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66cobra said:good one, thanks....
I can't believe that Bush wanted $28 mill guaranteed, while Williams was happy with $24.5 guaranteed. Even though Dogra wanted the same $28M, I am glad to see that Williams was happy with the contract and settled for lesser guaranteed money. It kind of makes Bush look selfish...
66cobra said:good one, thanks....
I can't believe that Bush wanted $28 mill guaranteed, while Williams was happy with $24.5 guaranteed. Even though Dogra wanted the same $28M, I am glad to see that Williams was happy with the contract and settled for lesser guaranteed money. It kind of makes Bush look selfish...
Yea no kiddingTexanFan881 said:good luck signing him New Orleans...
I still wish we would have just gave Bush the money though
HoneymoonIsOver said:i would have loved the draft if we would have gotten Mario or DBrick at #4
HoneymoonIsOver said:...trading down to #4 you are guaranteed to get either DBrick or Mario....period...end of story. Either pick would have been a GREAT pick at #4...Trading down was ONLY smart decision once you decided Bush was not gonna be the pick at #1. but of course trading down would have been the smart thing to do but smart and Texans front office are rarely used in the same sentence.
HoneymoonIsOver said:spits in the face of the fans...they did the right thing by drafting for need on the line but neither Mario or DBrick were worth the 1st pick overall....
HoneymoonIsOver said:but anywho, the draft pretty much fell right for us the rest of the way and the additions of Flanagan, Moulds and Weaver should really improve the team.
HoneymoonIsOver said:oh another quick poll. would you rather beat colts or cowboys this year? i say without pause Colts, but i dont have the Houston Inferiority Complex that most Houstonians have towards Dallas....I want to punish Peyton this year
Ole Miss Texan said:Been reading MB's for months now but just got around to "regestering".
First off, I'd say our FO and coaches know more about football and our team than we do, a lot more than me anyway. I'm really looking forward to all the changes, ie 4-3 defense and Kubes!
If they could have traded down and gotten Mario or D'brick and more picks maybe they would have done that, it would have been a good move. But in order to move down...somebody has to be willing to move up. It just seems like there wasn't a whole lot of interest from other teams to move up to our spot. Meaning they didn't see the benefit in getting Reggie Bush over a Top 5 guy plus several other picks (that wouldn't be in THEIR best interest).
At the end of the day I'm excited about the Mario pick. I was very pro bush all the months leading up to the 29th. I sure hope he can get to a better team some how to really showcase his stuff. I trust our new staff and think they know what their doing.
Just out of curiosity (sp?)...How many teams had Reggie Bush as #1 and how many had Mario at #1 ..bpa#1. I've heard anywhere from 0 to 8 teams. If up to 8 that shows he's pretty special (given all the reggie hype and certainty). I wish Mario could have gotten a lot more publicity last season and everyone actually know about him and that he was an option. Seems like he really just was picked up on the radar in the last few weeks before the draft and that's why everyone is frantic and confused/upset.
HoneymoonIsOver said:i would have loved the draft if we would have gotten Mario or DBrick at #4 and a few extra picks in a very deep draft.
HoneymoonIsOver said:until I see Mario produce consistently like a #1 overall pick against quality competition....which he has NEVER DONE IN HIS CAREER.
doug from the woodlands
Wait until the season starts, you haven't seen anything yet...66cobra said:good one, thanks....
I can't believe that Bush wanted $28 mill guaranteed, while Williams was happy with $24.5 guaranteed. Even though Dogra wanted the same $28M, I am glad to see that Williams was happy with the contract and settled for lesser guaranteed money. It kind of makes Bush look selfish...
GrandPa said:Wait until the season starts, you haven't seen anything yet...
Houston better hope Bush does not sign or is a total bust or this message board will light up like you have never seen before...
Things might quiet down for now but watch and see what happens when the season starts...
The Jets didn't want to pony up to get Reggie at #2...... why do you still beleive they would have given us "fair value" at #1??HoneymoonIsOver said:not the consensus #1 pick.
Either pick would have been a GREAT pick at #4.
Trading down was ONLY smart decision once you decided Bush was not gonna be the pick at #1. but of course trading down would have been the smart thing to do but smart and Texans front office are rarely used in the same sentence.
Certain fans have been spitting in the face of this organization for a long time. Drafting Reggie, IMHO, would have been appeasing them.HoneymoonIsOver said:spits in the face of the fans.
& what had Reggie done....... think about it. He's the #2 RB for a start studded team...... the #3 reciever. Reggie wasn't sitting on the sideline for one 4th and 1 play....... he was on the sideline twice, in the biggest game of his season. If anyone should've gone back to school their senior year, it's Reggie. He should have played when he could be considered the #1 option on 4th & Distance.HoneymoonIsOver said:drafting on measurables as opposed to results. mario is a freak of nature. we all know that. superior athlete yada yada yada. bottom line is dude did NOTHING at NC State to warrant #1 overall pick.
Well that explains your position right there.HoneymoonIsOver said:Nowadays, the NFL is like college football...
That's another problem....... accepting mediocrity........ Oh, we'll be happy with a loosing season, as long as we sell a bunch of Reggie Bush Texans Jerseys.........................HoneymoonIsOver said:well rant over, i am looking forward to the season and hopefully our first non-losing season...ill take 8-8 in a heartbeat.
HoneymoonIsOver said:oh another quick poll. would you rather beat colts or cowboys this year? i say without pause Colts, but i dont have the Houston Inferiority Complex that most Houstonians have towards Dallas....I want to punish Peyton this year
doug from the woodlands
thunderkyss said:& what had Reggie done....... think about it. He's the #2 RB for a start studded team...... the #3 reciever. Reggie wasn't sitting on the sideline for one 4th and 1 play....... he was on the sideline twice, in the biggest game of his season. If anyone should've gone back to school their senior year, it's Reggie. He should have played when he could be considered the #1 option on 4th & Distance.
thunderkyss said:That's another problem....... accepting mediocrity........ Oh, we'll be happy with a loosing season, as long as we sell a bunch of Reggie Bush Texans Jerseys.........................
pathetic
HoneymoonIsOver said:to all the other people who say 'no one wanted to trade up' I say BS. we were just asking for too much.
TexanFan881 said:Why should Reggie have gone back to college another year when he wins the Heisman and is easily considered the #1 pick up until draft day? If it's a Duece + Reggie combo, than he won't need to be in there on 4th down. I don't think he should have gone back to school just so he could prove more when he's already proved he was worthy of being the #1 pick.
I am truly sorry, for underestimating your zeal for our team. Please accept my apology.HoneymoonIsOver said:accepting mediocrity?!?! hey who knows, maybe we can make the playoffs and catch lightning in a bottle with Carr and Co. and we blow up ala the Rams. I wouldnt hold your breath though. I think 8-8 would be a pretty good turnaround from 2-14 and would even still have us in the wild card hunt in week 12 or so...anything can happen but dont call me out for accepting mediocrity.
I'll hold my breath if I wish......... Realistically, we're just dreaming right now anyway...... we won't have any clue of what kind of progress we're making(if any) until we can see them......... TC maybe?? Preseason most likely.HoneymoonIsOver said:I am just trying to be realistic towards our teams progress under Kubes....for all we know they could go 19-0 and win the Super Bowl but once again dont hold your breath.
HoneymoonIsOver said:to all the other people who say 'no one wanted to trade up' I say BS. we were just asking for too much. even a 2nd round pick would have been worth trading down to #4 based on the FO not wanting Bush and his baggage/agent. I think we set ourselves up for failure and embarassment with that pick...that is all. I feel sorry for Mario and hope he is all that he was 'measured' up to be at the combine because God knows we didnt see it on the football field. And saying that Mario made those other 2 DL at NCState is ridiculous, they all helped each other and Lawson was voted team MVP by his own players.....that should tell you something in itself
doug from the woodlands
trublu said:Everyone keeps posting that the Jets weren't even interested in the #2 pick once we passed on Bush, but I was watching the draft on the NFL network and they were reporting that Jets were pushing hard for the pick while NO was on the clock. The Saint GM was was on Sirius radio stating that there was no way he was passing up on Bush. Pat Kirwin asked about the Jets offer and the Saints GM said that they were ultimatly not going to budge unless someone offered the farm. The fact that NO pick Bush with about 5min still on the clock let you know that they weren't interested in moving.
Im impartial either way, and in retrospect I like Williams on our team, but just hearing everyone testify that there was absolutly no interest in Bush is ridiculous.:brickwall
Huge1 said:I can't remember the last Super Bowl champion team that had the league's leading rusher, but I can remember the last Super Bowl champion team with a dominate defense and dominate pass rush. 13 weeks ago.....
thunderkyss said:Either way, they couldn't put together a package that would make it worth the #2 overall pick........ I heard they weren't even close........
Casserly said, they didn't make an offer...... in fact if I remember, we tried to initiate talks with them.
Even so, the Jets take Bush, the Saints take Mario, Titans stick with Young, and we don't get what we wanted......
trublu said:OK we don't get Williams, the next player is Hawk. Plus we pick up extra early 2nd(Jimmy Williams,D'Qwell Jackson, Danieal Bullocks) and 3rd (Ashton Youboty). Three quality defense of players in exchange for one. PIT has a dominant defensive team not player.
thunderkyss said:Mario is the final piece of our dominant defensive team.
& don't tell me about the sense of trading down, I understand three starters in exchange for one..... but if you're continuing the discussion I was having with HoneyMoon, he suggested that we take any trade down, and his scenario had us getting the jets #4 overall, and their second, that's it. I wouldn't trade mario for AJ & Jimmy Williams, or AJ & D'Qwell........ when I should be able to get more than that with the #1 overall, and the guy I want the most will be gone after the second pick....
trublu said:Alright, I can accept your stance on taking the player you want without compromising, but please don't tell me that Mario is the final piece of our dominant defensive team. Do you not remember that we pretty much had the worst defense in the league? We will need much more work on D.
Earl Campbell (Offensive Player of the year again while claiming the NFL MVP, by rushing for an NFL best 1,697 yards, while scoring 19 TDs) and the Oilers were only one game vs Steelers from the Super Bowl 1978. I know real close but not close enough but it was Houston.Huge1 said:You have said this twice already, but the fact is that Mario was going no lower than #2, period. So this theory is irrelevent. The Texans were not going to risk dropping down too low to miss out on Williams. D'Brick was never on our radar.
And as far as YOUR assessment that Bush was the "consensus" #1.....wrong again. Half of the GM's in the league had Bush and Mario tied atop of their draft boards. 6 are ON RECORD as having Mario as their #1 guy.
I'll take the POTENTIAL NFL life span of a possible Hall of Fame defensive end over that of a possible Hall of Fame running back. I can't remember the last Super Bowl champion team that had the league's leading rusher, but I can remember the last Super Bowl champion team with a dominate defense and dominate pass rush. 13 weeks ago.....
TexanBorn51 said:Earl Campbell (Offensive Player of the year again while claiming the NFL MVP, by rushing for an NFL best 1,697 yards, while scoring 19 TDs) and the Oilers were only one game vs Steelers from the Super Bowl 1978. I know real close but not close enough but it was Houston.
El Amigo Invisible said:I can't believe someone took out a 25,000 dollar ad to draft VY. I guess I was not alone.
TexanBorn51 said:You see, even when the RB rushes that many yards goes to show you that Super Bowl is not guarnateed. There have been RB teams without all that rushing yardage per year and they made it. All this Bush draft hype could it then not be in the same category. Geez what is there that fans can really complain about when you have a running back (DD) that rushes for over 1000 yards per year and with a claimed OL that is weak and getting injured prone and QB ( Carr) one of the most sacked in the league and quess what DD still does it. Now that's a talented and determined running back. So I guess the moral to the story is the final winner at the end of the season is the team that is most balanced in all areas. The Texans will be more balanced than ever before but in the new system they must learn it and how long to learn it. It's here where they must win to win games.
thunderkyss said:1800 total yards from scrimmage his sophomore season with the Texans........ & that's in the NFL, on a bad team........ nothing against Reggie, but I think we got the man we need.
I hope you're right. The official word from the Texans is that is was a "football decision", meaning they thought Mario was the best pick for this team.dat_boy_yec said:I think the Bush camp would have come down a little bit had they kept negotiating. I think it was a matter of them wanting to get Williams and focusing on signing him.
HoneymoonIsOver said:And saying that Mario made those other 2 DL at NCState is ridiculous, they all helped each other and Lawson was voted team MVP by his own players.....that should tell you something in itself
doug from the woodlands
Mario Williams won the Governor's Award for team MVP, as the award is given to the player based on his ability, contributions, leadership and intangibles in helping the team to victory.
Manny Lawson was voted Most Valuable defensive lineman.