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Carr has trade value? YEAH. RIGHT!

Marcus

Marcus

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With John Lopez writing a column in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
All it takes is one GM dumb enough to buy into the idea that David Carr is a good player.


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Phillip Buchanan and Todd Wade
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nice signature. haha. With the Vikings' release of Brad Johnson, that MAY be an indicator that Minnesota's ready to make their move for David Carr.
I doubt they're going to want Tarvaris Jackson and Brooks Bollinger to be the only 2 competing in camp.
 
Maybe Cass will get a GM job before the draft. Carr could get us a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and swap 4th's.

Hey Lopez does read this MB, I did call it Bloody Wednesday.

Your welcome John.
 
So what do we have here? Wishful thinking that there's a dumb GM out there? lol:

In the end, don't be pissed if they cut Carr without getting anything for him. Or, more likely, don't be pissed if they have to keep him because they can't get anything for him.
 
Marcus said:
With John Lopez writing a column in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.
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Nah, Carr's value is low due solely to his performance on the field.
 
Marcus said:
With John Lopez writing a column in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.
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Exactly right. If ever there was a time to "say nothing if you can't say something positive" this would be it. Sadly, we are way past that wisdom with some people.

On the plus side, there are voices out there in the media that still like DC and are pumping him up a bit. For example, Mike Golic this morning on ESPN2 Mike and Mike said..."I like David Carr, he is still a young guy with a ton of talent that maybe did not develop as much as you would have liked but I like him a lot". They may not be the exact quote but I think it is pretty close.
 
People have ego's..Coaches in general seem to have huge ego's.

There will be someone out there that thinks that they can be the one to "turn David around."

Outside of Houston in other markets, the general thought seems to be that David Carr is a good QB on a bad team.
 
humbleone said:
On the plus side, there are voices out there in the media that still like DC and are pumping him up a bit. For example, Mike Golic this morning on ESPN2 Mike and Mike said..."I like David Carr, he is still a young guy with a ton of talent that maybe did not develop as much as you would have liked but I like him a lot". They may not be the exact quote but I think it is pretty close.
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Finally, that check cleared weeks ago.
 
humbleone said:
Exactly right. If ever there was a time to "say nothing if you can't say something positive" this would be it. Sadly, we are way past that wisdom with some people.

On the plus side, there are voices out there in the media that still like DC and are pumping him up a bit. For example, Mike Golic this morning on ESPN2 Mike and Mike said..."I like David Carr, he is still a young guy with a ton of talent that maybe did not develop as much as you would have liked but I like him a lot". They may not be the exact quote but I think it is pretty close.
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It is close and I agree with him. The alternatives out there are what? Old Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Jeff Garcia, Jake Plummer??? The only one out of the bunch I'd be ok with is Garcia, but he's just a finger in the dike, which according to many here is basically what Carr would be. Why not just stand pat with Carr, who's younger and obviously durable, pray he has a better season with some more talent on the line in front of him and then reassess his trade value.

I'm all for drafting a QB this season...Edwards from Stanford, Beck, Zabransky...any of them seem to have the tools to be good NFL QB's and will likely be available past the third round, giving us opportunity to get a few good players before concentrating on a backup.
 
Carr sucks and always has sucked. He is not a finger in the dike. He is a festering boil on the back of our team. Lance that damn thing and kick his arse back to California. There is a reason no one wants the guy. He sucks.....and his contract is just stupid thanks to McNair and his infatuation with his cabana boy.

What has Carr EVER done? Nothing but lose football games and be an albatross around the neck of this franchise. He is a loser. Period.

The saddest thing about him being a loser is that he doesnt even do anything about it. More time in the film room? More time in the practice field? A rededication to his craft?

Nope that would infere with the priorities in his life....his family and his faith. Football is #3. It is just a job to him. Well that aint good enough and it never has been so he needs to take his candy arse and his gravy training family and get the hell out of our city.

Screw you Carr and the horse you rode in on
 
Marcus said:
So what do we have here? Wishful thinking that there's a dumb GM out there? lol:

In the end, don't be pissed if they cut Carr without getting anything for him. Or, more likely, don't be pissed if they have to keep him because they can't get anything for him.
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At this point letting Carr move on is benefit enough. It's obviously not working out here. Since I consider it addition by subtraction, anything extra in the form of a draft pick is gravy.
 
I bet the Vickings are getting ready to make a trade offer, I just hope the front office is smart enough to take it. I like Carr but its time for both parties to go diffrent directions.
 
texans83 said:
I bet the Vickings are getting ready to make a trade offer, I just hope the front office is smart enough to take it. I like Carr but its time for both parties to go diffrent directions.
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They have made an offer supposedly but it was crumbs.
 
Marcus said:
With John Lopez writing a column in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.
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I wouldn't have a problem with David being gone. I understand his trade value is zero. Hence I don't have a problem with David being shown the door.
 
Won't take crumbs for Carr? I found a replacement for GM. Time to get a deal done.

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Vinny said:
They have made an offer supposedly but it was crumbs.
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So, it may be a better move to take it. Even if it was a 7th round pick for Carr, you at least send a QB to the Vikings, which may dissuade them enough from drafting a QB that Brady Quinn (or Russell) falls to you.

Remember, you may not just be getting a pick as compensation for Carr, you may also get an opportunity to draft a franchise QB.

$.02

**EDIT**, the best move may be to simply send Carr to the Vikings in exchange for switching 1st round picks (a single spot difference). That way, you have a great chance of getting the #2 QB selected.
 
Marcus said:
With John Lopez writing a column in today's Chronicle calling Carr the team's albatross?

With Dunta saying "Carr must go" on Cold Pizza, a nationally televised program?

With Eric Moulds' parting shot that Carr needs to go?

The very same people who want Carr gone, actually think he can be traded for what? A 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th round draft pick? Some need to face reality that Carr's trade value is ZERO with all the public crucifiction of Carr that is taking place.

The other team's GMs don't live in a vacuum, folks.
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So, Eric wanted to be "carried." :bubble:
 
HuttoKarl said:
It is close and I agree with him. The alternatives out there are what? Old Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Jeff Garcia, Jake Plummer??? The only one out of the bunch I'd be ok with is Garcia, but he's just a finger in the dike, which according to many here is basically what Carr would be. Why not just stand pat with Carr, who's younger and obviously durable, pray he has a better season with some more talent on the line in front of him and then reassess his trade value.

I'm all for drafting a QB this season...Edwards from Stanford, Beck, Zabransky...any of them seem to have the tools to be good NFL QB's and will likely be available past the third round, giving us opportunity to get a few good players before concentrating on a backup.
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So you are agreeing that no one else wants David to start for them, so we should let him start for us??

How does that kind of thinking win football games??
 
thunderkyss said:
So you are agreeing that no one else wants David to start for them, so we should let him start for us??

How does that kind of thinking win football games??
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It's the kind of thinking that says "let's not eat 4 million bucks in dead salary to get the same kind of production from some chooch retread vet who's going to cost us just as much." It's far more effective than the line of thinking that says "Let's blame everything on one player while completely ignoring all of the other issues this team has." which we're seeing a lot of on this forum.
 
thunderkyss said:
So you are agreeing that no one else wants David to start for them, so we should let him start for us??

How does that kind of thinking win football games??
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Exactly...

Carr has no trade value...

If he goes anywhere else it'll be as a back-up....

But he's good enough for us....:ok:
 
HuttoKarl said:
It's the kind of thinking that says "let's not eat 4 million bucks in dead salary to get the same kind of production from some chooch retread vet who's going to cost us just as much." It's far more effective than the line of thinking that says "Let's blame everything on one player while completely ignoring all of the other issues this team has." which we're seeing a lot of on this forum.
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Why can't Carr stand on his own ?

Why do you have to try and deflect attention away from him, and point fingers at someone else ?

He played poorly last season, this is the Texans message board, he's the QB...He's going to be a hot topic...What's so strange about that ?
 
dirty steve said:
dont kid yourself. he is the ONLY topic.
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I count 5 Carr topics on the first page, and 17 "others"....


Maybe if you don't want to talk about the subject anymore you should just avoid threads about him ????
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Why can't Carr stand on his own ?

Why do you have to try and deflect attention away from him, and point fingers at someone else ?

He played poorly last season, this is the Texans message board, he's the QB...He's going to be a hot topic...What's so strange about that ?
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I'm pointing fingers all over the team. Our CB's stunk. Our safeties stunk. Our lack of depth killed us on both lines. Our RB's stunk. Our punter stunk. Our Kicker was good for about a miss a game until the last few weeks of the season. Our special teams were anything but special. We couldn't return kicks to save our souls. Our FB fumbled twice in the most crucial spots in two games. Our QB stunk too. I won't deny it, but I'm not going to go so far as too many of you are going and act as if we dump David Carr our team's going to win the Super Bowl next season. We don't have a problem. We have f'ing problems...PLURAL. Don't accuse me of pointing fingers. Join me in pointing fingers, because fingers need to be pointed. Not one finger. Many. But dumping David Carr for some old, slow, concussed, burned-out retread isn't the answer to our woes.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I count 5 Carr topics on the first page, and 17 "others"....


Maybe if you don't want to talk about the subject anymore you should just avoid threads about him ????
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Open up most of those threads and someone such as yourself says things like "not to turn this into another Carr thread, BUT..."
 
HuttoKarl said:
I'm pointing fingers all over the team. Our CB's stunk. Our safeties stunk. Our lack of depth killed us on both lines. Our RB's stunk. Our punter stunk. Our Kicker was good for about a miss a game until the last few weeks of the season. Our special teams were anything but special. We couldn't return kicks to save our souls. Our FB fumbled twice in the most crucial spots in two games. Our QB stunk too. I won't deny it, but I'm not going to go so far as too many of you are going and act as if we dump David Carr our team's going to win the Super Bowl next season. We don't have a problem. We have f'ing problems...PLURAL. Don't accuse me of pointing fingers. Join me in pointing fingers, because fingers need to be pointed. Not one finger. Many. But dumping David Carr for some old, slow, concussed, burned-out retread isn't the answer to our woes.
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Maybe tis' you who is assumming that people who want to get rid of Carr think he's our only problem ???

I don't think I have seen one person.....EVER....say "David is our only problem" or anything close...

Please forgive us all for being more concerened with our 5th year rookie starting QB, more so than other areas of the team....

But what's it matter to you that people want to talk about Carr ? Do you want/expect us to stop because a select few are tired of the subject ?

Here's an idea...how about you all are just as guilty of keeping the topic going as "we" are....If you all stopped arguing about it, "we'd" have no one to argue with....:idea:
 
HuttoKarl said:
Open up most of those threads and someone such as yourself says things like "not to turn this into another Carr thread, BUT..."
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The post wasn't even close to being about Carr....


But, please forgive me for mentioning his name....


My bad....I forgot I was forbidden to do that...
 
bavanlan said:
So, it may be a better move to take it. Even if it was a 7th round pick for Carr, you at least send a QB to the Vikings, which may dissuade them enough from drafting a QB that Brady Quinn (or Russell) falls to you.

Remember, you may not just be getting a pick as compensation for Carr, you may also get an opportunity to draft a franchise QB.

$.02

**EDIT**, the best move may be to simply send Carr to the Vikings in exchange for switching 1st round picks (a single spot difference). That way, you have a great chance of getting the #2 QB selected.
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Repeat after me: Just say NO to Brady Quinn.

Remember, the more you know.

This public service announcement brought to you by TEXANRED.
 
HuttoKarl said:
I'm pointing fingers all over the team. Our CB's stunk. Our safeties stunk. Our lack of depth killed us on both lines. Our RB's stunk. Our punter stunk. Our Kicker was good for about a miss a game until the last few weeks of the season. Our special teams were anything but special. We couldn't return kicks to save our souls. Our FB fumbled twice in the most crucial spots in two games. Our QB stunk too. I won't deny it, but I'm not going to go so far as too many of you are going and act as if we dump David Carr our team's going to win the Super Bowl next season. We don't have a problem. We have f'ing problems...PLURAL. Don't accuse me of pointing fingers. Join me in pointing fingers, because fingers need to be pointed. Not one finger. Many. But dumping David Carr for some old, slow, concussed, burned-out retread isn't the answer to our woes.
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I don't think anyone's saying we're going to the Super Bowl if we dump Carr and bring in an old vet.

BUT.

With all those problems you've listed, we found a way to win 6 games and were within spitting distance of winning a few more. With better play from our QB... not even GOOD play from the QB, just BETTER play... we could have been in the hunt for a playoff spot.

Yeah, we have a lot of holes that we need filled, a lot of positions that we need to address, but the biggest hole is behind the center. Just getting a mediocre QB, maybe not even one that fits our system, will improve this team and make a lot of people look better than they look right now.
 
TEXANRED said:
Repeat after me: Just say NO to Brady Quinn.

Remember, the more you know.

This public service announcement brought to you by TEXANRED.
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No I can't let the aliens send messages in my head! :tinfoil:

As for the original topic, I think if we can get at least a 5th, then send him off. I personally think he will not get better here. He to me would have grown up a lot differently in an already existing football team.
 
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.
 
carrfan4life08 said:
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.
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Do you want some Kleenex?
 
carrfan4life08 said:
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.
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Eric Moulds, and Dunta Robinson Basically said the same thing many have been saying about Carr all along. These are two guys that are probably closer to Carr than anyone on here....

Our line of thinking isn't too skewed....
 
Stros5Texans80 said:
No I can't let the aliens send messages in my head! :tinfoil:

As for the original topic, I think if we can get at least a 5th, then send him off. I personally think he will not get better here. He to me would have grown up a lot differently in an already existing football team.
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A 5th will not help our football team. 2nd or at least a 3rd, or I stay put and draft in the top 10 next year.
 
carrfan4life08 said:
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.
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If the play is a 3 step drop, you HAVE to get the ball out when your back foot hits. You have to. the play has not been designed to have any more time than that. So, you go through your reads, your back foot hits and then... you DON'T throw and you look around like you don't know where any of your receivers are supposed to be and you get sacked. Well, that's your fault. That's not the line's fault for not giving you enough time. That's YOUR fault. And that's the problem. Kubiak even called him on this in the press.

And even with that, he was NOT sacked more than anyone else in the league. Several guys were sacked more and they were able to put up better numbers.

There were plenty of plays where Carr had all day to throw and couldn't find the open receivers.

So, yes, please, I agree, let's let Carr have an opportunity somewhere else.
 
carrfan4life08 said:
IM sick and tired of people blamming carr for everything. Hes been geting his ass beat on the field. Hes been sacked more then anyone in this league. and all you people do is crucify him. lets see some of you out there play and see what you can do. i cant stand all the complainers saying its all carrs fault. the defense was not that good. well whatever carr should be traded because he deserves a much better team.
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I think its fair to say there is a fair amount af crucifying going on for the whole team.

I am one of those who are proud to be a Houston Texan fan and would like the Bull to symbolize as something other than a welcome matt or punchline for the rest of the league.
 
AndreRulz said:
just trade carr to the vikings for a 3rd round pick good for both sides
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My best guess is, the Texans and Vikings are working out a trade for players, not draft picks. The Vikings have something we don't have right now, depth. I can see them trading 2 or 3 players for David Carr.

I just get tired of everytime we try to have a discussion on David Carr, it turns into a bash him or praise him thread. Can't we talk civil and trust our NEW front office personel to do the right things to turn OUR team around?
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