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Upon review, Texans' draft earns an 'A'
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Koolbrz
Waterboy
IMHO this is how i would grade our last draft...
Mario - C-
Demeco - A+
Spencer - Inc.
Winston - B-
Daniels - B
Lundy - D
This comes out to an A draft?? Not exactly. I'd give it a B- for sure though. Then again, passing on two potentially great players for a project Defensive lineman with hustle issues could be graded as an F, so no way this draft comes close to an A. Hopefully this yr. will be different.
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Ckw
Guest
Wow. You're quite the strict grader. With your scale I don't think anyone in the NFL could pull out a B+ or better. Not understanding your grading for Spencer and how in the world can you give any 6th round draft pick a D, especially when he started for his team??? He was drafted in the 6th Round!! As far as Mario is concerned, I don't have too much beef with that grade, but both Spencer and Winston have been at least Bs. I personally would give Mario a B-. As far as Daniels, he deserves an A without question. And you left out David Anderson who was also a nice suprise in the 7th, if I'm not mistaken. You just don't seem to be taking draft position into any of your ratings. If you compare Winston and Spencer to Jonathan Ogden, yeah they are going to score low. If you compare Daniels to Antonio Gates, yeah he is going to score low. Hell, if you compare Mario to Julius Peppers or even Dwight Freeney, yeah he is going to score low. But I guess you are a glass is half empty kind of guy....
All Madden. I dont think so Mister.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Those grades are just RIDICULOUS!!! Even Demeco's is...he deserves an A++
There you have it. Rick Gosselin is one of the very most highly regarded NFL
journalists in the business and he says the Texans along with the Packers are
the only teams in the league that deserve an A grade. And that's with the benefit of hindsight as he points out. And he also points out correctly that its basically Charley Casserlys last Draft.
It is what it is Casserly haters. Deal with it ?
journalists in the business and he says the Texans along with the Packers are
the only teams in the league that deserve an A grade. And that's with the benefit of hindsight as he points out. And he also points out correctly that its basically Charley Casserlys last Draft.
It is what it is Casserly haters. Deal with it ?
Wharton
Rookie
Looks about right to me. Lundy maybe a C-, but that's about it. I'm sorry, but we passed on the most dynamic player to come along in...... in..... well, I can't remember when.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Everyone made an impact. Anderson didn't do much, but suiting up as a 7th rounder is good enough.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
I know what you mean, but I wouldn't take McNeil over DeMeco. I'm sorry, I don't agree.
Wharton
Rookie
Uhhh, I was talking about passing on VY. McNeil???
clandestin
Waterboy
Hmm I'm not sure I understand your curve....but let's say B- is %80. Can you pick out 6 other teams' drafts, and justify them being better than ours?
Keep in mind that:
Only 75% of 1st round draft picks become full-time starters.
50% of 2nd rounders
25% of 3rd rounders
10% of 4th rounders
To come up with the number of starters we did (shame about spencer) is phenominal.
Ourlads has 3 of Houston's draft picks on the All-Rookie team--and I have no doubt Spencer would have made it 4:
http://www.ourlads.com/2007allrookie.cfm
We'll be lucky to have another draft as good as the last one.
GanadoUHCoog
Waterboy
Mario C+
Demeco A+
Spencer ---
Winston B-
Daniels B+
Lundy C+
Overall B
Demeco A+
Spencer ---
Winston B-
Daniels B+
Lundy C+
Overall B
Scooter
Funky
entirely unfair to not grade spencer. he came into the league as a starter from the first snap, and in his brief time looked very impressive. drafting spencer was huge and should be graded accordingly ... a fluke injury doesnt change that.
you should also take the round they were taken into consideration. how many 6th rounders did as well as lundy? how many 4th rounders (or tight ends in general) as well as daniels?
you should also take the round they were taken into consideration. how many 6th rounders did as well as lundy? how many 4th rounders (or tight ends in general) as well as daniels?
Koolbrz
Waterboy
You have your opinions and i have mine. Is it not what this message board is all about?? My glass is actually full by the way..lol. Daniels is a good player so he gets a B for his production on the yr. They seemed to stop going to him towards the end of the season and his production almost came to a total hault. Spencer would have been an A if he would not have been hurt. He was impressive in the few games he played in so he gets an Inc. Did not play a full sesaon so we all really don't know what kind of player he would have become. Winston is improving steadly and i like what i see and that is why i gave him a B-. Demeco is hands down the best player takin in this draft. IMHO if you call what Lundy did this yr. impressive and deserved a better grade I would not want you as my GM. If he was that good he would never have lost the starting position. I give him another two yrs and he will be on someone else's roster. If there are any takers that is. Yeah Yeah Yeah i know the O-line was not all that, i'm taking that into consideration also. I just was not too impressed with him. He Had a few good games so what. LOL...okay now I get to tell you about Mario. He gets a C- because He was drafted #1 overall and gets this big ole contract and this is what we get in return: 47 total tackles, 35.0 individual tackles, 12 assists, 4.5 sacks two of which would have gone to Kalu and Ryans if they had not missed the tackle, and 1 FR. WOW!!! Awesome numbers for a Number 1 overall!!! Then again this might be really impressive to you. It will not work for me. Don't get me wrong, i like what he brings to the team and i think he could be a force in this league just wasn't too impressed with his production this yr. Like i said in the beginning it is just my opinion and nothing more. By the way i gave Marques Colston an A+ and he was drafted in the 7th rd pick #252. Too bad it was not by us instead we get David Anderson at pick #251. He is okay but not a Colston. That is way i did not even give him a grade. But since you asked i thought i'd answer your question.
Koolbrz
Waterboy
Well then, i don't see you grading our draft Mr. ALL Madden. Do you know how to grade a draft?? Maybe not and thats why you did not post your opinion. Anyways, on to another thread....LMAO
The problem with your grades, Koolbrz and Ganado, is that you're not really grading the draft. You're grading the players' performances as though they're veterans or all first round picks.
On the other hand, you also have to consider that some of these guys wouldn't have had to contribute nearly as much if we just weren't so damn thin at nearly every position.
On the other hand, you also have to consider that some of these guys wouldn't have had to contribute nearly as much if we just weren't so damn thin at nearly every position.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
You were talking about Marcus McNeil right? That guy is awesome.
Big78
Waterboy
my only question is how does winston get a B-?? if i recall correctly he only started 1 or 2 games and at one point was the 2 string swing tackle (the backups backup) and was inconsistent when he was in. If mario started the entire season, showing his toughness by playing with an injury, and led the team in sacks (im not sure if he was eventually beaten out for that, but if he was then he atleast led the team for most of the season), and gets a C- while an inconsitent back up gets a B-, then im gonna have to disagree with u there.
Personally i would give Mario a B-, and the only reason it is so low is because i too expect more of a #1 overall pick, but even though he underachieved relative to where he was taken, he still was one of the few bright spots on our defence this season and showed promise for future seasons.
wolfscar
Waterboy
*Chuckle, chuckle*
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real
Guest
I don't understand that logic...
Your draft grade comes from what kind of production you get from the players you drafted, not who you passed on....
If they used your method then a lot of teams would have F's for passing on Meco, and Colston...
A draft grade does not represent only the first round..
with all the players we picked up in the later rounds that were productive, i believe our draft grade is at least a B+ mayb an A
TexansSB07
Waterboy
overall a very strong draft, a few weak spots 3rd rounders get injured and Wali Lundy disappears, but if we keep drafting that strong..won't be long till rmost of NFL talking heads will be choking down a chunk of CROW
old football fan
Waterboy
Can't really grade a draft on the first year, need a couple more years to get true grade, But all that said IMO the Texans did a great job in the last draft as compared to the first four drafts.
GP
Go Texans!
You can say we passed on two potentially great players, but you're way out of line saying that Mario has hustle issues.
1. He played through arguably one of the most painful foot injuries you could have.
2. I saw him REPEATEDLY chase down a ball carrier all the way across the field and make the tackle before anybody else could get there. FEW d linemen are able to do that. Period.
You're only 50% accurate in your statement.
I would have been happy with Reggie/Mario/Vince (in that order) but now that we have two potential superstars on the d side of the ball, I'm glad we have who we have. Not a knock on Reggie/Vince, but I really am OK with Mario.
Silver Oak
All Pro
I forsee a day, when someone from these message boards, on their death bed with loved ones surrounding them..."we shoulda drafted Vince or Reggie".
For the love of Pete, let it go! Support the team we have not the one that could've been.
For the love of Pete, let it go! Support the team we have not the one that could've been.
old football fan
Waterboy
Will never happen as long as the people posting on this message board think with their ego's first. Most don't see both sides of the line.
yourfavoritetexan42
Waterboy
I am just going to grade their talent, nothing to do with where they were taken.
Mario - B
Demeco - A+
Spencer - B
Winston - B-
Daniels - A
Lundy - D
Mario - B
Demeco - A+
Spencer - B
Winston - B-
Daniels - A
Lundy - D
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
IMHO, of course.
Texans Horror
All Pro
This is the way I mark it:
Mario - A
Demeco - A+
Spencer - B
Winston - B
Daniels - A
Lundy - A
Mario was a big presence on the line, which opened up opportunities for the defense. I think he will continue to improve and will be a dominating force in the NFL.
Spencer started. Although he was getting beat more often than I would have liked, I think for the 2 games he was in he was going in the right direction. His "grade" is the hardest to give because he played so little, which is why I downgraded to a B.
Winston - Came in for Weigert and showed major improvement over the last few weeks.
Daniels - Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know you will), but he had better stats than any other rookie TE.
Lundy - Again, speaking about rookie running backs, Lundy put up great yards. He is still young and I don't think the Texans are ready to give up on him. Given that he was a sixth-rounder, his performance looks even better.
Even a mere one season after the draft is too early to truly grade rookies. But I would agree with anyone who said the Texans get an A. They answered a lot of questions with their draft, which will make this offseason all that much easier.
Mario - A
Demeco - A+
Spencer - B
Winston - B
Daniels - A
Lundy - A
Mario was a big presence on the line, which opened up opportunities for the defense. I think he will continue to improve and will be a dominating force in the NFL.
Spencer started. Although he was getting beat more often than I would have liked, I think for the 2 games he was in he was going in the right direction. His "grade" is the hardest to give because he played so little, which is why I downgraded to a B.
Winston - Came in for Weigert and showed major improvement over the last few weeks.
Daniels - Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know you will), but he had better stats than any other rookie TE.
Lundy - Again, speaking about rookie running backs, Lundy put up great yards. He is still young and I don't think the Texans are ready to give up on him. Given that he was a sixth-rounder, his performance looks even better.
Even a mere one season after the draft is too early to truly grade rookies. But I would agree with anyone who said the Texans get an A. They answered a lot of questions with their draft, which will make this offseason all that much easier.
Meisterman
Waterboy
I give Marios toes and "F"...but VY's legs an A+++
Sincerely,
Bud Adams
Sincerely,
Bud Adams
Silver Oak
All Pro
1 - Bobby Carpenter-R
2 - Anthony Fasano-O
3 - Jason Hatcher-M
4 - Skyler Green-O
5 - Pat Watkins-C
6 - Stanly Montavious-H
7 - Pat McQuistan-O
7 - EJ Whitley-K
(Undrafeds)-E
2 - Anthony Fasano-O
3 - Jason Hatcher-M
4 - Skyler Green-O
5 - Pat Watkins-C
6 - Stanly Montavious-H
7 - Pat McQuistan-O
7 - EJ Whitley-K
(Undrafeds)-E
Crazyhorse
Noob
Winston started 7 games and played in 3or 4 others gave up only 3 to 4 sacks for the season but was inconsistant????? I know the team total for sacks was over 40 so if Eric accounts for 3 or 4 someone else is really inconsistant. I'd have given him a B+ but that's just my opinion.
texplayer2
Waterboy
If we also take into account how bad the team was the year before. Alot of draft picks could have started for us. Our whole situation improved 4 games from this year. The Saints who picked one step lower than us are one game away from the Superbowl. Saints A Texans C . We got a good one in Ryans, but we messed up with our first pick ( in relationship to this year) Hopefully with time this improves.
Casserly's past draft record speaks for itself....what team is he working with right now?
Interesting to note that his best draft was one where he was a lame-duck GM and the new head coach had a lot more say in the process than his previous coaches.
Casserly's own words were that these are Kubiak & Co.'s picks, with the exception of Owen Daniels. He lobbied hard for the TE.
doughboy
Waterboy
Mario - C Didnt reach hype level this year but he still is gonna be a good one
Demeco - A +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nuff said
Spencer -C Hes Okay probally shouldt be a starter this year though.
Winston - B First step towards building and Oline
Daniels - A+ I know you dont like the Homerism But Hes the next frank Wycheck.
Lundy - C He had some good games this year
Demeco - A +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nuff said
Spencer -C Hes Okay probally shouldt be a starter this year though.
Winston - B First step towards building and Oline
Daniels - A+ I know you dont like the Homerism But Hes the next frank Wycheck.
Lundy - C He had some good games this year
Its actually pretty simple. Watch
Mario Williams He showed potential to be dominant. Played Injured He gets a U
Demeco Ryans Im going with a S here he had good attendence and attitude
Who's next, Oh thats right C Spencer. He was the best olinemen we had when healthy and he was a third rounder. So he with out a doubt gets a M.
E Winston Another starting olinemen in the third round. Keeps getting better with every game. Should be a starter for along time so Im giving him a E.
Owen Daniels Finally a good recieving TE. Go to guy in the red zone. Solid L here.
Wali Lundy Good value for were he was taken. Good change of pace for Ron Dayne. But definetly not a Franchise RB. He also gets a L
Does anybody SMELL anything in here.
R U saying im a troll.
When you take a RB in the 6th and he starts a couple of games and makes an impact, that is solid in my book. Yeah he fell off at the end of the season, but he had around 100 yrds vs the Jags if Im not mistaken. He also had a few other decent games so Id say C+ for output vs position.
Bronco Texan
Waterboy
It is very unfair to compare the Texans to the Saints. How many years did we have to hear from analyst that the Saints were a very talented team that always under achieved? Then to happen what happened to the last year of course they would have a bad year. Talent level the Saints were not the second worse team last year. Motivation level on the other hand yeah they sucked. All the Saints needed was a new coach to utilize their talent properly. I wouldn't put all their success on their rookies this year. Actually I think they could of done just almost as good with out Reggie.
Now I think you could actually look at the Texans and say some of our biggest improvements did come from our draft picks. Yeah when you look at wins 4 games better doesn't seem like much. But I like to look how we competed all year. I would like to think that we were in most of our games all year long. The fact that we played hard with some many unproven players tells me that maybe this team isn't as far off from competing then some might think.
C
Ckw
Guest
I think far too many people forget who the Saints quarterback was last year and who there quarterback is this year. Aaron Brooks vs. Drew Brees. Yeah....
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I think you have to take individual draft picks' value into account when rating the individual players and not the draft overall. I also have to rate by what they have done and not what they may in the future.
Individually:
Mario Williams C (injured or not he gets rated by his performance)
DeMeco Ryans A+
Charles Spencer N/A (injured before the season started)
Eric Winston C+
Owen Daniels B+
Wali Lundy C
Overall I give them a B+.
Individually:
Mario Williams C (injured or not he gets rated by his performance)
DeMeco Ryans A+
Charles Spencer N/A (injured before the season started)
Eric Winston C+
Owen Daniels B+
Wali Lundy C
Overall I give them a B+.
If the Texans get an "A" what do the Saints get?
1 2 Bush, Reggie - A (He's no Mario, but not bad.)
2 43 Harper, Roman - B (Injured but was a starter before getting hurt)
4 108 Evans, Jahri - A (Starter)
5 135 Ninkovich, Rob - Inc. Reserve that looked great before being hurt.
6 171 Hass, Mike C- (Belitnikoff winner couldn't crack Saints depth chart. Now on Bears PS.)
6 174 Lay, Josh 'Bernard' D (Didn't make team.)
7 210 Strief, Zach B+ (Top RT reserve and manhandled Simeon Rice in his only start at LT).
7 252 Colston, Marques A+
Now that's a draft. Four starters and a top reserve at tackle that might be a starter next year if we let Stinchcomb go in FA. Ninkovich will be a top reserve also. The only misses were Hass and Lay.
AustinJB
Rookie
Charles Spencer did play in our first two games...still not enough to give him a grade.
I think I'd have to say Eric Winston gets a B-...he played in 12 games and started 7. As a rookie RT who was coming off of injury he only had 2 penalties and allowed 2.5 sacks. Pretty good for a player still learning.
awtysst
Draft Guru
Actually I would give Reggie a C and Vince a A.