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TexanSam

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Louisville is 3rd and if they stay undefeated, it looks like they will play the winner of Ohio State-Michigan. I'm rooting for them. Hopefully they win it all.
 
TexanSam said:
Louisville is 3rd and if they stay undefeated, it looks like they will play the winner of Ohio State-Michigan. I'm rooting for them. Hopefully they win it all.
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I am not. I would like Ohio State, Louisville, and Michigan to all lose. That way the only unbeaten teams are Rutgers and Boise State. I would love to see how he BCS would handle it if those were the only 2 undefeated lefts!
 
awtysst said:
I am not. I would like Ohio State, Louisville, and Michigan to all lose. That way the only unbeaten teams are Rutgers and Boise State. I would love to see how he BCS would handle it if those were the only 2 undefeated lefts!
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How exactly would the BCS handle it?

It doesnt have a choice. The top 2 teams in the standings would play & those teams would most likely be Texas & Florida.
 
bah007 said:
How exactly would the BCS handle it?

It doesnt have a choice. The top 2 teams in the standings would play & those teams would most likely be Texas & Florida.
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not neccesarily. If rutgers beats lousiville it will skyrocket up the polls. With no losses and with everyone else with losses they will close the gap. It would be interestign if they got to 1-2.
I dont like the BCS and am cherring for diaster!
 
awtysst said:
not neccesarily. If rutgers beats lousiville it will skyrocket up the polls. With no losses and with everyone else with losses they will close the gap. It would be interestign if they got to 1-2.
I dont like the BCS and am cherring for diaster!
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The BCS is a better system than just having the media choose the teams.

The system isnt perfect? Agreed. But what is the alternative?

Most people hate the computers. But I think that there has to be computers because they are not biased. And this is coming from someone who's favorite team (Texas) is ranked 10th in the computers & 3rd in 4th in the human polls.
 
TexanSam said:
Playoff


Every other sport, not to mention every other division of collefge football, has a playoff system. Why shouldn't Division 1 have one?
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How would it work?

You take the top 8 teams?

What about the team that is ranked #9 in the polls? That team would be just like the team that finishes #3 now.

And now every team plays a 12 game schedule. So the SEC, Big 12, & ACC champs would have to play about 16 games if they wanted to win the playoff. If we did that then the next step would be to just start handing out paychecks cuz they are practically playing an NFL season.
 
bah007 said:
How would it work?

You take the top 8 teams?

What about the team that is ranked #9 in the polls? That team would be just like the team that finishes #3 now.

And now every team plays a 12 game schedule. So the SEC, Big 12, & ACC champs would have to play about 16 games if they wanted to win the playoff. If we did that then the next step would be to just start handing out paychecks cuz they are practically playing an NFL season.
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We're not the ones to devise a new system, but it could work along those guidelines. Similar to NBA playoffs IMO. #1 vs #8, #2 vs #7 and so on.
 
D1AA uses 16 teams I'm pretty sure. That way you have 4 weekends of games. There is a way to do it and would be a much bigger success and not a complete waste of time like most of the bowl games.
 
CoastalTexan said:
D1AA uses 16 teams I'm pretty sure. That way you have 4 weekends of games. There is a way to do it and would be a much bigger success and not a complete waste of time like most of the bowl games.
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Ah there it is!

You cant take away the bowl games cuz the NCAA banks on those heavy. I dont think they would ever lose them.
 
i love the BCS and i would hate a playoff. not enough games being played and the games wouldn't have nearly as much significance as they do now. it would totally ruin college football. don't touch it. the BCS is AWESOME.

i'd love to see louisville in the title game. they're good enough to compete with any team in the country just because of brian brohm. they can BEAT any team in the country because of the great players around him.
 
kastofsna said:
i love the BCS and i would hate a playoff. not enough games being played and the games wouldn't have nearly as much significance as they do now. it would totally ruin college football. don't touch it. the BCS is AWESOME.

i'd love to see louisville in the title game. they're good enough to compete with any team in the country just because of brian brohm. they can BEAT any team in the country because of the great players around him.
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You are right on.

I think Louisville could give Ohio St quite a game.

They get lost in the shuffle cuz they play in the Big East but they have been a top 15 team for at least the past 5 years.
 
The BCS certaintly didnt disappoint last year.

That was the best college football game I have ever seen.
 
based on everything i've seen from both teams, there's plenty of reason to think that louisville will win by at least 3 TD's. easily. they're much better than rutgers in every facet of the game.
 
bah007 said:
How would it work?

You take the top 8 teams?

What about the team that is ranked #9 in the polls? That team would be just like the team that finishes #3 now.

And now every team plays a 12 game schedule. So the SEC, Big 12, & ACC champs would have to play about 16 games if they wanted to win the playoff. If we did that then the next step would be to just start handing out paychecks cuz they are practically playing an NFL season.
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I've heard the #9 ranked team argument before and don't buy it. I would much rather have the #9 team get shafted than the #3 team in the country, anytime you have a system that crowns two champions by having shared titles is a BROKEN SYSTEM.

Keeping the BCS around has nothing to do with the amount of games teams would have to play, it has to do with the amount of money the schools make with the Bowl system and thats it.

A full month went by from when Texas played Colorado and USC played UCLA until the time they played each other in the title game, theres plenty of room for a playoff system.

Even if you take only the top four teams, thats only one extra game. I would take just the top 4 teams, because how often do you see 5 teams go undefeated in a season, it doesn't happen. All they have to do is take atleast the top 4 teams and shared titles are null and void and completely eliminated, but that would make to much sense and the NCAA isn't about good sense.

I completely wrote them off when they revoked Mike Williams eligibility after a supreme court told him it was legal for him to enter the draft. So Mike hired a agent and legally entered the draft only to have the original decision overturned and then instead of the NCAA stepping in and fixing this unique situation they completely mishandled it. Nothing will ever change until the NCAA officials pull their heads out of their rears.
 
kastofsna said:
based on everything i've seen from both teams, there's plenty of reason to think that louisville will win by at least 3 TD's. easily. they're much better than rutgers in every facet of the game.
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Yea but turnovers will kill you against Rutgers. They run and they run well..if you give up the ball, your looking at your defense getting on the field again against a good running attack with Leonard and Rice. They will beat you up...Rice is very much a between the tackles runner...so if Louisville isn't careful, their defense could be in for a long night.
 
louisville is very good at stopping a traditional running game and pressuing the QB. it's about matchups. WVU can run all over louisville because A) they're ridiculously talented, and B) the lateral speed and movement and option stuff doesn't matchup well with louisville at all. but get in the I-formation, run it up the middle, and i don't expect rice to have the kinda game he's had all year. and louisville IS going to score points, there's no doubt about it. rutgers will have to have long drives and cap them off with TOUCHDOWNS.
 
Carr Bomb said:
I've heard the #9 ranked team argument before and don't buy it. I would much rather have the #9 team get shafted than the #3 team in the country, anytime you have a system that crowns two champions by having shared titles is a BROKEN SYSTEM.

Keeping the BCS around has nothing to do with the amount of games teams would have to play, it has to do with the amount of money the schools make with the Bowl system and thats it.

A full month went by from when Texas played Colorado and USC played UCLA until the time they played each other in the title game, theres plenty of room for a playoff system.

Even if you take only the top four teams, thats only one extra game. I would take just the top 4 teams, because how often do you see 5 teams go undefeated in a season, it doesn't happen. All they have to do is take atleast the top 4 teams and shared titles are null and void and completely eliminated, but that would make to much sense and the NCAA isn't about good sense.

I completely wrote them off when they revoked Mike Williams eligibility after a supreme court told him it was legal for him to enter the draft. So Mike hired a agent and legally entered the draft only to have the original decision overturned and then instead of the NCAA stepping in and fixing this unique situation they completely mishandled it. Nothing will ever change until the NCAA officials pull their heads out of their rears.
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The BCS crowns only ONE champion.

You get a "shared title" when the media steps in & names their own champion.

Example: LSU wins the BCS national championship but the media likes USC better so they name them the champion. The NCAA doesnt have their own TV show so all anybody knows is that the obsessivly biased media is saying that USC is the champion.

That is why the media is no longer part of the BCS.

They were kicked out & then the very next season we have the championship game we want. Texas vs USC.

The media was the problem. They have an agenda. If the BCS fails this year then I will join your arguement. But if the BCS chooses the right game again then this playoff talk needs to stop.
 
bah007 said:
The media was the problem. They have an agenda. If the BCS fails this year then I will join your arguement. But if the BCS chooses the right game again then this playoff talk needs to stop.
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Just because the BCS may get the right game this season doesn't mean it's going to get it right every year. Even if the top 2 teams get in, the playoff talk shouldn't stop. It's just ridiculous that we have computers with numbers such as 0.95318255 and that decides who plays in the BCS championship. Getting it right once doesn't mean it'll get it right every year. I don't think the playoff talk will ever stop, until we get one. Whether it's the 17th team excluded from a playoff system or the 9th team, I would much rather have that controversy than a controversy on who should play in the biggest game of the year.
 
TexanSam said:
Just because the BCS may get the right game this season doesn't mean it's going to get it right every year. Even if the top 2 teams get in, the playoff talk shouldn't stop. It's just ridiculous that we have computers with numbers such as 0.95318255 and that decides who plays in the BCS championship. Getting it right once doesn't mean it'll get it right every year. I don't think the playoff talk will ever stop, until we get one. Whether it's the 17th team excluded from a playoff system or the 9th team, I would much rather have that controversy than a controversy on who should play in the biggest game of the year.
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Computers have to be involved. Most people dont like it. But they are unbiased. They dont care if you are Michigan (1st in the computers), Texas (10th), Louisville (3rd), or Rutgers (9th).

Humans still make up 2/3 of the system. It is the HUMAN polls that are holding back undefeated teams like Rutgers (9 in computers, 13 & 14 in human polls).
 
bah007 said:
The media was the problem. They have an agenda. If the BCS fails this year then I will join your arguement. But if the BCS chooses the right game again then this playoff talk needs to stop.
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I vote playoffs....

The best team doesn't always win. College or NFL..... The best team doesn't alway win.

The Steelers weren't the best team in the league last year, not even close. But they are the SuperBowl Champs.
 
bah007 said:
Computers have to be involved. Most people dont like it. But they are unbiased. They dont care if you are Michigan (1st in the computers), Texas (10th), Louisville (3rd), or Rutgers (9th).

Humans still make up 2/3 of the system. It is the HUMAN polls that are holding back undefeated teams like Rutgers (9 in computers, 13 & 14 in human polls).
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If Texas didn't play OhioState until next week, Texas would still be #2.
 
bah007 said:
Computers have to be involved.
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This is why college football is a joke and is 2nd rate to the NFL. Why even play any games at all? Just have both coaches sit down and play Madden each week. Actually, that would be more competitive than having some flawed computer choose teams by stats. If this was done in the NFL, Peyton Manning would have 2 or 3 rings by now.
 
bah007 said:
Because they would be undefeated.
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but would they be a better team?? If they lose in September as opposed to November, wouldn't that be the same team??



Hookem Horns said:
This is why college football is a joke and is 2nd rate to the NFL. Why even play any games at all? Just have both coaches sit down and play Madden each week. Actually, that would be more competitive than having some flawed computer choose teams by stats. If this was done in the NFL, Peyton Manning would have 2 or 3 rings by now.
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I wonder how the NFL teams would have done using that same computer system. Would they have picked the Steelers to be in the SuperBowl last year??

Would they have picked the Patriots to be in three SuperBowls??
 
I don't see how anybody could argue against a playoff system. You take the top 8 teams, drop the conference championship and take the bowl for a given, you've only added 1 game to the schedule of the top 8 teams. #9 get's shafted? Well they would have gotten shafted from a BCS bowl in the current system. School's don't make money? The top 8 should make helluva money - and the rest could stick to their regular galleryfurniture.com bowls or whatever.

Mostly I get sick of the neverending debate. Heck if anybody came along and beat Texas, Ohio State and Michigan in a row...there would be no debate about champion.

Try this scenario on for size - Say Michigan beats Ohio State, and Texas makes it to the National Championship game where they beat Michigan. Who's our one-loss undisputed champion?
 
Haams said:
I don't see how anybody could argue against a playoff system. You take the top 8 teams, drop the conference championship and take the bowl for a given, you've only added 1 game to the schedule of the top 8 teams. #9 get's shafted? Well they would have gotten shafted from a BCS bowl in the current system. School's don't make money? The top 8 should make helluva money - and the rest could stick to their regular galleryfurniture.com bowls or whatever.

Mostly I get sick of the neverending debate. Heck if anybody came along and beat Texas, Ohio State and Michigan in a row...there would be no debate about champion.

Try this scenario on for size - Say Michigan beats Ohio State, and Texas makes it to the National Championship game where they beat Michigan. Who's our one-loss undisputed champion?
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Whoever wins the BCS championship is the CHAMPION.

Try this scenario on for size - What if we do the playoff thing.

Texas loses to Ohio St. in the regular season. Michigan beats Ohio St in the regular season.

Then Ohio St beats Michigan in the playoffs & Texas beats Ohio St in the championship game. Who is your one-loss undisputed champion now?
 
bah007 said:
Whoever wins the BCS championship is the CHAMPION.

Try this scenario on for size - What if we do the playoff thing.

Texas loses to Ohio St. in the regular season. Michigan beats Ohio St in the regular season.

Then Ohio St beats Michigan in the playoffs & Texas beats Ohio St in the championship game. Who is your one-loss undisputed champion now?
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TEXAS. See...playoffs make you not have to think.
 
here's how the BCS games shape up in my opinion:

Orange Bowl: Wake Forest vs. Auburn
Sugar Bowl: Florida vs. Notre Dame
Fiesta Bowl: Texas vs. Boise State
Rose Bowl: Cal vs. Michigan

Championship: Ohio State vs. Louisville

all pretty good games to me. or at least INTERESTING.
 
bah007 said:
Whoever wins the BCS championship is the CHAMPION.

Try this scenario on for size - What if we do the playoff thing.

Texas loses to Ohio St. in the regular season. Michigan beats Ohio St in the regular season.

Then Ohio St beats Michigan in the playoffs & Texas beats Ohio St in the championship game. Who is your one-loss undisputed champion now?
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Seeing as how Texas would have to beat what, Louissiville then Auburn, then Ohio State - I don't think it would leave much doubt as to a champ.

Main thing is I think there are a few teams most seasons who deserve a shot at the title. Just because Michigan (or Texas) lose to Ohio State in the season doesn't mean they aren't the second best team. With a playoff you take out the guessing, take out the stat grinding computers, take out media influence and just let the kids play. Sure, the best team might not always make the big game - but the champ will always have to beat three top 8 teams in a row.
 
bah007 said:
Whoever wins the BCS championship is the CHAMPION.

Try this scenario on for size - What if we do the playoff thing.

Texas loses to Ohio St. in the regular season. Michigan beats Ohio St in the regular season.

Then Ohio St beats Michigan in the playoffs & Texas beats Ohio St in the championship game. Who is your one-loss undisputed champion now?
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Well, then let's just scrap March Madness too and make that like the BCS. Then we can call it March Mundane.:yawn:

A poll that decides on only 2 teams to play for your sports championship, when the people who vote in the poll have biased opinions factored into their vote (i.e. Louisville getting votes anywhere from 2nd to 9th) is just half a step less stupid than the way it used to be when the polls just picked one team and that was it. Not even a one game playoff like their is now.

The BCS is retarded. That can't be stressed enough.
 
and that's what it was made to do. thus....it works. perfectly, in fact. it's never picked less or more than 2 teams. flawless. i love it.
 
I think its sad that the main proponent of the BCS is money. The only real reason it is still around is that it makes colleges money and university presidents care about that way more then who should be the undisputed champion. I would love to see a playoff, not just because it would eliminate all the guessing and eliminate the situation in which a game in Week 2 determines your season, but because of the great games it would offer. I would love to see UT play Florida, Ohio State play Auburn, USC play Michigan and so forth. Instead of one great matchup, like the Rose Bowl last year, we would get a bunch of really good games between the best teams in college
 
run-david-run said:
I think its sad that the main proponent of the BCS is money. The only real reason it is still around is that it makes colleges money and university presidents care about that way more then who should be the undisputed champion. I would love to see a playoff, not just because it would eliminate all the guessing and eliminate the situation in which a game in Week 2 determines your season, but because of the great games it would offer. I would love to see UT play Florida, Ohio State play Auburn, USC play Michigan and so forth. Instead of one great matchup, like the Rose Bowl last year, we would get a bunch of really good games between the best teams in college
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And the stupid part is, there would be MORE MONEY with a playoff system. A 16 team playoff would be bigger than March Madness.
 
Speedy said:
And the stupid part is, there would be MORE MONEY with a playoff system. A 16 team playoff would be bigger than March Madness.
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Exactly. I steal Charlie Palillo's point of view on this (from 790) and he basically says that March Madness is one of the most talked about events, water cooler stuff. People make their own ballots, there's office pots, etc... Can you imagine the same thing in December or January? Give me a good argument as to why we shouldn't have a playoff and I can give you ten as to why we should.
 
kastofsna said:
and longer.
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First round starts Dec. 7-9, Thu-Sat. 2nd round the following weekend Fri. Sat Dec. 15-16, Semis Sat. Dec. 23, Champinship game Monday night, January 8.

And the teams in the championship don't have a 5 week gap between their last game and the championship.

And we get meaningful college football in December.

How anyone can support a "vote only 2 in" system is beyond me.
 
Looks like Auburn is officialy out of it. Florida stugguling with South Carolina. With every week that goes by, UT looks like a better shot to get in to the title game.
 
Who cares???!!!! I guess if you're an alum or student of one of these schools you do. But whatever.

I think a playoff is much better than the mess now.
 
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