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Come here and bash Carr all you want. But all I can tell all you Carr haters is your are either incredibly ignorant and short-sighted or you can't get over your insatiable lust for Vince Young. Our defense looked horrible. Our offensive line provided Carr with no protection. Our receivers looked pretty good, at least Moulds and AJ. And Carr is our player of the game. He came out ready to play and has shown lots of improvement. He has improved remarkably, even after getting his a** sacked like crazy. He has made some mistake, but what quarterback doesn't. I mean McNabb threw an interception, yet Philly fans will praise him. Carr made sure he held on to the ball and he hit his receivers in stride. His pass to Moulds in the first was right on. Go have fun looking at pictures of Vince Young with his shirt off all you Carr bashers, and I'll be the one to at least try and keep an open mind about the abilities of David Carr. Carr and Ryans: co-players of the game. Bring on the Carr bashing....
 
How can anyone bash Carr after that game, it was like one of his best him and Moulds and Andre were the only ones who actually showed promise the rest of the team looked like they didn't even wanna be there, Congrats Carr on a good game despite little pass protection
 
Carr had a 102.1 passer rating and over 200 yards. He looked good. He also had some gutsy rushes.
 
Believe me, I know Carr did great. But if you head into the official Eagles-Texans Thread, you will still see plenty of guys, or a few, bashing Carr. And all I can say is it is totally moronic. They just can't see the forest through the trees. But what can you do? You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink....
 
Ckw5814 said:
Come here and bash Carr all you want. But all I can tell all you Carr haters is your are either incredibly ignorant and short-sighted or you can't get over your insatiable lust for Vince Young. Our defense looked horrible. Our offensive line provided Carr with no protection. Our receivers looked pretty good, at least Moulds and AJ. And Carr is our player of the game. He came out ready to play and has shown lots of improvement. He has improved remarkably, even after getting his a** sacked like crazy. He has made some mistake, but what quarterback doesn't. I mean McNabb threw an interception, yet Philly fans will praise him. Carr made sure he held on to the ball and he hit his receivers in stride. His pass to Moulds in the first was right on. Go have fun looking at pictures of Vince Young with his shirt off all you Carr bashers, and I'll be the one to at least try and keep an open mind about the abilities of David Carr. Carr and Ryans: co-players of the game. Bring on the Carr bashing....
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While I agree that there were a few plays that the O-Line could have (Your gonna hate me for this, :tease: ) "executed" better. Overall though, I felt they did a decent job.
 
Carr played pretty good IMO. He wasn't perfect but he looked better than in the preseason.

And whats with the F*&#in SACKS!! :hairpull: I thought we were taking care of that problem!! :brickwall
 
That made no sense MrMeToo, given that Andre was on the team the last three years.

I'm all for witty criticisms, but that sucked.

Carr played well today. The defense and run game didn't.
 
I think he still needs to be more mindful of when to dump the ball off when he gets hit with a blitz, but he's definitely showing improvement.

When are we going to get a working OLine? :(
 
Brandon420tx said:
While I agree that there were a few plays that the O-Line could have (Your gonna hate me for this, :tease: ) "executed" better. Overall though, I felt they did a decent job.
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I do agree that the O Line did not look terrible, but by no means did they look good. In fact, I even think they deserve the label "bad". Carr performed exceptionally well, all things considered. His slip when he was sacked was terrible, but that was his only real big mistake of the day. He showed guts and more poise than we have seen from him all year. My only point is that Carr did well, but many will simply refuse to see it.
 
What, Carr sucks at reading the Blitz. The guy has 8 guys comming and he is so damn dumb he cant make the read. That 4th down play he couldn't even see that safety blitzing, hell he threw the ball right into the guy. Scew that, stats lie, Carr was sacked what 6 times and only one of those were not on a full out blitz. Carr sucks
 
O-line looks bad?????? Dude how can they bick up a 8 man blitz???? Carr has to make that read and get rid of the ball. Tom Brady does it all the time and he is way less mobile than Carr
 
Carr looked good but out of the 4 sacks he held onto the ball a little too long on one of those sacks.....:wild: he needs to stop trying to make something out of nothing, so he does not get hurt......but overall looked good....
 
Divebomb said:
What, Carr sucks at reading the Blitz. The guy has 8 guys comming and he is so damn dumb he cant make the read. That 4th down play he couldn't even see that safety blitzing, hell he threw the ball right into the guy. Scew that, stats lie, Carr was sacked what 6 times and only one of those were not on a full out blitz. Carr sucks
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Shut up. Seriously. This is a stupid argument. Only one of those times was the sack Carrs fault. (the one where he fell down). The rest were blocking breakdowns.

Carr had about 10 people breathing down his neck and made his read and kicked it out. Passes get batted down on blitzes like that. How is that the QBs fault? It was a good play by the Safety, plain and simple
 
i think Carr played pretty well today. the offense was not able to get anything going as eagles controlled the game in the 2nd half
 
MrMeToo said:
The only reason Carr looked good today was because ANDRE JOHNSON (THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM BY FAR).
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give it up
if you just plain hate the guy stop posting ..just put in your signature that I just dont' like the guy no matter what
 
He does himself no favors by (1) Tripping all by himself to kill a drive, and (2) stepping out of bounds to kill a drive when he had NO REASON to get THAT close to the sideline in the first place...we're no talking about fractions of an inch, he had YARDS between him and the nearest defender, and he tries to dance down the chalk. I almost flung the remote at the TV when he did that. It cost us a TD, period.

Whoop-dee-doo: He had over 200 yds. and a rating of 100+. McNabb had 3 TDs, a heckuva' lot more yards passing, and HIS team won the game (mostly due to him recognizing our defenses weaknesses/audibling into better plays based on his pre-snap recognition. Did carr EVER audible today? Was he telepathically audibling to his temmates? Because I don't recall him going audible when they stacked the line for an OBVIOUS blitz.

Sorry. I have supported Carr for a long long time. His delivery is whack, his pre-snap judgment is whack, his deep ball is whack.

Add to that the bad blocking by all the TEs, all the RBs...plus the lack of a pass rush and the lack of any sort of big-time blitzes at McNabb, and this game became pretty predictable in the second half. Same old Texans.

We need something, and I don;t think it's on the field right now. Totally 100% disgusted with a team that can orchestrate a beautiful opening drive and then cannot manufacture anything else the rest of the game. Somebody should tell those guys that this is not preseason and we cannot be GREAT on the first drive and then pack it in for the rest of the game.
 
I wouldn't start bashing our line so early and start pointing fingers.If I had to decide who lost this game I would have to blame the whole team.


Thats the only way to look at it.

If everyone can't have credit noone gets it.:brickwall
 
Wolf said:
give it up
if you just plain hate the guy stop posting ..just put in your signature that I just dont' like the guy no matter what
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I don't hate the guy; he actually looked quite impressive the first quarter. I think he could have played better, but what do I know?
 
Divebomb said:
O-line looks bad?????? Dude how can they bick up a 8 man blitz???? Carr has to make that read and get rid of the ball. Tom Brady does it all the time and he is way less mobile than Carr
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I only saw one or two 8 man blitzes. So what you are saying is a bit extreme. One was when Carr slipped. Another was when we had Putzier "blocking" Jevon Kearse and he broke through and sacked Carr. And if this doesn't tell you anything, he was sacked twice by Trent Cole, a second teamer if I am not mistake. Not constant 8 man blitzes as you claim. But hey, I wish I had your ability to simply see what I want to see...
 
Divebomb said:
What, Carr sucks at reading the Blitz. The guy has 8 guys comming and he is so damn dumb he cant make the read. That 4th down play he couldn't even see that safety blitzing, hell he threw the ball right into the guy. Scew that, stats lie, Carr was sacked what 6 times and only one of those were not on a full out blitz. Carr sucks
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Are you just blind or ignorant? Only one of the sacks that occured was Carr's fault, he had a good game with alot of pressure he was more poised in the pocket and let's not forget a HORRIBLE i mean HORRIBLE rushing attack i think we had all of 70 yards rushing and wait 25 of those yards came from Carr
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
He does himself no favors by (1) Tripping all by himself to kill a drive, and (2) stepping out of bounds to kill a drive when he had NO REASON to get THAT close to the sideline in the first place...we're no talking about fractions of an inch, he had YARDS between him and the nearest defender, and he tries to dance down the chalk. I almost flung the remote at the TV when he did that. It cost us a TD, period.

Whoop-dee-doo: He had over 200 yds. and a rating of 100+. McNabb had 3 TDs, a heckuva' lot more yards passing, and HIS team won the game (mostly due to him recognizing our defenses weaknesses/audibling into better plays based on his pre-snap recognition. Did carr EVER audible today? Was he telepathically audibling to his temmates? Because I don't recall him going audible when they stacked the line for an OBVIOUS blitz.

Sorry. I have supported Carr for a long long time. His delivery is whack, his pre-snap judgment is whack, his deep ball is whack.

Add to that the bad blocking by all the TEs, all the RBs...plus the lack of a pass rush and the lack of any sort of big-time blitzes at McNabb, and this game became pretty predictable in the second half. Same old Texans.

We need something, and I don;t think it's on the field right now. Totally 100% disgusted with a team that can orchestrate a beautiful opening drive and then cannot manufacture anything else the rest of the game. Somebody should tell those guys that this is not preseason and we cannot be GREAT on the first drive and then pack it in for the rest of the game.
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come on GP..I am sure Carr meant to fall or meant to step out of bounds.. :ok:

your reaching there

I am more ticked about our defense and their ability to get lit up for 400+ yards
 
Ckw5814 said:
Come here and bash Carr all you want. But all I can tell all you Carr haters is your are either incredibly ignorant and short-sighted or you can't get over your insatiable lust for Vince Young. Our defense looked horrible. Our offensive line provided Carr with no protection. Our receivers looked pretty good, at least Moulds and AJ. And Carr is our player of the game. He came out ready to play and has shown lots of improvement. He has improved remarkably, even after getting his a** sacked like crazy. He has made some mistake, but what quarterback doesn't. I mean McNabb threw an interception, yet Philly fans will praise him. Carr made sure he held on to the ball and he hit his receivers in stride. His pass to Moulds in the first was right on. Go have fun looking at pictures of Vince Young with his shirt off all you Carr bashers, and I'll be the one to at least try and keep an open mind about the abilities of David Carr. Carr and Ryans: co-players of the game. Bring on the Carr bashing....
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Wow!!!!! I'm so happy he did well! I missed the game but I can't tell you how good this makes me feel.

The QB is so central to the game, however, we need to fix our other problems.
 
MrMeToo said:
I don't hate the guy; he actually looked quite impressive the first quarter. I think he could have played better, but what do I know?
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hmm.. I have to give props to the Eagle defense.. they flat out out played us.. when they blitzed we didn't pick up..when we tried to run the screens.. somehow they knew it was coming and stopped that too..

I can't belive there is a thread on David Carr when Stallworth destroyed us..
 
gtexan02 said:
Shut up. Seriously. This is a stupid argument. Only one of those times was the sack Carrs fault. (the one where he fell down). The rest were blocking breakdowns.

Carr had about 10 people breathing down his neck and made his read and kicked it out. Passes get batted down on blitzes like that. How is that the QBs fault? It was a good play by the Safety, plain and simple
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Look budy, you can kiss my !!! You can shut up. QB in the NFL, PRO QB's, make plays on that rush every day. 10 people breathing down your neck and before the play starts you see single coverage on AJ or Moulds. High School QB's could have made that read. You should watch who you call a idot as well. The last time I checked this is a fee country, and there is no rule on this board about "You must glorify David Carr even when he chokes in the Red Zone"
 
Was that sarcasm I sense? If so, good job. But your missing something. The QB is extremely central to a team's success. Why else has Carr been so hated? Also, Tom Brady is single handedly the soul of that Patriots team. Without him, do we have the dynasty we see today? But if there was no sarcasm, I'm with you. Yes, I'm pumped Carr did well. But our defense, rushing attack, and offensive line, looked below average at best.
 
Wolf said:
hmm.. I have to give props to the Eagle defense.. they flat out out played us.. when they blitzed we didn't pick up..when we tried to run the screens.. somehow they knew it was coming and stopped that too..

I can't belive there is a thread on David Carr when McNabb, Westbrook, and Stallworth destroyed us..
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I fixed it for you.
 
Divebomb said:
Look budy, you can kiss my !!! You can shut up. QB in the NFL, PRO QB's, make plays on that rush every day. 10 people breathing down your neck and before the play starts you see single coverage on AJ or Moulds. High School QB's could have made that read. You should watch who you call a idot as well. The last time I checked this is a fee country, and there is no rule on this board about "You must glorify David Carr even when he chokes in the Red Zone"
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this is what I am talking about.... Carr should have just said he didn't want to resign with the Texans..no matter what he does (have a good game or not)..you guys bash him for the loss.. and if the Texans win and Carr has a bad game ...you still bash.. .there is no win for you guys..your relentless


IF YOU JUST PLAIN HATE THE GUY JUST PUT IT IN YOUR SIGNATURE

I for one know that if Carr doesn't perform ..he will be replaced. but he performed.. what more do you want? ...Carr and his sacks.. they happen .. he fell. I am sure none of yall ever fell going back from center and got your feet tangled.. .. people are human
 
NJTexanFan said:
Are you just blind or ignorant? Only one of the sacks that occured was Carr's fault, he had a good game with alot of pressure he was more poised in the pocket and let's not forget a HORRIBLE i mean HORRIBLE rushing attack i think we had all of 70 yards rushing and wait 25 of those yards came from Carr
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I agree the rushing attack sucked, but when you get single coverage on AJ you can make a play every down. Hell Stallworth had single coverage and he had what 8 or 9 catches. Ignorant is a QB who sees a 7 man blitz with 4 comming off the weak side and stands in the pocket and or does not make a audible for a screen or something, that is what you get with David Carr, that is why he sucks. No pressure and he looks good, bring a rush and he chokes hiss butt off!!!!!! You guys are such Carr homers
 
Brandon420tx said:
While I agree that there were a few plays that the O-Line could have (Your gonna hate me for this, :tease: ) "executed" better. Overall though, I felt they did a decent job.
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I agree they did better, but not where we need to be yet...but, signs of improvement.
 
Overall, I would have to say the game played out how I expected it too.

We showed that we have the personnel to win some games, however we are going to have growing pains with the rebuilding of our offense line and our defense.

I really liked the first drive that Carr put together. Solid throwing and good efficient ball movement. As the game went on our offensive line showed its weaknesses and the blitz destroyed us.

On defense our front 4 did not produce, in my opinion, to the level they should have. DeMeco looked decient, OLB's alright/subpar, Lewis Sanders got burned one to many times, and Dunta did alright.

Whoever said David Carr sucked during that game is retarded. He made a couple mistakes and his stats did inflate how well he did. But I think overall he played well. Dont let a couple plays determine how Carr performed.

I just made a bet with my Redskins buddy that the Texans will not have the first pick in the draft next year...3 to 1 odds. I still have faith we can win games. Go Texans.
 
highroller28 said:
to keep a running total of how many people go from "Play Carr" to "Bench Carr."
I for one, am not a Carr apologist but I think he played pretty well today. I still would like to see another QB run the show just as a litmus test to see what our expectations should be of the QB position.
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See that's what I don't get.

I have been a Carr apologist (by your definition) and I thought he killed two big-time scoring drives by tripping on his own, and by running out of bounds: The two things no professional should do when you need big time plays. You should be able to stay on your feet when nobody is around, and you should be able to better guage where your feet are in relation to the sidelines.

This is crazy. I have seen two Carr bashers say he had a great game, and I am saying he stunk.

The end of the world is friggin' near!
 
I'm not a big Carr fan, but he played very good today. He didn't show any of the happy feet or irradict decision making like he did in the preseason. All of the sacks were from bad blocking. It was very easy to see.
 
Wolf said:
come on GP..I am sure Carr meant to fall or meant to step out of bounds.. :ok:

your reaching there

I am more ticked about our defense and their ability to get lit up for 400+ yards
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That's NOT reaching.

Is it too much to ask, under normal field conditions, for a guy to stay on his feet during his dropback? Is it too much to ask for a guy to stay in bounds when he CAN instead of getting that close to it and ruining a great scoring opportunity?

Not a reach.

The stuff I am angry about is pat-your-tummy-and-rub-your-head-at-the-same-time kinda' stuff.

Awful. It un-did everything else that he DID do a decent job of.
 
I am a Texans fan, not a Carr fan. He does not perform under pressure. You guys can say what you want but the score tells it all. I think with a running game you will be able to roll Carr out and let him make some plays, this is when I think Carr can be the most productive. He is not a Pocket QB and today he sat in the pocket during blitz packages. I would rather see him run and gain three yards than sit and get d=sacked 6 times. He slips throw the ball away dont take the sack. It is the same deal as last year. I saw McNabb throw the ball away when he was going down. So yea Carr completed alot of passes, he did not have any INT, so does this make his performance great? McNabb had a INT but then again he threw the ball down field. He also had 3 TD's.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
He does himself no favors by (1) Tripping all by himself to kill a drive, and (2) stepping out of bounds to kill a drive when he had NO REASON to get THAT close to the sideline in the first place...we're no talking about fractions of an inch, he had YARDS between him and the nearest defender, and he tries to dance down the chalk. I almost flung the remote at the TV when he did that. It cost us a TD, period.

Whoop-dee-doo: He had over 200 yds. and a rating of 100+. McNabb had 3 TDs, a heckuva' lot more yards passing, and HIS team won the game (mostly due to him recognizing our defenses weaknesses/audibling into better plays based on his pre-snap recognition. Did carr EVER audible today? Was he telepathically audibling to his temmates? Because I don't recall him going audible when they stacked the line for an OBVIOUS blitz.

Sorry. I have supported Carr for a long long time. His delivery is whack, his pre-snap judgment is whack, his deep ball is whack.

Add to that the bad blocking by all the TEs, all the RBs...plus the lack of a pass rush and the lack of any sort of big-time blitzes at McNabb, and this game became pretty predictable in the second half. Same old Texans.

We need something, and I don;t think it's on the field right now. Totally 100% disgusted with a team that can orchestrate a beautiful opening drive and then cannot manufacture anything else the rest of the game. Somebody should tell those guys that this is not preseason and we cannot be GREAT on the first drive and then pack it in for the rest of the game.
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Did you watch the game? Carr started out 8/9 with absoultley no running game. He was never close to turning the ball over, and threw several great balls (deep one to AJ, Moulds for the TD). He was by far the best player on the field and he did everything he could to basically carry the offense with absolutley no help from the running backs.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
That's NOT reaching.

Is it too much to ask, under normal field conditions, for a guy to stay on his feet during his dropback? Is it too much to ask for a guy to stay in bounds when he CAN instead of getting that close to it and ruining a great scoring opportunity?

Not a reach.

The stuff I am angry about is pat-your-tummy-and-rub-your-head-at-the-same-time kinda' stuff.

Awful. It un-did everything else that he DID do a decent job of.
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I hate to tell you this, but Carr isn't the first Qb to fall while dropping back to pass. yall blaming him for this is flat out ignorant..not stopping Stallworth and giving up a Td drive for 80 yards under a minute .. and what was the Eagles 3rd down conversion rate??
8-13... wow.. hard to win a game when you can't stop them on 3rd down


we flat out got beat by a better team today
 
run-david-run said:
Did you watch the game? Carr started out 8/9 with absoultley no running game. He was never close to turning the ball over, and threw several great balls (deep one to AJ, Moulds for the TD). He was by far the best player on the field and he did everything he could to basically carry the offense with absolutley no help from the running backs.
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he did fairly well the first half.

the second half was pathetic. and the second half is where he cost us two potential TDs.

his shoulder shrugs say it all.

look, i've defended him a loooooooooong time. and i felt good about him in the first half. but the second half was where he just mentally locked down and I don;t think he performed well in the second half at all. He had one good run up the middle, which was a great play. Outisde of that...he didn't impress me much with his decision making abilities in the second half.

spare me the "did you watch the game?" sarcastic crap. I did. And I wished I had just watched the first half and then spent my time watching another game during the second half.

"Oh, we're doing so much better!" Right...............
 
Divebomb said:
I am a Texans fan, not a Carr fan. He does not perform under pressure. You guys can say what you want but the score tells it all. I think with a running game you will be able to roll Carr out and let him make some plays, this is when I think Carr can be the most productive. He is not a Pocket QB and today he sat in the pocket during blitz packages. I would rather see him run and gain three yards than sit and get d=sacked 6 times. He slips throw the ball away dont take the sack. It is the same deal as last year. I saw McNabb throw the ball away when he was going down. So yea Carr completed alot of passes, he did not have any INT, so does this make his performance great? McNabb had a INT but then again he threw the ball down field. He also had 3 TD's.
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no the same deal is he would run out of bounds.

McNabb also had a running game to back him
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
he did fairly well the first half.

the second half was pathetic. and the second half is where he cost us two potential TDs.

his shoulder shrugs say it all.

look, i've defended him a loooooooooong time. and i felt good about him in the first half. but the second half was where he just mentally locked down and I don;t think he performed well in the second half at all. He had one good run up the middle, which was a great play. Outisde of that...he didn't impress me much with his decision making abilities in the second half.

spare me the "did you watch the game?" sarcastic crap. I did. And I wished I had just watched the first half and then spent my time watching another game during the second half.

"Oh, we're doing so much better!" Right...............
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I think you should turn the computer off, walk outside and take a deep breath. And come back tomorrow when your knee stops jerking.
 
1. David Carr is what he is. Pretty boy with not much in the poise, leadership, playmaker column. We would have known this about Carr much sooner if he had been drafted by an established team. He has had the excuse of poor line, poor coaches, poor game plan, poor.. whatever the outcome would have been basically the same. He might of had a chance if drafted by right team and brought along slowly. Now he has been damanged beyond repair .
He reminds me of another sports hero Stevie Franchise. Stevie never did GET IT.
He was given the job from the beginning and still has it simply because the Texan management refuses to admit that they were wrong. I do understand this has a chance to be different with Kube in that Kube was not here in the beginning, another MAJOR mistake by the original braintrust. But Kube now has a stake in Carr because of what he has said. At what point do they wash their hands a really start over. Hopefullysooner than later.
Sagelooks like a possibility.

2. Mario is pretty boy number 2, no let's make that body beautiful number 1.
A lot of people like the story about how he said he would quit football and support his family in college. That story scared the ---- out of me. Is he another Stromile or Eddie Griffin. A person with all the tools but no real love for the game. Today he showed absolutely nothing. Nothing but another warm body. He definitely in no stud. Do you like the spin about his real impact will not show in stats. BS Does not show any desire. When will this new braintrust admit it made a mistake. Let me answer that, never.

Do I sound angry. Just don't want to see Reggie highlights.
 
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