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Adrian Peterson splitting carries with Chris Taylor

baba ganoush

baba ganoush

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what if we draft AP and he can share carries with Chris Taylor...look at it this way, both of these guys would be healthy all year and AP would get like 1000+ yards and Taylor could get 500+ yards...i think this would be a match made in heaven for this team
 
Navy_Chris said:
but, then we wouldn't be able to draft Okoye.
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lol good point. I like the idea of mixing in AP, CT, and RD. I'd like dayne to stay on the team and could play very well with the mixture of both peterson and taylor.

that would be my favorite 3 rb tandem for us...but then we wouldn't have okoye, adams, landry, hall, willis...boy i wish we could swing having 6 1st rders!
 
I like the idea of NOT DRAFTING Peterson. We have urgent needs in other areas.
 
DocBar said:
I like the idea of NOT DRAFTING Peterson. We have urgent needs in other areas.
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Some you really like what you saw out Lundy, gado, and Taylor a lot more than I did. Ron Dayne is FA and DomDavis now Williams has to prove healthy. I have typed five names and at thier current NFL status, none of them would be a clear starter on any NFL team. I call not having a healthy starting calibur player a very high priority.
 
baba ganoush said:
what if we draft AP and he can share carries with Chris Taylor...look at it this way, both of these guys would be healthy all year and AP would get like 1000+ yards and Taylor could get 500+ yards...i think this would be a match made in heaven for this team
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For most backs getting 1,000 yards in a season will do but for AP allot will be expected of him. Anything less then 1,500 will be considered failure for him personally. AP has a potential to be all the great if he stays healthy.
 
kastofsna said:
you also have "urgent" needs at RB. you're not going to the playoffs. be smart and draft the franchise back.
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Urgent needs at RB can be filled later in the draft. Upgrade our OL(it IS a weak 1st rd. for OL) or ANYWHERE on D(DEEP 1st rd.) and we're a MUCH better team than adding a RB. Kubiak is supposed to excel at finding diamonds in the later rds.
 
nunusguy said:
On the Okaye bandwagon heh Navy ?
If the Texans would go DT with their top pick, I'd be surprised if they picked Okaye over the other top inside guy Alan Branch if both were on the Board.
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I don't think I'd be....we want 3 techniques that can get up the field and penetrate.
 
DocBar said:
Urgent needs at RB can be filled later in the draft. Upgrade our OL(it IS a weak 1st rd. for OL) or ANYWHERE on D(DEEP 1st rd.) and we're a MUCH better team than adding a RB. Kubiak is supposed to excel at finding diamonds in the later rds.
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How is Kubiak supposed to excel at finding diamonds in the later rounds? Shanahan was the one making personnel decisions, not Kubiak.
 
If you draft Peterson, you don't have him split carries. He'd be such a value at #8 it's not even funny. He can realistically be expected to rush for 1500+ yards as a rookie... that can't be said about many guys ever. You gotta run 'em hard while they're young, nothing is guaranteed after age 30 or so.
 
DocBar said:
Urgent needs at RB can be filled later in the draft. Upgrade our OL(it IS a weak 1st rd. for OL) or ANYWHERE on D(DEEP 1st rd.) and we're a MUCH better team than adding a RB. Kubiak is supposed to excel at finding diamonds in the later rds.
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Why do people constantly equate Mike Shanahan's track record with Gary Kubiak? Im pretty sure Troy Calhoon wasnt responsible for drafting Spencer or Lundy while OC here and Kubiak had little to do with anything the Bronco's front office did while he was there.
 
tulexan said:
How is Kubiak supposed to excel at finding diamonds in the later rounds? Shanahan was the one making personnel decisions, not Kubiak.
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Remember all the talk when Kubes was hired? A lot of it was about this awesome running game we were gonna have with 7th round draft picks(:sarcasm: ) because of the production Denver got out of later round guys. There were almost as many threads about that on here as there were love/hate David Carr threads( more :sarcasm: cuz that's impossible). Anyway, that's why I posted that.
 
I think kubiak will be able to draft guys later in rounds and have them do consistently well on this team.....once we get an offensive line. With the line we have now we're not going to get much production from them at all.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think kubiak will be able to draft guys later in rounds and have them do consistently well on this team.....once we get an offensive line. With the line we have now we're not going to get much production from them at all.
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your first sentance is spot on.

seems like they worked pretty well, making adjustments as the season finished, on a high note beating the Super Bowl Colts and Browns with a solid, yet understated rushing attack. it was like "where has this been, did they just now figure out the system?" its a system that does'nt reguire individual playmakers but playmakers who fit the system, embrace the system and make the system successful.

this why I'm so high on drafting Levi Brown, he is the perfect fit for our system. imagine if Spencer can come back 100% & play RT bring in Brown LT just how good the Texans running game could be with what we already have in place. add Dominack back into the mix then just focus on finishing the defense :twocents:
 
DocBar said:
Urgent needs at RB can be filled later in the draft. Upgrade our OL(it IS a weak 1st rd. for OL) or ANYWHERE on D(DEEP 1st rd.) and we're a MUCH better team than adding a RB. Kubiak is supposed to excel at finding diamonds in the later rds.
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Either you don't know much about football, or you haven't watched the Texans for the past 5 years...

We are now and have been weak at the RB position. Why do you think everyone was yelling for RB last year and why do you think Kubs was wanting to make a trade back into the first round last year?

Come on, before you make selfish statements like this, you need to look at the team as a whole, not just pieces. Let's get our Offense going and keep the Defense off the field...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Either you don't know much about football, or you haven't watched the Texans for the past 5 years...

We are now and have been weak at the RB position. Why do you think everyone was yelling for RB last year and why do you think Kubs was wanting to make a trade back into the first round last year?

Come on, before you make selfish statements like this, you need to look at the team as a whole, not just pieces. Let's get our Offense going and keep the Defense off the field...
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Kubiak passed on Reggie Bush not DocBar- get mad @ him if thats how you feel :scare:

seems to me like RB was a focus this past season, with DD/DW sudden abrupt disclousre he would not play (thats selfish- no warning/communication) signing Ron Dayne via f/a, trading Morency for Gado, grooming 6th rd. rb Wali Lundy & bringing Taylor back @ the end of the season. thats what I call going through the progressions in search of some answears @ RB, nealry all should be better next season & several (w/Dominack coming back) could be moved or let go. getting very crowded & certainly not a weakness compared to the secondary, offensive & defensive lines.

your never going to see the offensve go w/david carr @ QB until you fix the line :bowser:
 
If Peterson is as great as we all think he is, he won't be their at the #8 spot.

If he is there..... I can't imagine how we could pass on him.

We don't have a ball hawk'n FS...... but I honestly don't believe our FS is that so far behind the other FS in the league to warrant a first round pick. Off the top of my head, the only FS in the league that is head & shoulders better than CC Brown, is Kerry Rhodes.

& nobody knows who he is.

So, I can see us going for a guy like Levi Brown in the first........

or Amobi Okoye...

& I'm really starting to like Drew Stanton with #39.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Either you don't know much about football, or you haven't watched the Texans for the past 5 years...

We are now and have been weak at the RB position. Why do you think everyone was yelling for RB last year and why do you think Kubs was wanting to make a trade back into the first round last year?

Come on, before you make selfish statements like this, you need to look at the team as a whole, not just pieces. Let's get our Offense going and keep the Defense off the field...
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The same could be said about you if you think drafting a RB is going to somehow make us an offensive juggernaut. I agree that we are weak at RB. I also say that we are a lot closer to having a very good D than we are an average O. We NEED great OLmen. I'd settle for good ones right now. Until then, Peyton Manning and Ladainian Tomlinson would only be average. As I've seen on here: Win in the trenches, win the war.
:aikido:
 
dbspi said:
For most backs getting 1,000 yards in a season will do but for AP allot will be expected of him. Anything less then 1,500 will be considered failure for him personally. AP has a potential to be all the great if he stays healthy.
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I REALLY wish they'd stop using 1,000 yds as the standard for a good season. In a 16 game season, that averages out to 62.5 yds a game. That's
not that impressive. I would like to see at least 1,400 yds used. That puts a RB in elite company.
 
beerlover said:
your first sentance is spot on.

seems like they worked pretty well, making adjustments as the season finished, on a high note beating the Super Bowl Colts and Browns with a solid, yet understated rushing attack. it was like "where has this been, did they just now figure out the system?" its a system that does'nt reguire individual playmakers but playmakers who fit the system, embrace the system and make the system successful.

this why I'm so high on drafting Levi Brown, he is the perfect fit for our system. imagine if Spencer can come back 100% & play RT bring in Brown LT just how good the Texans running game could be with what we already have in place. add Dominack back into the mix then just focus on finishing the defense :twocents:
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Beerlover first I agree with you on Levi Brown, he might be a reach at the #8 pick but our o-line needs him.

BUT, Sorry have to disagree with you on a couple of points you make in you statement:
1st: From what I read Levi might not be the LT in the NFL that he is in the college ranks most reports on him i've read say he will make a good/great RT.
2nd: You can not count on DW being back on this team, most if not all reports say his knee is bone on bone and he will have to play with pain. Will he play with pain?

That said I have know clue on how the FO fixes all the holes on this team.
Coach K has made statements that have made me second guess every possiable way we can go in this draft
"Need to get pressure on the QB with our four down linemen" (Hint D-line)
"Need a playmaker in order to score"(hint QB/RB)
"We will learn from our mistakes and not think a player with a injury will be back with the team"(hint O-line, DW not ready last year what makes us sure Spencer will be ready this year?)
I could go on but I think you get my point your one on the more savy board members and knows whats going on. IMO FA is going to tell us what direction the FO will take in the Draft. Thats my two cents.
 
DocBar said:
The same could be said about you if you think drafting a RB is going to somehow make us an offensive juggernaut. I agree that we are weak at RB. I also say that we are a lot closer to having a very good D than we are an average O. We NEED great OLmen. I'd settle for good ones right now. Until then, Peyton Manning and Ladainian Tomlinson would only be average. As I've seen on here: Win in the trenches, win the war.
:aikido:
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LT actually had a terrible line for the first few seasons of his career and had a lot of success.
 
no problemo :winky: we all come here from time to time venting frustration, looking for answears & acceptance into a Texans community passionate about the team, so your thoughts are welcome.

before Chalres Spencer injury I was the most excited about him of all the rookies including Mario & DeMeco. although he was'nt as talented as them he filled a need that had been missing since day one. he wan't perfect, but he was 100% better than anyone the Texans had playing LT before, & Carr's numbers reflected that up until he got hurt (I stated this at the time it happend when Dayne broke across his leg while Chalres was locked up on Freeny "the single most discourging moment in Texans football history"). Spencer was a great pick-up for Kubiak, but they felt the need to be sure & drafted Winston as back-up plan in case something happened, well it did. Don't get me wrong I was calling for Winston in the 2nd rd. so I was higher on him @ the time than Spencer so to get both should have set the Texans offensive line for years, great draft. But then the career threatening break to Spencers Tibia and Winstons lack of abiltiy to play the edge in the NFL once again re-opened that tackle wound thought to have been finally resolved.

here is a pre-draft anaylsis of Charles Spencer, Jammal Brown & Levi Brown.

Spencer (6046 352 33 7/8-inch arm length...10 ¼-inch hands) has a large, thick frame with wide shoulders, big waist and bubble, strong legs, long arms and large hands...Has quick feet and very good acceleration on short pulls and traps...Aggressive drive blocker who can create movement when he keeps his pads down...Shows very good balance on the move...Has the quickness coming out of his stance to get into defenders and the hand punch to shock and jolt...Has explosive power in his upper body to punish his man and does a good job of keeping his feet on the move, as it is rare to see him on the ground...When he is able to connect on second level defenders, the battle is his to easily win...Has an outstanding anchor in pass protection and adequate lateral slide...Good in-line blocker with a good understanding for taking proper angles- NFL Draft Scout.

Has great raw strength, but tries to overpower his man and with his long arm swipes, a smaller defender can avoid and slip past him...Needs to tone down his midsection, as he struggles to drop his pads and stands too high in his stance, causing him to lose leverage because of his reliance on his strength to get the job done. Spencer was the starting left tackle for the Panthers, but struggled to handle faster edge rushers and might be better suited to play inside at guard. He has excellent size and strength, with adequate quickness on the snap, but needs to comes off the ball with a lower pad level. He has average explosiveness and does get movement at the point of attack, showing good sustain agility when he is able to keep a wide base.

Jammal Brown (6057 316 34-inch arm length...10 inch hands ) Long-limbed athlete with wide hips, big bubble, thick thighs and calves, low body fat and broad shoulders. ... Well-proportioned with big bones and the frame to carry at least another twenty pounds of bulk. ... Power-oriented blocker who has developed an aggressive nature. ... Smooth and sudden coming out of his stance and has above average lateral range. ... Maintains balance on the move and is very fluid when having to redirect and recover working in-line. ... Plays with a flat back and is very effortless unwinding out of his stance. ... Sometimes, he is late off the ball, but he compensates with his above average lateral range. ... Plays with very good leverage and locks on to the defender with force. ... Has exceptional balance and gets to the collision point instantly when working on the edge in pass protection. ... Displays the hand punch to immediately shock the defender and is very sudden when redirecting and recovering inside- NFL Draft Scout.

Levi Brown (6053 323 33 1/8-inch arm length...10 1/4-inch hands) Has a big upper frame, with broad shoulders, long arms, big hands and good chest thickness, along with a big bubble, wide hips, thick thighs and ankles, along with a frame that has the potential to carry more bulk with no loss in quickness...Very light on his feet for a player of his size...Has excellent explosion coming off the snap and nimble footwork, especially in his kick slide...Uses his feet well to slide out and adjust on the edge rushers and knows how to shoot his hands in attempts to lock on and sustain...Has the quickness to recover when beaten and his feet allow him to redirect with ease to neutralize backside plays...Aggressive drive blocker with the hand punch needed to shock and jolt the defender...Finds ways to get the job done on the field and will not back down from a confrontation...Can dominate once he fits on a defender, demonstrating the quickness to reach and make cutoffs...For a big player, Brown is very nimble on his feet, as he has the loose hips to redirect and shows good control changing direction...Even when he gets high in his stance, he has the knee bend to slide laterally- NFL Draft Scout.

everyone should know by now the Texans sitting with the 13th pick in 2005 could have selected Oklahoma tackle Jammal Brown (Casserly/Capers) instead they made the infamous trade down (most people focused on missing Derrick Johnson) the rest as they say is hsitory. too high for Brown (I'm hearing the same crap about Levi) well all Jammal did was start for NO @ RT his first season then play LT his second and win Pro-Bowl honors helping solidify his teams offensive line almost to the Super Bowl, this is the type of player David Carr & the Texans need & gives me hope that both Spencer (if healthy) & Levi could do the same at LT/RT or anywhere that helps the Texans not only win but dominate the line of scrimmage in the trenches, a benefit to Carr, RB's & entire offensive output.
 
Beerlover good read, like I said I agree Levi, if on the board should be our pick in the 1st round. But with everything being said by the texans FO and Coaching staff its just hard to tell whats going to happen. Guess we will know in three months.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Peyton Manning makes his offensive line look much better then it actually is.
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I don't buy into that a lot. Manning is NOT a mobile QB. His ability to pick up the blitz and hit the hot read are factors, but he has a pretty darn good OL. top 5, easily. I don't believe Manning was sacked once a game this year, was he?They had the only rookie in the league rush for 1,000 yds.
LT might not have had a great line when he came in the league, but they weren't as bad as ours. And LT is one of those once a generation players.
 
DocBar said:
I REALLY wish they'd stop using 1,000 yds as the standard for a good season. In a 16 game season, that averages out to 62.5 yds a game. That's not that impressive. I would like to see at least 1,400 yds used. That puts a RB in elite company.
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1,000 yards a season for RB was considered to be the standard for elite level RB when they used to play only 12 games a season. Now we play 16 games a season so rightfully they need to increase this bar to 1,500 yards a season.
 
DocBar said:
I don't buy into that a lot. Manning is NOT a mobile QB. His ability to pick up the blitz and hit the hot read are factors, but he has a pretty darn good OL. top 5, easily. I don't believe Manning was sacked once a game this year, was he?They had the only rookie in the league rush for 1,000 yds.
LT might not have had a great line when he came in the league, but they weren't as bad as ours. And LT is one of those once a generation players.
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Similar to LT, Adrian Peterson is also once in a generation RB who will end up in the HOF if he stays injury free. Player like AD, he won't have 14 year career in the NFL but more like 8-10 years at max similar to Earl Cambell or Eric Dickerson.
 
dbspi said:
1,000 yards a season for RB was considered to be the standard for elite level RB when they used to play only 12 games a season. Now we play 16 games a season so rightfully they need to increase this bar to 1,500 yards a season.
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Using that logic shouldn't the new milestone be 1,333 yds?

(16/12)*1000=1,333 :winky:
 
I think this is the way to go. DL should not be as high on the list for us as RB. Ron Dayne was are leadin rusher, need i say more. Injuries are the main reason why the D-Line didnt put pressure on the QB as much as we all thought. You can't lose your 2 start DT's and still be able to pressure the QB. On 3rd and long the DLine looks pretty solid with T. Johnson and Weaver/Kalu at the DT's w/ Mario and Babin/Peek at the ends. I also think people want to much for David Carr. If we could get a 7th round pick for him they should take it. Not only the extra pick, but the salary cap cleanup would help dramatically. Now if Branch and Peterson would both be there at #8 then we have a decision to make.
 
DocBar said:
I REALLY wish they'd stop using 1,000 yds as the standard for a good season. In a 16 game season, that averages out to 62.5 yds a game. That's
not that impressive. I would like to see at least 1,400 yds used. That puts a RB in elite company.
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But not everyone is going to be elite, and it would be foolish to think so..

It would also be foolish that someone who avgs 62 yards a game will play 16 games, much less start.
 
Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry said:
2nd: You can not count on DW being back on this team, most if not all reports say his knee is bone on bone and he will have to play with pain. Will he play with pain?
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Could you please show me one report that said bone on bone.. or even that he'll have to play with pain.

the bone-on-bone thing to the best of my knowledge was just MB speculation, and there hasn't been one official report..... or even Houston Chronicle beat writer report of a bone-on-bone condition.

Secondly, the doctors said his knee might not ever feel like it used to. From what I've read Dom say recently, I get the impression that there is no unusual pain now.

I'm not saying this, because I want us to pass on Peterson.... at the #8 spot, I think we should grab him, unless someone gives us two #1s, or their one, and two #2s... or something like that.

I just haven't seen any of these reports, & I'd like to.
 
stonedtexansfan said:
I think this is the way to go. DL should not be as high on the list for us as RB. Ron Dayne was are leadin rusher, need i say more. Injuries are the main reason why the D-Line didnt put pressure on the QB as much as we all thought. You can't lose your 2 start DT's and still be able to pressure the QB. On 3rd and long the DLine looks pretty solid with T. Johnson and Weaver/Kalu at the DT's w/ Mario and Babin/Peek at the ends. I also think people want to much for David Carr. If we could get a 7th round pick for him they should take it. Not only the extra pick, but the salary cap cleanup would help dramatically. Now if Branch and Peterson would both be there at #8 then we have a decision to make.
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7th man thats pushing it. Yea I think we do need to get rid of him but im not sure I would want a 7th I think the highest I would go is a 5th. But yea it would help as far as cap room. Have you all checked out the teams and where they are all at as far as cap room? most other teams have like 30mil left. We have the least amount to spend, I just would like to thank capers on that one.
 
thunderkyss said:
But not everyone is going to be elite, and it would be foolish to think so..

It would also be foolish that someone who avgs 62 yards a game will play 16 games, much less start.
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I know not everyone is going to be elite. I just get tired of hearing about 1,000 yd rushers as if they ARE somehow elite. Probably a good mark for rookies, though.
 
beerlover said:
Kubiak passed on Reggie Bush not DocBar- get mad @ him if thats how you feel :scare:

seems to me like RB was a focus this past season, with DD/DW sudden abrupt disclousre he would not play (thats selfish- no warning/communication) signing Ron Dayne via f/a, trading Morency for Gado, grooming 6th rd. rb Wali Lundy & bringing Taylor back @ the end of the season. thats what I call going through the progressions in search of some answears @ RB, nealry all should be better next season & several (w/Dominack coming back) could be moved or let go. getting very crowded & certainly not a weakness compared to the secondary, offensive & defensive lines.

your never going to see the offensve go w/david carr @ QB until you fix the line :bowser:
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Agreed. I'll go a step further...any QB. AP is very Cambell like in that he's a guy with a burst of speed that runs between the tackels and has the chance to break long runs once he is in the second level. The extrodianary thing that seperates AP from EC is that he gets hurt. He runs high ala Criss Brown of the titans, and he was continualy hurt in college. What's he going to do in the pros with missels like Bob Sanders flying at his ribs ? Constantly hurt, for 29 million cap dollars ? And behind this o-line of ours ? He will get dinged constantly next year if we pick him. I've seen this show befor. It doesn't work if your goal is to get to the super bowl. The super Bowl...that is the goal. Not being entertained on sundays, Not making up for a precieved mistake(s)....just getting to the super bowl. With out an o-line Petterson will not do this for this club. It will be Barry Sanders II. I can stand it as long as you can.
 
thunderkyss said:
Could you please show me one report that said bone on bone.. or even that he'll have to play with pain.

the bone-on-bone thing to the best of my knowledge was just MB speculation, and there hasn't been one official report..... or even Houston Chronicle beat writer report of a bone-on-bone condition.

Secondly, the doctors said his knee might not ever feel like it used to. From what I've read Dom say recently, I get the impression that there is no unusual pain now.

I'm not saying this, because I want us to pass on Peterson.... at the #8 spot, I think we should grab him, unless someone gives us two #1s, or their one, and two #2s... or something like that.

I just haven't seen any of these reports, & I'd like to.
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I think the info. I refering to is in the Bull Pen Archives by now later to night I try to look it up for ya, you may be right saying is was MB "talk" but I think some reports mentioned where from his second opinion prior to TC. Have to get my son to wrestling pratice right now. Look into when I get home.
 
never know, people talk about injuries to Peterson. well look at Frank gore, tore both knees and has been in today's probowl
I am not saying Peterson will go to the Probowl, just saying FG has done well in the NFL

yes Peterson runs upright, eric dickerson did too :hmmm:
 
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