nunusguy said:
That's exactly my point, it's not relavant. It is meaningless. VY almost surely scored in the single digits on his first attempt while Leinert reportedly scored very high. Maybe in the 30s as I recall ? However VY goes #3 and Leinert almost falls out of the top 10. And these guys are of course QBs, the one position where Wonderlic scores were thought to have a positive correlation to a players potential to succeed at the next level.
I really don't see any point in continuing to administer these tests since the
market, which is all the matters ultimately, says it doesn't give a squat about a guys score.
There is a lot of testing that goes on at the Combine past published measurables, and it factors into the decision to draft a player to varying degrees. The Wonderlic is simply one of those tests (others include the obvious background checks, basic psychiatric evaluations, as well as very detailed, prolonged physical exams, etc.) In the scheme of things and especially in regards to a celebrated, obviously talented and historically successful player like Vince Young, will his low Wonderlic crucify his draft status? --obviously not -- but it is nevertheless a viable factor, one of many that is considered, and is more probable to play a larger role in later round decisions.
To me, VY's low Wonderlic didn't indicate lack of intelligence (since I scored 10/10 in a practice test in 50 seconds; "a caveman could do it") but rather a lack of effort, or possibly the feeling that he thinks he is too good or too cool to bother. That to me is indicative of a potential attitude problem moreso than a basic, can-he-read-a-defense question. I think VY is a lazy thinker and that he will struggle in the pro game (or rather, not achieve all that he is capable of) so long as he relies only on his athleticism to get it done for him. But I don't say this to start another bash-VY post; I think he will be good and possibly great, I just think he will struggle at points along the way.
People made a big deal about VY and the Wonderlic because it really is sub-moronic that VY got a 6 on it ... I don't think any serious analysts were subsequently genuinely questioning his ability to play football. It was overblown sure, but I don't think that score alone really shuffled Vince on any team's draft boards. Teams typically conduct prolonged and very detailed interviews (and incorporate the results of those many other tests I mentioned) with potential draft choices and it's simply not possible for one bad intelligence test score to significantly alter their opinion of the guy. And people would talk the same talk if it were revealed in tomorrow's paper that Brad Pitt scored a 40 on an IQ test ... IMO it was mostly just celebrity gossip, at a time where VY was one of the nation's and especially the sports world's hottest celebrities.
Your suggestion that "the market" is all that matters is offbase IMO, considering that "the market" here in Houston were screaming for Bush or Young and got neither.
As far as VY going ahead of Leinart, I've heard from multiple sources that Bud was hellbent on drafting VY and I've heard conflicting reports that Tennessee's coaching staff wanted Leinart but were vetoed. So I wouldn't make too much out of VY going ahead of Leinart, as if that is indicative of either skill or potential in this league.
's crawl out of the woodworks.
