldn't work well in NOLA because the car would probably be gone the next day.

I mean, it's not rocket science!

Around here the news is always reporting shootings and car wrecks at 2-4 am. People are stupid.
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I meant that they should take a cab from their home. Don't even drive your car at all that night. But I know why they don't do that, cause they wanna ride in Style, in their nice lexus, mercedes, etc. And if they pick up a girl, a cab would be awkard for them.
 
raytex said:
I meant that they should take a cab from their home. Don't even drive your car at all that night. But I know why they don't do that, cause they wanna ride in Style, in their nice lexus, mercedes, etc. And if they pick up a girl, a cab would be awkard for them.
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Rent a limo, they could still afford it, plus have more fun on the way home.
 
hadaad said:
From what I understand, a player can be released from a team at any time. I applaud the Bears for going this route. I just think it's too bad that it took them so long.

How long until Pac Man gets HIS walking papers?

And he blew .072 so saying he was sober is misleading. People can be fairly sober, even when they blow over and people can be fall-down drunk and not blow over. Body weight has a large part to play in it too.
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I heard on the radio, that the difference between Pac Man and Tank is their importance to their team. The radio guy was questioning if it was Tommie Harris, not Tank Johnson that was in trouble. The Bears wouldn't have let him go and that is why the titans still allow Pac Man to hang around.
 
V Man said:
I heard on the radio, that the difference between Pac Man and Tank is their importance to their team. The radio guy was questioning if it was Tommie Harris, not Tank Johnson that was in trouble. The Bears wouldn't have let him go and that is why the titans still allow Pac Man to hang around.
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Maybe it is the class of the owner. (or in the titans case lack there of)
 
God is good. I remember a time that I didn't leave the late show at the club until 4:00 a.m, after having a few drinks. I don't do the d&d anymore, but I don't have a self imposed curfew either. If someone is bent on doing the right or wrong thing, time of day won't matter. There are times I am out just having a good time, perhaps a friends gathering, and I am on the streets late, and although I don't drive reckless, I probably don't observe school zone hours either.

If the Bears were embarrassed to keep Johnson on the team, then cutting him is their call to make. If Johnson was legally intoxicated, then he should have been treated in the same manner as anyone else in that situation. However, if not, then I don't agree with imposing "close enough" consequences. If he was speeding, and apparently he was, then a ticket was in order. IMO, this is the way it should be, but unfortunately in the case of high profile individuals, appearance is more important than reality.
 
I'm the only one here thinking, "Not legally drunk? Yeah, he's a tank alright."

Seriously though, some mentalities you will never understand.
 
Specnatz said:
He can't sue the nfl for releasing him because it does not prevent him from getting another job with another team,plus I think they are still on the hook for this years salary.
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That's why the Bears should be sued... they tried to renig on the balance owed...
 
Specnatz said:
Nope, because they were not stupid he was. He promised to not get into trouble. He got stopped at 3:30 am for speeding and he broke his promise.
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hahaha.. got released for speeding..

i like tank... and i hope he gets signed by someone...
 
I understand the Bear's stance on what they expect out of their players, especially those who already have a history of , but driving 40 in a 25 mph zone is one that probably a lot of people would fail unless it was a school zone. I think Johnson was in a no-win situation and probably anything less than perfect, which isn't human, would have been grounds for termination. Therefore, the sooner the ties are cut, both are in a position to move on.

I can also understand the cut before any relevant facts, especially coming from a team that took forever to give their great performing coach a raise. Hopefully Johnson will get a fresh start with another team and can meet the demands of on and off the team performance.
 
eriadoc said:
Well, let's not make him out to be a saint or anything. He did drink, and then he drove. Furthermore, nothing good ever happens at 2AM. He put himself in a bad position, even if he does manage to get out of it.

The Bears, on the other hand, jumped the gun on this one, and they probably should get sued for it.
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I am not an advocate, but I do have some domain expertise in the valuation of economic damages in such cases.

As you know, anyone can sue anyone for anything. So, I will not opine on whether the Bears will/will not be sued.

But to make a case, Mr. Johnson will have to prove 1) impairment to his future economic earnings stream, and 2) that the Bears organization are responsible.

I fail to see where he passes test #1. He is physically capable of playing after his suspension. His personal behavior led to his release. A millionare football player is going to have a hard time getting sympathy from a jury of 12.

My personal opinion: Tank's energy and focus would be better spent on working out, skills development, and catching on with another team.

Just my $0.02, worth about that.
Rick
 
Specnatz said:
No he got released because he is ignorant and can't stay out of trouble.
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lol... do you know how many NFL players get speeding tickets.. and dont bring the whole prison stuff into this because thats over and thats in the past... so now yall are saying that he's still a bad person because he got a speeding ticket and got a DUI because he got discriminated against.... since tanks got out of prison i havent seen nothing to tell me that he hasnt changed and now yall are saying that hes still ignorant... but now just take a look at yourselves and ask who's being ignorant
 
eriadoc said:
Well, let's not make him out to be a saint or anything. He did drink, and then he drove. Furthermore, nothing good ever happens at 2AM. He put himself in a bad position, even if he does manage to get out of it.

The Bears, on the other hand, jumped the gun on this one, and they probably should get sued for it.
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More than likely, he was out with his father, uncles and cousins, because his dad is finally getting re-married after losing his first wife of 18 years. They were out late at Uncle Joe's house playing some Texas hold 'em and drinking a few. About midnight his dad wasn't feeling so Tank and his brother took Dad homee but then figured to play it safe went by the hospital. The hospital okayed him and said he needed rest so Tank took him home then dropped off his brother.
He was a few minutes home when the burritos start playing games with his stomach and he started thinking how uncool it would be if plastered all over the news was Tank johnson crapped his pants, so he increased the speed a little on a road that is pretty safe driving 40 mph on.
Then he gets pulled over and the officer wins the bet on who can bring a celebrity in first.
Funny thing though.. he is always clowning around saying "my name is taaank" and rolling off his hood, like the oriental gangster off Mad TV... I personally feel this is why the officer thought he was drunk.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=94N9wMuK8B4
 
Specnatz said:
No he got released because he is ignorant and can't stay out of trouble.
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That's not why he got released...

He got released because of inaccurate details, because if the true details had come out about this event he would have never been released and we probably would have never heard about this...

It irks me when people talk about these young athletes and what they 'should be doing'...

Yeah right, give me a break...We're talking about guys in there early and mid twenties...Hell, they like to go and have fun and act their age...

I'm not saying it's o.k to put yourself in bad situations or to go out and act a fool, but some of you act like these guys should just play football, go home, and work-out...

These guys have lives and sometimes $#!^ happens....But that doesn't make them stupid or ignorant....it just makes them human...
 
Just curious... Are you suggesting that getting in trouble is normal and easier than being an upstanding, law abiding citizen - fortunate enough to make a lot of jack... At least, for everyone of these A-holes (and I was one that gave Tank the benefit of the doubt when he got out of jail) there are stories of good guys, giving back to their respective communities and setting examples for youth....

What kind of moron, puts their career in jeopardy??!?!?... I don't give a rats ASS what the circumstances were. You just got released from jail. You have been given an 8 or 10 game suspension.

Is it too much to ask be home at a decent hour? Is it too much to ask to drive the speed limit? Is it too much to ask to refrain from drinking? If it is, is too much to ask to take a cab?

Again, I gave this jackweed the benefit of the doubt as he got out of jail. He sounded remorseful, and he sounded as though he wanted to change his ways, which would include: NOT PUTTING YOURSELF IN ANY SITUATION THAT YOU COULD EVEN POTENTIALLY GET IN TROUBLE FOR.....

I hope Goodell suspends him for the entire season. Make an example of him, Pac-man and any other ***** that thinks their station in life gives them special privileges. This crap has been going on way too long in the NFL (and other professional sports too) and if takes an iron fist to crack down - so be it!!!
 
Texan_Bill said:
NOT PUTTING YOURSELF IN ANY SITUATION THAT YOU COULD EVEN POTENTIALLY GET IN TROUBLE FOR.....
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LOL...get outta here...

What do you want the guy to do ? Stay locked up in a padded room and only come out to watch film, workout, practice and play ?

These guys don't get into anymore trouble than the general population, 'cept when your neighbor gets pulled over for speeding it's not headline news...

Speeding is nothing...Just about everyone speeds....Just about everyone has gone out and had a few drinks and drove home....

My point is that in this little incident in particular, he didn't do anything that would classify him as ignorant or any of the other adjectives used to describe him...

These guys are humans and they have lives. Being a saint isn't required by regular citizens so I'm not sure why it's almost demanded out of athletes...

I guess you expected the guy to sit at home watching Mork and Mindy re-runs until it was time for him to watch film, practice, work-out and play.....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
That's not why he got released...

He got released because of inaccurate details, because if the true details had come out about this event he would have never been released and we probably would have never heard about this...

It irks me when people talk about these young athletes and what they 'should be doing'...

Yeah right, give me a break...We're talking about guys in there early and mid twenties...Hell, they like to go and have fun and act their age...

I'm not saying it's o.k to put yourself in bad situations or to go out and act a fool, but some of you act like these guys should just play football, go home, and work-out...
These guys have lives and sometimes $#!^ happens....But that doesn't make them stupid or ignorant....it just makes them human...
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OK, speeding and slight imparement was the charge and it happened around 3:30am. Just because he was not legally drunk does not make it wrong to say he was slightly impared, of course since they do not have that one in Texas I am not familiar with it.

Who is acting like he should be a choir boy or a saint? He just got done serving time, the bears said zero tolerance.

ZERO!

This was what the first night or at the very least the first weekend after OTAs and he went home to Arizona. All of these factors played a part in him getting released. He plays football so no matter what he does he should never lose his job because of off the field stuff.

I am just curious when is the last time you had a speeding ticket or anyone else on this board. It has been 6 years since I last got a speeding ticket, and I was able to take defesive driving.

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lol... do you know how many NFL players get speeding tickets.. and dont bring the whole prison stuff into this because thats over and thats in the past... so now yall are saying that he's still a bad person because he got a speeding ticket and got a DUI because he got discriminated against.... since tanks got out of prison i havent seen nothing to tell me that he hasnt changed and now yall are saying that hes still ignorant... but now just take a look at yourselves and ask who's being ignorant
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WOW, are you kidding me? It should not surprise me at all that what ever a black man does you will be there to say it is ok for him to do it. I am sure you think it is perfectly ok for the cop who shot his ex. The prison stuff as you call it, is not in the past. The NFL has said that still plays a factor in everything he does from here on out. His suspension is 8 games and can be reduced to 6 games as long as he does everything set forth by Roger Goodell, which is guidelines of behavior, which include going to counseling.

Drinking and speeding at 3:30 am shows you he has changed his ways and you call everyone else ignorant? Now that is funny.
 
Specnatz said:
I am just curious when is the last time you had a speeding ticket or anyone else on this board. It has been 6 years since I last got a speeding ticket, and I was able to take defesive driving.
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I don't get speeding tickets...Though I got pulled over for speeding about a year ago, but like I said, I don't get tickets...

But we aren't talking about members on this board...We're talking about a young man who doesn't have to worry about money...A young man who probably want to be a 'young man'...

I don't think he should have to live his life like he is a middle aged family man because he plays football for a living...That works for some people, but for all we know the guy could have been out having a good spirited time, had a couple drinks and got caught going 10 or 15 over the speed limit trying to get home to his bed...

This is not an irregular occurence...it just so happens that a lot of people don't get pulled over, and those who do get pulled over aren't plastered on every sports media outlet...

At this point they have released a guy for speeding, and living his life like a young man.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
LOL...get outta here...

What do you want the guy to do ? Stay locked up in a padded room and only come out to watch film, workout, practice and play ?

These guys don't get into anymore trouble than the general population, 'cept when your neighbor gets pulled over for speeding it's not headline news...

Speeding is nothing...Just about everyone speeds....Just about everyone has gone out and had a few drinks and drove home....

My point is that in this little incident in particular, he didn't do anything that would classify him as ignorant or any of the other adjectives used to describe him...

These guys are humans and they have lives. Being a saint isn't required by regular citizens so I'm not sure why it's almost demanded out of athletes...

I guess you expected the guy to sit at home watching Mork and Mindy re-runs until it was time for him to watch film, practice, work-out and play.....
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Dude, quit making excuses for the guy. If this guy would spend half of the energy that you do in defending him, he could keep his nose clean. There are plenty of athletes that go out and yet they manage to stay out of trouble. There are many, many, many good guys in the NFL and other sports that stay not only out of trouble - but dont put themselves in any situation that could get them in or near trouble.

Going back, lets look at this guy's track record:

2005: arrested after a Chicago nightclub valet reported seeing Johnson with a handgun in his SUV. He subsequently pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge.

December 2006: police raided the 300-pound defensive tackle's suburban Chicago home and found six unregistered firearms.

Two days after last December's raid, Willie B. Posey, Johnson's bodyguard, was shot and killed in an early morning fight while he and Johnson were at a Chicago nightclub.

Then.... Puts himself in this latest predicament.
Those chain of events = ignorant, stupid, doltish, unintelligent, obtuse... You name it, he is the walking definition of it.

Perhaps he should've stayed home and watched Mork and Mindy (although thats cruel and unusual punishment).

Ray Lewis put himself in an extremely bad situation a few years back, but has managed to stay far away from trouble ever since then. How is that he can? Speeding is breaking the law. Skating by on his BAC was lucky. Be that as it may, he should not have been drinking and driving, whether he was legally okay or not - period. DONT PUT YOURSELF IN THAT POSITION.... Why is that so hard to comprehend for him??
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't get speeding tickets...Though I got pulled over for speeding about a year ago, but like I said, I don't get tickets...

But we aren't talking about members on this board...We're talking about a young man who doesn't have to worry about money...A young man who probably want to be a 'young man'...

I don't think he should have to live his life like he is a middle aged family man because he plays football for a living...That works for some people, but for all we know the guy could have been out having a good spirited time, had a couple drinks and got caught going 10 or 15 over the speed limit trying to get home to his bed...

This is not an irregular occurence...it just so happens that a lot of people don't get pulled over, and those who do get pulled over aren't plastered on every sports media outlet...

At this point they have released a guy for speeding, and living his life like a young man.
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I understand all that but the fact of the matter the guy just got out of jail and knew he had to keep his butt out of trouble but he could not do that for one week after OTA. I speed all the time, but not 15 over the limit, about 7 to 10. But If I get a speeding ticket I can bet you I get the ticket and then I drive home not take a ride in the back of a squad car. When you have been given a chance to redeem yourself you have to take it and not screw it up. He took the oppertunity and then threw it out the window.

The whole arguement about him living the life of a middle-aged man is bogus. He put himself in that situation.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
That's not why he got released...

He got released because of inaccurate details, because if the true details had come out about this event he would have never been released and we probably would have never heard about this...

It irks me when people talk about these young athletes and what they 'should be doing'...

Yeah right, give me a break...We're talking about guys in there early and mid twenties...Hell, they like to go and have fun and act their age...

I'm not saying it's o.k to put yourself in bad situations or to go out and act a fool, but some of you act like these guys should just play football, go home, and work-out...

These guys have lives and sometimes $#!^ happens....But that doesn't make them stupid or ignorant....it just makes them human...
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I think part of the reason was that he hasn't changed his life like he told the bears he would. There is a difference between going to a bar and having a couple of drinks with friends and being out till 3 or 330. Plus there is a certain amount of responsibility about getting yourself home safe after a night at the bar. He can certainly afford a cab ride and should have used it. These actions don't show a whole lot of maturity. I hope he looks at his actions and reevaluates his actions. It would be a shame for a him to not be able to move forward with his life.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
At this point they have released a guy for speeding, and living his life like a young man.
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Wrong.. They suspended him for "embarrassing the Bears organization"...... yet again!!

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CHICAGO - Tank Johnson was released Monday by the Chicago Bears, who are "embarrassed" by the defensive tackle's legal troubles and say he "compromised the credibility" of the team
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Texan_Bill said:
Ray Lewis put himself in an extremely bad situation a few years back, but has managed to stay far away from trouble ever since then. How is that he can? Speeding is breaking the law. Skating by on his BAC was lucky. Be that as it may, he should not have been drinking and driving, whether he was legally okay or not - period. DONT PUT YOURSELF IN THAT POSITION.... Why is that so hard to comprehend for him??
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I don't see what his past has to do with this particular incident other than the fact that his past dealings is probably what caused a rush to judgement.

But if we're talking about whether or not this particular incident was enough 'trouble' for him to get released over, I just flat out disagree. so he sped...whoop....e....

And I understand what you mean about not putting yourself in bad situations, but that is up for individual interpretation and debate...I don't think in this particular incident getting a speeding ticket and driving home at 3am is punishable by being cut...I don't think it says anything about his character or intelligence....I just think the guy is a young man who didn't have to go to work the next day and was just out socializing, mingling, and doing what every young man who has a social life does...

And IMHO, that speeding ticket is nothing...that's not even worth mentioning because it's so insignificant...
 
Specnatz said:
I understand all that but the fact of the matter the guy just got out of jail and knew he had to keep his butt out of trouble but he could not do that for one week after OTA. I speed all the time, but not 15 over the limit, about 7 to 10. But If I get a speeding ticket I can bet you I get the ticket and then I drive home not take a ride in the back of a squad car. When you have been given a chance to redeem yourself you have to take it and not screw it up. He took the oppertunity and then threw it out the window.

The whole arguement about him living the life of a middle-aged man is bogus. He put himself in that situation.
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LOL...ok whatever....

I don't think the Bears were at fault because of his past history...I don't blame them for rushing to judgement...

But I don't think in this particular incident Tank did anything over the top or anything that qualified him to be cut...JMO, and we can agree to disagree.. no harm there...
 
Texan_Bill said:
Wrong.. They suspended him for "embarrassing the Bears organization"...... yet again!!
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Sure...

They're just ashamed and embarrassed that one of their players would ever be caught speeding...That has got to be like one of the worst offenses ever!!
 
awtysst said:
I think part of the reason was that he hasn't changed his life like he told the bears he would. There is a difference between going to a bar and having a couple of drinks with friends and being out till 3 or 330. Plus there is a certain amount of responsibility about getting yourself home safe after a night at the bar. He can certainly afford a cab ride and should have used it. These actions don't show a whole lot of maturity. I hope he looks at his actions and reevaluates his actions. It would be a shame for a him to not be able to move forward with his life.
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To each his own.

I don't see anything wrong with partying or hanging out till 2 or 3am...

Partying til the sun comes up isn't a crime, nor does it mean that you are out committing crimes, nor does it mean you are out just acting foolish...

But as I've told a few folks...we can agree to disagree...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't see what his past has to do with this particular incident other than the fact that his past dealings is probably what caused a rush to judgement.

But if we're talking about whether or not this particular incident was enough 'trouble' for him to get released over, I just flat out disagree. so he sped...whoop....e....

And I understand what you mean about not putting yourself in bad situations, but that is up for individual interpretation and debate...I don't think in this particular incident getting a speeding ticket and driving home at 3am is punishable by being cut...I don't think it says anything about his character or intelligence....I just think the guy is a young man who didn't have to go to work the next day and was just out socializing, mingling, and doing what every young man who has a social life does...

And IMHO, that speeding ticket is nothing...that's not even worth mentioning because it's so insignificant...
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I guess you see a problem with 3 strikes and you're out, too? It's called a chain of events. Whether you realize it or not, they show quite a bit about a persons character.

Apparently the Bears don't agree with you. They would rather cut ties and rid themselves of a cancer that has pissed away second chance opportunities. Everyone gets the concept of going out. BUT, no one in their right mind, would have put that much on the line for the sake of being a young man, out socializing. Please, socializing at 3:00/3:30 in the morning.. Whats wrong with meeting up with the fellas but saying you need to leave early because you dont want to be on the streets that late??... I guess thats an ignorant question on my part, because this is a guy that likes to roll with his posse, weapons and in situations where his body guard gets killed... Why does he need a body guard anyway. I never saw Doug Smith, Sean Jones, William Fuller or Ray Childress rolling with their posses or bodyguards. When I met a Texans D-lineman at Sullivans, he was there with a college friend that happened to be in town on business. They left about 9:45.

If I was Tank and the Bears told me that they had 0 tolerance for any (repeat) any trouble, the Chinese delivery service and I would become very good friends. I would be afraid of getting into a fender bender, let alone going out to "socialize".... A guy in their early 20's can't show some restraint.

Please tell me that you wouldn't go to Orenthal James' book signing tour if it were to come here, just because he was *ahem* acquitted.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
To each his own.

I don't see anything wrong with partying or hanging out till 2 or 3am...

Partying til the sun comes up isn't a crime, nor does it mean that you are out committing crimes, nor does it mean you are out just acting foolish...

But as I've told a few folks...we can agree to disagree...
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Again dude.... You cant see through the forest.

The guy has a wrap sheet. He's known to get in trouble. He went through the motions of expressing his BS about "changing his ways"...

Wow, if partying all night is changing your ways, maybe there's a hell of a lot of things that Tank was into, that never came out...

Its ALL starting to clear up for me now. :rolleyes:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't see what his past has to do with this particular incident other than the fact that his past dealings is probably what caused a rush to judgement.

But if we're talking about whether or not this particular incident was enough 'trouble' for him to get released over, I just flat out disagree. so he sped...whoop....e....

And I understand what you mean about not putting yourself in bad situations, but that is up for individual interpretation and debate...I don't think in this particular incident getting a speeding ticket and driving home at 3am is punishable by being cut...I don't think it says anything about his character or intelligence....I just think the guy is a young man who didn't have to go to work the next day and was just out socializing, mingling, and doing what every young man who has a social life does...

And IMHO, that speeding ticket is nothing...that's not even worth mentioning because it's so insignificant...
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Unfortunatly when a person makes a mistake(such as not having a permit for guns) and then later gets arrested and spends time in jail people will see him in a different light. It is unfortuante, but many times you have to prove to people that you have changed your life.

I used to work in Youth Corrections, and many of my kids told me how they had to earn the trust of other people and that it was not automatically given to them. the same thing with forgivness, it had to be earned, it was not automatically given.


From what I understand(and I could be wrong), Tank was driving erratically and that was the reason the police pulled him over. He clealry had been drinking but of course was not proven legally drunk(but was probably a bit buzzed). To me, this is an example of a bad decision. Tank is rich enough to afford taking a cab home from the bar nor have a designatede driver get him home. He believed that he was ok to drive and in my mind made a bad decision.

I believe he would still be a Bear today if he had simply taken a cab or had a designated driver get him home. Something like this speaks of a lack of maturity. Based on his previous charges, I was hoping he would get himself into a better state of mind and make positive changes. He has an 8 game suspension looming, so I am hopeful he can take that time to grow, mature, and develop better decision making skills.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
To each his own.

I don't see anything wrong with partying or hanging out till 2 or 3am...

Partying til the sun comes up isn't a crime, nor does it mean that you are out committing crimes, nor does it mean you are out just acting foolish...

But as I've told a few folks...we can agree to disagree...
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I think that the real issue is being safe and proviidng a safe enviornment for others. That is an aspect of maturity. Sure, there is nothign really wrong with partying late, but the question is how are you gonna get yourself home? Are you going to take a chance and drive intoxicated(or buzzed) and potentially endanger your life or the lives of others? or, will you make a more mature decision and choose to take a cab or use a designated driver. I think its an issue of maturity.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I would be afraid of getting into a fender bender, let alone going out to "socialize".... A guy in their early 20's can't show some restraint.
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That's the differnence between you and I and a million other folks...

I choose not to live my life in a bubble constantly giving myself whiplash trying to look over my shoulder and around corners to make sure trouble isn't waiting...Yes he made mistakes in the past and for all I know he could be a down right dirty, nasty person who attracts trouble, but with the details of this particular story he wasn't doing anything over the top that every young American boy doesn't do...

The Bears don't release Tank if false information doesn't come out. Period.
 
awtysst said:
I think that the real issue is being safe and proviidng a safe enviornment for others. That is an aspect of maturity. Sure, there is nothign really wrong with partying late, but the question is how are you gonna get yourself home? Are you going to take a chance and drive intoxicated(or buzzed) and potentially endanger your life or the lives of others? or, will you make a more mature decision and choose to take a cab or use a designated driver. I think its an issue of maturity.
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He wasn't drunk though.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think this situation was that extreme.


If you're telling me it's immature, period, to have a drink and then drive I disagree. I don't think it's practical to call a cab everytime you want to go out.

I work and go to school a long with a million other things, but I can party till 2 in the morning, and then wake up and go to work the very next day...then go to school and do it all over again...I know my limits...I know how to go out, have fun without my night being capped off with a visit downtown...

Some people can handle things differently than other people...being mature is about knowing your limits and not over-stepping those boundaries in which case would cause you to jeopardize your life in some form or fashion...

Being mature isn't about following what people have pre-determined is right for you...infact that's an example of immaturity...

If you can't go out and party AND stay out of trouble, you are immature...I've never been pulled over after a night of partying...never have had a wreck....never have gotten into any altercations at a bar or club...

Yeah sometimes trouble is unavoidable, but in this case the onyl real trouble was the fact that he was speeding, and as I said to that whoop...e....

Bears don't release him if all he is originally charged with is speeding.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
That's the differnence between you and I and a million other folks...

I choose not to live my life in a bubble constantly giving myself whiplash trying to look over my shoulder and around corners to make sure trouble isn't waiting...Yes he made mistakes in the past and for all I know he could be a down right dirty, nasty person who attracts trouble, but the with the details of this particular story he wasn't doing anything over the top that every young American boy doesn't do...

I'm done with this now because I find it ridiculous. The Bears don't release Tank if false information doesn't come out. Period.
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You and a million other people aren't in the same situation that Tank is in.

Let's say, just for grins, that you go to jail for something. It doesn't really matter what. And your employer, whoever that is, tells you that you can keep your job as long as you don't have any other negative encounters with the law. And let's say you agree to that, not that you have much choice.

So, do you stay out till 3 am drinking with your buds and then choose to drive home? When you're driving home, are you extra careful so you don't get pulled over or do you just drive like you would normally? Would you even continue to drive fast knowing that even getting pulled over for speeding could cost you your job?

People make bad decisions like this all the time. People get out on probabion all the time and then go back to hanging around with the same people and doing the same things that put them in jail to begin with. A lot of people don't think ahead and don't think anything bad is going to happen.

From my understanding, the agreement that Tank had with the Bears was that there would be no more negative encounters with the law. That doesn't mean that he's got to be charged with a crime or convicted of it. That means that he's got to stop putting himself into compromising positions. Tank knew that any sort of run-in with the law could cost him his job. He made the choice to try to walk the edge. And so he's got to live with the consequences.

That's life.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
You and a million other people aren't in the same situation that Tank is in.

Let's say, just for grins, that you go to jail for something. It doesn't really matter what. And your employer, whoever that is, tells you that you can keep your job as long as you don't have any other negative encounters with the law. And let's say you agree to that, not that you have much choice.
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So you're basically saying you think he got cut for speeding...

If my employer told me I couldn't even get a speeding ticket or I'd be fired I probably laugh, say "I'll save you the trouble and quit" and then I'd be working somewhere else within a week or so...

If I got a DUI and my employer found out and said, If you have anymore legal troubles like this I would still go out, I just wouldn't drink or would really limit myself or ride with someone else....But I wouldn't start to live in a bubble and stay away from what I like to do as fun....


My Dad fell out of a tree stand one year and broke his ankle...should he never hunt again ?

A bunch of people have been hurt riding rollercoasters at amusments parks...does this mean I should never ride a coaster again ?

Sometimes bad things happen that you aren't bringing on yourself, and in this case being accused of drunken driving was a 'bad thing' that Tank didn't bring onto himself...Of course it could have been avoided if he decided to turn into a hobbit, or a prude and lock himself in a padded room, but the same can be said about every bad event that can happen...

Teenage girls wouldn't get pregnant if parents locked them up, you'd never slip and hurt your ankle if you never moved and sat still for the rest of your life...You'd never get into a wreck if you walked everywhere...You'd never get bit by a mosquito if you stayed indoors for the rest of your life...You'd never die in a plane crash if you didn't fly...You'd never drown an a ship if you never took a cruise...You'd never catch a cold if you lived inside a bubble...

People are going to live their lives, and they may not live them how you see fit, but this mans only 'real' offense was speeding...

You guys are just coming down on him because he was caught speeding at night...What if he'd have gotten caught speeding in the daytime and thought to have been drunk, but it later came back that he wasn't ? Would that change everything? Or is it just the fact that you think "3 am" is much too late for any sensible person to be out ?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
He wasn't drunk though.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think this situation was that extreme.


If you're telling me it's immature, period, to have a drink and then drive I disagree. I don't think it's practical to call a cab everytime you want to go out.

I work and go to school a long with a million other things, but I can party till 2 in the morning, and then wake up and go to work the very next day...then go to school and do it all over again...I know my limits...I know how to go out, have fun without my night being capped off with a visit downtown...

Some people can handle things differently than other people...being mature is about knowing your limits and not over-stepping those boundaries in which case would cause you to jeopardize your life in some form or fashion...

Being mature isn't about following what people have pre-determined is right for you...infact that's an example of immaturity...

If you can't go out and party AND stay out of trouble, you are immature...I've never been pulled over after a night of partying...never have had a wreck....never have gotten into any altercations at a bar or club...

Yeah sometimes trouble is unavoidable, but in this case the onyl real trouble was the fact that he was speeding, and as I said to that whoop...e....

Bears don't release him if all he is originally charged with is speeding.
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He wasn't legally drunk, but he was buzzed enough that he was driving erratically. Also the man is 300+ pounds, so it is not a question of having a drink but more a case of several drinks. And Yes, I say if you are going to go out and drink you get a designated driver or take a cab EVERYTIME. THAT is the mark of maturity. Matutiy says that if you are incapable of driving, and that happens after you have a few drinks at the bar, you get yourself home in a safe way. Everyone will become buzzed or drunk if they injest enough alcohol. The difference is that Tank at 300 can drink more than me at 170 and I can drink more than my girlfriend at 125. Its just a matter of time.

I don't know you and if you can go out and party and go to school and work thats your business, I just hope you have a safe way of getting home afterwards. I would hate for you or anyone else to get hurt or worse just becuase its "impractical to take a cab".

The issue, as I understand, wasnt just speeding, but erratic driving. With the fact that he had been drinking, I imagine that he was likely buzzed. Bad decision Tank, if you had just exercised a little better judgment, you would still be a Bear today.
 
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