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State of the O-line

thunderkyss said:
& they have a better Center on the team in Mancz & Fulton.

I don't see how anyone can defend this coaching staff. Not Devlin, not O'Brien. It doesn't matter how many first or second round picks you don't have. It doesn't matter how much you didn't spend in FA. You have better talent on your roster & you still can't make obvious decisions .

Smartest guy in the room, short man syndrome, butt for a chin.... aaaaaarrrrgggghhh
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Martin is was always available last yr. That's about the best I can say about his play. It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if they drafted an OG like Lindstrom in the 2nd, and sign Brown in FA, then draft a guy like Scharping to play RT in the 3rd rd.
 
steelbtexan said:
Martin is was always available last yr. That's about the best I can say about his play. It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if they drafted an OG like Lindstrom in the 2nd, and sign Brown in FA, then draft a guy like Scharping to play RT in the 3rd rd.
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On 610 sports tonight , they said Martin was the 5th highest ranked center in the Texans division by PFF .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I know . They were saying he should be better , what happened ?
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How much of his play is related to the players on either side of him. The line has to play as a unit. If the entire line is playing like crap it is hard to get a good a handle on how good or bad each player on that line truly is. Not saying any one of them is great, but they all look worst than they would if they had quality play next to them.
 
Texas Jake said:
How much of his play is related to the players on either side of him. The line has to play as a unit. If the entire line is playing like crap it is hard to get a good a handle on how good or bad each player on that line truly is. Not saying any one of them is great, but they all look worst than they would if they had quality play next to them.
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I think this is part of it. But dream_team's post about widespread individual under-performance suggests to me that there's multiple factors at play. I think some of the things contributing to poor OLine play under BOB are 1. talent 2. continuity/turnover on the OLine 3. continuity/turnover at QB (blocking for Watson is a lot different than blocking for Osweiler/Savage, etc.) 4. scheme -- it's easier to block for a quick throw/timing offense than a deep route/long developing offense and 5. OLine coaching -- Devlin probably hasn't been doing the best job but I think he's being scapegoated on this MB as the main reason our OLine sucks. I think he's only one of the factors and the best OLine coach would have struggled when taking everything into account. Now that the QB turnover problem is fixed, we can at least have a consistent blocking scheme that is going to help. I'm hoping that together that BOB/Gaine can identify who they want to fit that scheme (Fulton might be the only keeper from last years haul). It's probably going to take a couple of years to get the guys they want but I'm hoping we'll see a big jump in OLine performance next year.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
On 610 sports tonight , they said Martin was the 5th highest ranked center in the Texans division by PFF .
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PFF also had JJo and Kjax as the best 2 corners in the AFCS, Desir was 3rd, Bouye was 4th, and D.J. Hayden was 5th.... Ramsey not even on the list.

We all(including myself) should really start treating PFF like Walter football as they have gone to ****. Guess that's what happens when you outsource all of your data finding to anyone willing to do it for next to nothing, whether they have actual football knowledge or not.
 
Shishkabob said:
PFF also had JJo and Kjax as the best 2 corners in the AFCS, Desir was 3rd, Bouye was 4th, and D.J. Hayden was 5th.... Ramsey not even on the list.

We all(including myself) should really start treating PFF like Walter football as they have gone to ****. Guess that's what happens when you outsource all of your data finding to anyone willing to do it for next to nothing, whether they have actual football knowledge or not.
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I don't take PFF as a single-source of truth. It's simply another data point, like all other stats. I think we can poll 100 guys, and 100 guys will agree that Jalen Ramsey is the best CB in the division.

But at the same time, we shouldn't dismiss it as total crap. These guys watch every players' every snap, and I'll value that more than someone making a judgement based off an "eye-test". Jalen is the best corner in the division, but him having an off year isn't really a big surprise. Alot of those guys on the Jags weren't playing very hard after mid-season when they knew they weren't going anywhere.
 
dream_team said:
I don't take PFF as a single-source of truth. It's simply another data point, like all other stats. I think we can poll 100 guys, and 100 guys will agree that Jalen Ramsey is the best CB in the division.

But at the same time, we shouldn't dismiss it as total crap. These guys watch every players' every snap, and I'll value that more than someone making a judgement based off an "eye-test". Jalen is the best corner in the division, but him having an off year isn't really a big surprise. Alot of those guys on the Jags weren't playing very hard after mid-season when they knew they weren't going anywhere.
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but it also matters who is watching every snap of every game, and their knowledge of the game. PFF is no longer a small group of guys compiling analytical data, they are now a huge company that tries to pump out as much "data" as possible to get people to pay for a subscription. They will take almost anyone willing to sit down and watch hours of tape for almost nothing to compile their data now. So you have no consistency from game to game, team to team, or player to player. Next how well do the people they are now hiring understand the game of football? Like I said they aren't paying these people much at all, so they aren't getting the cream of the crop, just some joe blows. Sure some probably understand different defensive concepts, blocking schemes, etc. but I would bet a lot don't. This is probably why PFF has been tripping over its own feet lately, they'll release different grades for the same player, rank them but then say their rankings are meaningless, etc. PFF has just become a joke recently, I use to be a huge fan of theirs but this ear especially I've seen enough from them to grow weary of their "grades", stats and analytics are great, but like you said they need context and just as important they needed consistency in how they are gathered, and PFF doesn't have that anymore
 
Shishkabob said:
but it also matters who is watching every snap of every game, and their knowledge of the game. PFF is no longer a small group of guys compiling analytical data, they are now a huge company that tries to pump out as much "data" as possible to get people to pay for a subscription. They will take almost anyone willing to sit down and watch hours of tape for almost nothing to compile their data now. So you have no consistency from game to game, team to team, or player to player. Next how well do the people they are now hiring understand the game of football? Like I said they aren't paying these people much at all, so they aren't getting the cream of the crop, just some joe blows. Sure some probably understand different defensive concepts, blocking schemes, etc. but I would bet a lot don't. This is probably why PFF has been tripping over its own feet lately, they'll release different grades for the same player, rank them but then say their rankings are meaningless, etc. PFF has just become a joke recently, I use to be a huge fan of theirs but this ear especially I've seen enough from them to grow weary of their "grades", stats and analytics are great, but like you said they need context and just as important they needed consistency in how they are gathered, and PFF doesn't have that anymore
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Thanks for the info. You seem to know more than I do on how they watch film and gather stats.

No stats are perfect. But until someone comes out with a better grading system, I’ll continue to use PFF. Because the other option is for me to watch every player and formulate my own opinions is not an option. :)
 
PFF is a source I use along with others as a guide and info; doesn't mean I take it as solid just informative. Inof from any source should be validated against other sources. While PFF has exploded I expect and hope at some point they will tighten down to provide better service.
 
zshawn10 said:
So this is bad:

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1094721678259769345
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Pro Football Focus‏Verified account@PFF
2018's highest-graded centers from the AFC South

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2:16 PM - 10 Feb 2019

Before the season began, I tried to prepare people for disappointment after his 2nd high ankle sprain/fracture. Then during games I was posting how badly he was playing while others insisted that he was playing well and was the Texans
best looking Olineman throughout the season.

Translation of tweet>>>>>>>>>>>Nick Martin was the 5th best of the centers in the AFC..........South. That would make him 5th center of only 4 teams included................a FAR 5th................essentially ranking at the level of backup in the AFC South..................
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Pro Football Focus‏Verified account@PFF
2018's highest-graded centers from the AFC South

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2:16 PM - 10 Feb 2019

Before the season began, I tried to prepare people for disappointment after his 2nd high ankle sprain/fracture. Then during games I was posting how badly he was playing while others insisted that he was playing well and was the Texans
best looking Olineman throughout the season.

Translation of tweet>>>>>>>>>>>Nick Martin was the 5th best of the centers in the AFC..........South. That would make him 5th center of only 4 teams included................a FAR 5th................essentially ranking at the level of backup in the AFC South..................
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I'm with you. My question is why did our coaches keep sending him out there.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Pro Football Focus‏Verified account@PFF
2018's highest-graded centers from the AFC South

DzE7kFOWwAADyM1.jpg

2:16 PM - 10 Feb 2019

Before the season began, I tried to prepare people for disappointment after his 2nd high ankle sprain/fracture. Then during games I was posting how badly he was playing while others insisted that he was playing well and was the Texans
best looking Olineman throughout the season.

Translation of tweet>>>>>>>>>>>Nick Martin was the 5th best of the centers in the AFC..........South. That would make him 5th center of only 4 teams included................a FAR 5th................essentially ranking at the level of backup in the AFC South..................
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According to PFF, Mancz had a 75.8 overall offensive grade, an 83.7 in pass blocking and 70.2 run blocking while taking 1,262 snaps at center in 2016.
Sure, he has some injury concerns, but that is the nature of the NFL beast.
 
Texansphan said:
According to PFF, Mancz had a 75.8 overall offensive grade, an 83.7 in pass blocking and 70.2 run blocking while taking 1,262 snaps at center in 2016.
Sure, he has some injury concerns, but that is the nature of the NFL beast.
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Some people in here are saying Mancz doesn’t get a lot of reps because coaches feel he’s injury prone. So instead, the coaches continue to play a guy that IS injured!?
 
No, they just want to keep running the guys like Martin and Griffin out there each week while hoping for better results. Same goes for last season....the best the right side looked was the starting duo of Mancz and Lamm. OB and Devlin couldn't have that under their watch, the moment Fulton was ready to go, sit Mancz and watch the right side regress once again. It's like, damn the results!!!! I just wonder how the tandem would've performed if they had been allowed to go as long as they could. Same goes for Griffin....the team missed a big chance to get both of the Jordan's better prepared for 2019. Instead, Griffin was the guy come hell or high water. Both Jordan's really looked like excellent draft picks when they had a chance to take the field.....I just don't think OB saw this or didn't want to look at the film.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
No, they just want to keep running the guys like Martin and Griffin out there each week while hoping for better results. Same goes for last season....the best the right side looked was the starting duo of Mancz and Lamm. OB and Devlin couldn't have that under their watch, the moment Fulton was ready to go, sit Mancz and watch the right side regress once again. It's like, damn the results!!!! I just wonder how the tandem would've performed if they had been allowed to go as long as they could. Same goes for Griffin....the team missed a big chance to get both of the Jordan's better prepared for 2019. Instead, Griffin was the guy come hell or high water. Both Jordan's really looked like excellent draft picks when they had a chance to take the field.....I just don't think OB saw this or didn't want to look at the film.
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Very fair criticisms
 
Texansphan said:
According to PFF, Mancz had a 75.8 overall offensive grade, an 83.7 in pass blocking and 70.2 run blocking while taking 1,262 snaps at center in 2016.
Sure, he has some injury concerns, but that is the nature of the NFL beast.
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Tex, would you happen to have a link that displays a breakdown of grades for all of our Linemen?
 
This has a lot of info:-
RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION
RK Team Adj. Line
Yards RB
Yards Power
Success Power
Rank Stuffed Stuffed
Rank 2nd Level
Yards 2nd Level
Rank Open Field
Yards Open Field
Rank Rank Sacks Adjusted
Sack Rate
1 LAR 5.49 5.00 68% 13 14.6% 2 1.58 1 0.84 16 6 33 5.4%
2 NO 5.19 4.60 70% 9 14.5% 1 1.29 14 0.77 21 3 20 4.4%
3 NE 5.03 4.24 58% 29 15.9% 4 1.19 21 0.64 25 1 21 3.8%
4 IND 4.83 4.55 59% 28 17.8% 9 1.34 6 0.74 22 2 18 4.0%
5 LAC 4.80 4.91 67% 18 18.4% 16 1.46 4 1.05 7 13 34 6.4%
6 DEN 4.75 4.88 71% 7 18.4% 14 1.42 5 1.01 10 11 34 6.3%
7 GB 4.71 4.70 65% 21 18.1% 12 1.49 2 0.80 20 21 53 7.9%
8 DAL 4.61 4.46 75% 3 17.9% 11 1.31 9 0.87 14 28 56 9.7%
9 BAL 4.61 4.53 78% 1 14.6% 3 1.32 7 0.67 24 8 32 6.1%
10 SF 4.56 4.84 68% 16 19.4% 18 1.46 3 1.13 5 22 48 8.0%
11 CAR 4.55 4.62 67% 18 17.0% 7 1.27 17 0.97 12 10 32 6.1%
12 SEA 4.50 4.64 71% 5 17.3% 8 1.30 11 0.85 15 30 51 10.4%
13 OAK 4.49 4.24 53% 31 17.9% 10 1.31 8 0.60 28 25 52 8.7%
14 MIA 4.46 4.79 62% 24 18.4% 15 1.30 10 1.03 8 31 52 10.5%
15 PIT 4.43 4.36 71% 5 15.9% 5 1.20 20 0.80 19 4 24 4.4%
16 KC 4.37 4.66 72% 4 18.1% 13 1.27 18 1.01 11 5 26 5.4%
17 TEN 4.33 4.24 67% 17 18.9% 17 1.15 24 0.83 17 29 47 10.2%
18 CLE 4.24 4.61 50% 32 23.1% 29 1.27 16 1.16 4 16 38 6.7%
19 DET 4.14 4.10 68% 14 21.8% 27 1.18 22 0.74 23 12 41 6.3%
20 PHI 4.14 4.12 62% 25 21.5% 26 1.28 15 0.61 27 17 40 6.7%
21 JAX 4.12 3.46 69% 12 19.5% 19 0.98 29 0.29 32 27 53 9.3%
22 CIN 4.10 4.61 71% 7 20.1% 20 1.30 12 1.19 3 19 37 7.0%
23 MIN 4.09 4.29 58% 30 21.5% 25 1.16 23 1.02 9 9 40 6.1%
24 ATL 4.08 4.59 60% 27 25.3% 31 1.29 13 1.31 2 14 42 6.6%
25 ARI 4.00 3.58 69% 10 16.5% 6 0.98 30 0.36 31 26 51 9.1%
26 WAS 3.96 4.16 76% 2 22.8% 28 1.24 19 0.93 13 24 44 8.5%
27 HOU 3.93 4.01 63% 23 20.4% 21 1.09 26 0.83 18 32 62 11.5%
28 CHI 3.91 3.83 67% 18 20.5% 22 0.96 31 0.63 26 7 33 6.0%
29 NYG 3.90 4.69 69% 10 20.9% 24 1.10 25 1.60 1 20 47 7.4%
30 BUF 3.89 3.53 68% 14 20.9% 23 0.92 32 0.43 30 23 41 8.0%
31 TB 3.78 3.55 64% 22 24.7% 30 1.06 27 0.49 29 15 41 6.6%
32 NYJ 3.59 4.05 61% 26 26.1% 32 1.05 28 1.06 6 18 37 6.7%
NFL 33 4.36 66% 33 19.3% 33 1.06 33 0.73 33 33 40 7.1%
The second table lists each team's Adjusted Line Yards in each direction listed in official NFL play-by-play, along with rank among the 32 teams, and the frequency with which they run to each direction. Numbers may not add up to 100% due to carries listed without direction. Certain teams may have abnormal splits because of specific official scorer tendencies.

Only five directions are listed because research so far shows no statistically significant difference between how well a team performs on runs listed middle, left guard, and right guard.

LEFT END LEFT TACKLE MID/GUARD RIGHT TACKLE RIGHT END
RK Team Carries Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank
1 LAR 371 7.3% 4.49 16 21.3% 6.24 1 44.7% 5.81 1 18.3% 4.73 9 8.4% 4.38 14
2 NO 387 8.3% 7.31 1 10.3% 3.83 23 53.2% 5.01 3 17.8% 5.09 5 9.8% 5.68 3
3 NE 389 11.6% 5.36 6 12.9% 4.21 16 57.3% 5.02 2 11.1% 6.15 1 7.2% 4.28 15
4 IND 348 12.4% 5.37 5 11.5% 5.39 3 58.0% 4.76 7 8.3% 3.96 23 9.8% 4.66 10
5 LAC 347 15.9% 5.58 4 11.8% 4.22 15 51.6% 4.48 12 11.2% 4.62 12 9.5% 6.09 2
6 DEN 358 10.1% 5.29 10 5.6% 3.57 27 64.2% 4.74 8 13.1% 4.53 13 7.0% 5.44 4
7 GB 282 20.6% 5.33 8 12.8% 4.01 18 44.0% 4.76 6 9.9% 4.77 7 12.8% 4.21 16
8 DAL 357 10.4% 5.06 13 16.5% 4.83 6 49.6% 4.62 10 12.6% 4.74 8 10.9% 3.67 25
9 BAL 369 4.3% 4.15 20 8.9% 3.93 21 69.6% 4.91 4 10.3% 4.27 18 6.8% 3.17 29
10 SF 372 11.3% 5.31 9 16.1% 4.56 8 43.8% 4.63 9 14.5% 3.59 26 14.0% 4.63 11
11 CAR 282 8.2% 5.21 12 9.6% 4.39 10 68.4% 4.48 13 8.5% 4.50 14 5.3% 4.91 9
12 SEA 451 13.1% 5.35 7 11.8% 3.42 30 57.4% 4.44 16 12.0% 4.47 15 5.8% 5.39 5
13 OAK 347 8.1% 4.37 17 14.4% 3.99 19 61.1% 4.79 5 12.1% 3.82 24 4.3% 4.06 17
14 MIA 320 6.6% 5.65 3 12.8% 4.71 7 62.8% 4.44 17 9.7% 3.79 25 7.8% 4.60 12
15 PIT 301 3.3% 5.24 11 8.0% 4.91 5 68.1% 4.16 24 14.3% 4.44 16 6.3% 6.32 1
16 KC 298 9.4% 2.67 30 8.7% 5.97 2 59.7% 4.29 20 9.4% 5.64 2 12.8% 3.95 19
17 TEN 375 10.9% 6.43 2 14.4% 3.93 22 54.1% 4.04 27 12.3% 3.59 27 8.0% 5.15 7
18 CLE 346 5.8% 4.88 15 13.9% 4.23 13 59.2% 4.47 14 16.8% 3.19 31 4.3% 4.40 13
19 DET 371 11.6% 4.30 18 17.5% 4.23 14 49.3% 4.37 18 15.1% 3.22 30 6.5% 4.00 18
20 PHI 349 19.5% 3.63 24 7.7% 1.98 32 52.4% 4.45 15 8.0% 4.15 21 12.3% 4.97 8
21 JAX 329 11.6% 3.25 25 7.3% 3.53 28 68.1% 4.30 19 4.6% 5.22 3 8.5% 3.80 24
22 CIN 308 7.8% 4.96 14 10.1% 3.43 29 64.0% 4.20 23 10.7% 4.85 6 7.5% 2.16 32
23 MIN 298 13.4% 3.79 23 17.4% 4.40 9 46.6% 4.11 26 12.8% 4.03 22 9.7% 3.95 20
24 ATL 300 23.0% 3.07 26 16.7% 3.98 20 32.0% 4.58 11 10.7% 5.11 4 17.7% 3.94 21
25 ARI 322 5.3% 3.83 22 6.8% 5.10 4 71.4% 4.03 28 10.9% 3.24 29 5.6% 3.86 23
26 WAS 329 18.8% 4.12 21 4.9% 3.79 24 43.8% 3.67 31 15.5% 4.66 11 17.0% 3.92 22
27 HOU 367 9.0% 2.86 29 11.2% 4.37 11 57.8% 4.27 21 15.0% 2.27 32 7.1% 5.36 6
28 CHI 370 10.0% 4.26 19 10.8% 4.04 17 60.0% 3.97 30 10.0% 4.21 19 8.9% 2.92 31
29 NYG 325 11.1% 3.00 28 11.7% 3.59 26 55.7% 4.00 29 13.5% 4.66 10 8.0% 3.65 26
30 BUF 350 7.1% 2.49 31 8.3% 3.13 31 66.9% 4.24 22 11.4% 3.51 28 6.3% 3.55 27
31 TB 296 9.5% 1.33 32 11.5% 3.78 25 64.5% 4.14 25 9.8% 4.20 20 4.7% 3.00 30
32 NYJ 356 13.8% 3.01 27 10.1% 4.36 12 53.4% 3.49 32 10.4% 4.39 17 12.4% 3.34 28
33 NFL 1000 10.8% 4.40 33 11.7% 4.28 33 56.6% 4.43 333 12.0% 4.25 33 8.8% 4.30 33

It's a bit messy so the link is worthwhile.
 
Wow ... What a massive undertaking .... thanks so much .... I didn't mean for you to go such great lengths ! The numbers surely do bare out what we see - week in and week out. The run game behind each tackle is extremely underwhelming. I still feel badly about the amount of work you did, but I greatly appreciate it. Thanks again ! I remember making this point last year or the year before, or the one before that ..... 2 things you will never hear in a season of Texan football ..... 1) "Boy, you could've driven a truck through that hole" .... or - 2) "Man, he had all day back there" !
 
This has a lot of info:-
RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION
RK Team Adj. Line
Yards RB
Yards Power
Success Power
Rank Stuffed Stuffed
Rank 2nd Level
Yards 2nd Level
Rank Open Field
Yards Open Field
Rank Rank Sacks Adjusted
Sack Rate
1 LAR 5.49 5.00 68% 13 14.6% 2 1.58 1 0.84 16 6 33 5.4%
2 NO 5.19 4.60 70% 9 14.5% 1 1.29 14 0.77 21 3 20 4.4%
3 NE 5.03 4.24 58% 29 15.9% 4 1.19 21 0.64 25 1 21 3.8%
4 IND 4.83 4.55 59% 28 17.8% 9 1.34 6 0.74 22 2 18 4.0%
5 LAC 4.80 4.91 67% 18 18.4% 16 1.46 4 1.05 7 13 34 6.4%
6 DEN 4.75 4.88 71% 7 18.4% 14 1.42 5 1.01 10 11 34 6.3%
7 GB 4.71 4.70 65% 21 18.1% 12 1.49 2 0.80 20 21 53 7.9%
8 DAL 4.61 4.46 75% 3 17.9% 11 1.31 9 0.87 14 28 56 9.7%
9 BAL 4.61 4.53 78% 1 14.6% 3 1.32 7 0.67 24 8 32 6.1%
10 SF 4.56 4.84 68% 16 19.4% 18 1.46 3 1.13 5 22 48 8.0%
11 CAR 4.55 4.62 67% 18 17.0% 7 1.27 17 0.97 12 10 32 6.1%
12 SEA 4.50 4.64 71% 5 17.3% 8 1.30 11 0.85 15 30 51 10.4%
13 OAK 4.49 4.24 53% 31 17.9% 10 1.31 8 0.60 28 25 52 8.7%
14 MIA 4.46 4.79 62% 24 18.4% 15 1.30 10 1.03 8 31 52 10.5%
15 PIT 4.43 4.36 71% 5 15.9% 5 1.20 20 0.80 19 4 24 4.4%
16 KC 4.37 4.66 72% 4 18.1% 13 1.27 18 1.01 11 5 26 5.4%
17 TEN 4.33 4.24 67% 17 18.9% 17 1.15 24 0.83 17 29 47 10.2%
18 CLE 4.24 4.61 50% 32 23.1% 29 1.27 16 1.16 4 16 38 6.7%
19 DET 4.14 4.10 68% 14 21.8% 27 1.18 22 0.74 23 12 41 6.3%
20 PHI 4.14 4.12 62% 25 21.5% 26 1.28 15 0.61 27 17 40 6.7%
21 JAX 4.12 3.46 69% 12 19.5% 19 0.98 29 0.29 32 27 53 9.3%
22 CIN 4.10 4.61 71% 7 20.1% 20 1.30 12 1.19 3 19 37 7.0%
23 MIN 4.09 4.29 58% 30 21.5% 25 1.16 23 1.02 9 9 40 6.1%
24 ATL 4.08 4.59 60% 27 25.3% 31 1.29 13 1.31 2 14 42 6.6%
25 ARI 4.00 3.58 69% 10 16.5% 6 0.98 30 0.36 31 26 51 9.1%
26 WAS 3.96 4.16 76% 2 22.8% 28 1.24 19 0.93 13 24 44 8.5%
27 HOU 3.93 4.01 63% 23 20.4% 21 1.09 26 0.83 18 32 62 11.5%
28 CHI 3.91 3.83 67% 18 20.5% 22 0.96 31 0.63 26 7 33 6.0%
29 NYG 3.90 4.69 69% 10 20.9% 24 1.10 25 1.60 1 20 47 7.4%
30 BUF 3.89 3.53 68% 14 20.9% 23 0.92 32 0.43 30 23 41 8.0%
31 TB 3.78 3.55 64% 22 24.7% 30 1.06 27 0.49 29 15 41 6.6%
32 NYJ 3.59 4.05 61% 26 26.1% 32 1.05 28 1.06 6 18 37 6.7%
NFL 33 4.36 66% 33 19.3% 33 1.06 33 0.73 33 33 40 7.1%
The second table lists each team's Adjusted Line Yards in each direction listed in official NFL play-by-play, along with rank among the 32 teams, and the frequency with which they run to each direction. Numbers may not add up to 100% due to carries listed without direction. Certain teams may have abnormal splits because of specific official scorer tendencies.

Only five directions are listed because research so far shows no statistically significant difference between how well a team performs on runs listed middle, left guard, and right guard.

LEFT END LEFT TACKLE MID/GUARD RIGHT TACKLE RIGHT END
RK Team Carries Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank
1 LAR 371 7.3% 4.49 16 21.3% 6.24 1 44.7% 5.81 1 18.3% 4.73 9 8.4% 4.38 14
2 NO 387 8.3% 7.31 1 10.3% 3.83 23 53.2% 5.01 3 17.8% 5.09 5 9.8% 5.68 3
3 NE 389 11.6% 5.36 6 12.9% 4.21 16 57.3% 5.02 2 11.1% 6.15 1 7.2% 4.28 15
4 IND 348 12.4% 5.37 5 11.5% 5.39 3 58.0% 4.76 7 8.3% 3.96 23 9.8% 4.66 10
5 LAC 347 15.9% 5.58 4 11.8% 4.22 15 51.6% 4.48 12 11.2% 4.62 12 9.5% 6.09 2
6 DEN 358 10.1% 5.29 10 5.6% 3.57 27 64.2% 4.74 8 13.1% 4.53 13 7.0% 5.44 4
7 GB 282 20.6% 5.33 8 12.8% 4.01 18 44.0% 4.76 6 9.9% 4.77 7 12.8% 4.21 16
8 DAL 357 10.4% 5.06 13 16.5% 4.83 6 49.6% 4.62 10 12.6% 4.74 8 10.9% 3.67 25
9 BAL 369 4.3% 4.15 20 8.9% 3.93 21 69.6% 4.91 4 10.3% 4.27 18 6.8% 3.17 29
10 SF 372 11.3% 5.31 9 16.1% 4.56 8 43.8% 4.63 9 14.5% 3.59 26 14.0% 4.63 11
11 CAR 282 8.2% 5.21 12 9.6% 4.39 10 68.4% 4.48 13 8.5% 4.50 14 5.3% 4.91 9
12 SEA 451 13.1% 5.35 7 11.8% 3.42 30 57.4% 4.44 16 12.0% 4.47 15 5.8% 5.39 5
13 OAK 347 8.1% 4.37 17 14.4% 3.99 19 61.1% 4.79 5 12.1% 3.82 24 4.3% 4.06 17
14 MIA 320 6.6% 5.65 3 12.8% 4.71 7 62.8% 4.44 17 9.7% 3.79 25 7.8% 4.60 12
15 PIT 301 3.3% 5.24 11 8.0% 4.91 5 68.1% 4.16 24 14.3% 4.44 16 6.3% 6.32 1
16 KC 298 9.4% 2.67 30 8.7% 5.97 2 59.7% 4.29 20 9.4% 5.64 2 12.8% 3.95 19
17 TEN 375 10.9% 6.43 2 14.4% 3.93 22 54.1% 4.04 27 12.3% 3.59 27 8.0% 5.15 7
18 CLE 346 5.8% 4.88 15 13.9% 4.23 13 59.2% 4.47 14 16.8% 3.19 31 4.3% 4.40 13
19 DET 371 11.6% 4.30 18 17.5% 4.23 14 49.3% 4.37 18 15.1% 3.22 30 6.5% 4.00 18
20 PHI 349 19.5% 3.63 24 7.7% 1.98 32 52.4% 4.45 15 8.0% 4.15 21 12.3% 4.97 8
21 JAX 329 11.6% 3.25 25 7.3% 3.53 28 68.1% 4.30 19 4.6% 5.22 3 8.5% 3.80 24
22 CIN 308 7.8% 4.96 14 10.1% 3.43 29 64.0% 4.20 23 10.7% 4.85 6 7.5% 2.16 32
23 MIN 298 13.4% 3.79 23 17.4% 4.40 9 46.6% 4.11 26 12.8% 4.03 22 9.7% 3.95 20
24 ATL 300 23.0% 3.07 26 16.7% 3.98 20 32.0% 4.58 11 10.7% 5.11 4 17.7% 3.94 21
25 ARI 322 5.3% 3.83 22 6.8% 5.10 4 71.4% 4.03 28 10.9% 3.24 29 5.6% 3.86 23
26 WAS 329 18.8% 4.12 21 4.9% 3.79 24 43.8% 3.67 31 15.5% 4.66 11 17.0% 3.92 22
27 HOU 367 9.0% 2.86 29 11.2% 4.37 11 57.8% 4.27 21 15.0% 2.27 32 7.1% 5.36 6
28 CHI 370 10.0% 4.26 19 10.8% 4.04 17 60.0% 3.97 30 10.0% 4.21 19 8.9% 2.92 31
29 NYG 325 11.1% 3.00 28 11.7% 3.59 26 55.7% 4.00 29 13.5% 4.66 10 8.0% 3.65 26
30 BUF 350 7.1% 2.49 31 8.3% 3.13 31 66.9% 4.24 22 11.4% 3.51 28 6.3% 3.55 27
31 TB 296 9.5% 1.33 32 11.5% 3.78 25 64.5% 4.14 25 9.8% 4.20 20 4.7% 3.00 30
32 NYJ 356 13.8% 3.01 27 10.1% 4.36 12 53.4% 3.49 32 10.4% 4.39 17 12.4% 3.34 28
33 NFL 1000 10.8% 4.40 33 11.7% 4.28 33 56.6% 4.43 333 12.0% 4.25 33 8.8% 4.30 33

It's a bit messy so the link is worthwhile.
justmy2cents said:
Wow ... What a massive undertaking .... thanks so much .... I didn't mean for you to go such great lengths ! The numbers surely do bare out what we see - week in and week out. The run game behind each tackle is extremely underwhelming. I still feel badly about the amount of work you did, but I greatly appreciate it. Thanks again ! I remember making this point last year or the year before, or the one before that ..... 2 things you will never hear in a season of Texan football ..... 1) "Boy, you could've driven a truck through that hole" .... or - 2) "Man, he had all day back there" !
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No problem - its amazing what you can do with a little c & p.
Looks like they had a little success with the run game which we noticed at one point, but pass pro needs resuscitation.
 
Texansphan said:
This has a lot of info:-
RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION
RK Team Adj. Line
Yards RB
Yards Power
Success Power
Rank Stuffed Stuffed
Rank 2nd Level
Yards 2nd Level
Rank Open Field
Yards Open Field
Rank Rank Sacks Adjusted
Sack Rate
1 LAR 5.49 5.00 68% 13 14.6% 2 1.58 1 0.84 16 6 33 5.4%
2 NO 5.19 4.60 70% 9 14.5% 1 1.29 14 0.77 21 3 20 4.4%
3 NE 5.03 4.24 58% 29 15.9% 4 1.19 21 0.64 25 1 21 3.8%
4 IND 4.83 4.55 59% 28 17.8% 9 1.34 6 0.74 22 2 18 4.0%
5 LAC 4.80 4.91 67% 18 18.4% 16 1.46 4 1.05 7 13 34 6.4%
6 DEN 4.75 4.88 71% 7 18.4% 14 1.42 5 1.01 10 11 34 6.3%
7 GB 4.71 4.70 65% 21 18.1% 12 1.49 2 0.80 20 21 53 7.9%
8 DAL 4.61 4.46 75% 3 17.9% 11 1.31 9 0.87 14 28 56 9.7%
9 BAL 4.61 4.53 78% 1 14.6% 3 1.32 7 0.67 24 8 32 6.1%
10 SF 4.56 4.84 68% 16 19.4% 18 1.46 3 1.13 5 22 48 8.0%
11 CAR 4.55 4.62 67% 18 17.0% 7 1.27 17 0.97 12 10 32 6.1%
12 SEA 4.50 4.64 71% 5 17.3% 8 1.30 11 0.85 15 30 51 10.4%
13 OAK 4.49 4.24 53% 31 17.9% 10 1.31 8 0.60 28 25 52 8.7%
14 MIA 4.46 4.79 62% 24 18.4% 15 1.30 10 1.03 8 31 52 10.5%
15 PIT 4.43 4.36 71% 5 15.9% 5 1.20 20 0.80 19 4 24 4.4%
16 KC 4.37 4.66 72% 4 18.1% 13 1.27 18 1.01 11 5 26 5.4%
17 TEN 4.33 4.24 67% 17 18.9% 17 1.15 24 0.83 17 29 47 10.2%
18 CLE 4.24 4.61 50% 32 23.1% 29 1.27 16 1.16 4 16 38 6.7%
19 DET 4.14 4.10 68% 14 21.8% 27 1.18 22 0.74 23 12 41 6.3%
20 PHI 4.14 4.12 62% 25 21.5% 26 1.28 15 0.61 27 17 40 6.7%
21 JAX 4.12 3.46 69% 12 19.5% 19 0.98 29 0.29 32 27 53 9.3%
22 CIN 4.10 4.61 71% 7 20.1% 20 1.30 12 1.19 3 19 37 7.0%
23 MIN 4.09 4.29 58% 30 21.5% 25 1.16 23 1.02 9 9 40 6.1%
24 ATL 4.08 4.59 60% 27 25.3% 31 1.29 13 1.31 2 14 42 6.6%
25 ARI 4.00 3.58 69% 10 16.5% 6 0.98 30 0.36 31 26 51 9.1%
26 WAS 3.96 4.16 76% 2 22.8% 28 1.24 19 0.93 13 24 44 8.5%
27 HOU 3.93 4.01 63% 23 20.4% 21 1.09 26 0.83 18 32 62 11.5%
28 CHI 3.91 3.83 67% 18 20.5% 22 0.96 31 0.63 26 7 33 6.0%
29 NYG 3.90 4.69 69% 10 20.9% 24 1.10 25 1.60 1 20 47 7.4%
30 BUF 3.89 3.53 68% 14 20.9% 23 0.92 32 0.43 30 23 41 8.0%
31 TB 3.78 3.55 64% 22 24.7% 30 1.06 27 0.49 29 15 41 6.6%
32 NYJ 3.59 4.05 61% 26 26.1% 32 1.05 28 1.06 6 18 37 6.7%
NFL 33 4.36 66% 33 19.3% 33 1.06 33 0.73 33 33 40 7.1%
The second table lists each team's Adjusted Line Yards in each direction listed in official NFL play-by-play, along with rank among the 32 teams, and the frequency with which they run to each direction. Numbers may not add up to 100% due to carries listed without direction. Certain teams may have abnormal splits because of specific official scorer tendencies.

Only five directions are listed because research so far shows no statistically significant difference between how well a team performs on runs listed middle, left guard, and right guard.

LEFT END LEFT TACKLE MID/GUARD RIGHT TACKLE RIGHT END
RK Team Carries Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank Freq ALY Rank
1 LAR 371 7.3% 4.49 16 21.3% 6.24 1 44.7% 5.81 1 18.3% 4.73 9 8.4% 4.38 14
2 NO 387 8.3% 7.31 1 10.3% 3.83 23 53.2% 5.01 3 17.8% 5.09 5 9.8% 5.68 3
3 NE 389 11.6% 5.36 6 12.9% 4.21 16 57.3% 5.02 2 11.1% 6.15 1 7.2% 4.28 15
4 IND 348 12.4% 5.37 5 11.5% 5.39 3 58.0% 4.76 7 8.3% 3.96 23 9.8% 4.66 10
5 LAC 347 15.9% 5.58 4 11.8% 4.22 15 51.6% 4.48 12 11.2% 4.62 12 9.5% 6.09 2
6 DEN 358 10.1% 5.29 10 5.6% 3.57 27 64.2% 4.74 8 13.1% 4.53 13 7.0% 5.44 4
7 GB 282 20.6% 5.33 8 12.8% 4.01 18 44.0% 4.76 6 9.9% 4.77 7 12.8% 4.21 16
8 DAL 357 10.4% 5.06 13 16.5% 4.83 6 49.6% 4.62 10 12.6% 4.74 8 10.9% 3.67 25
9 BAL 369 4.3% 4.15 20 8.9% 3.93 21 69.6% 4.91 4 10.3% 4.27 18 6.8% 3.17 29
10 SF 372 11.3% 5.31 9 16.1% 4.56 8 43.8% 4.63 9 14.5% 3.59 26 14.0% 4.63 11
11 CAR 282 8.2% 5.21 12 9.6% 4.39 10 68.4% 4.48 13 8.5% 4.50 14 5.3% 4.91 9
12 SEA 451 13.1% 5.35 7 11.8% 3.42 30 57.4% 4.44 16 12.0% 4.47 15 5.8% 5.39 5
13 OAK 347 8.1% 4.37 17 14.4% 3.99 19 61.1% 4.79 5 12.1% 3.82 24 4.3% 4.06 17
14 MIA 320 6.6% 5.65 3 12.8% 4.71 7 62.8% 4.44 17 9.7% 3.79 25 7.8% 4.60 12
15 PIT 301 3.3% 5.24 11 8.0% 4.91 5 68.1% 4.16 24 14.3% 4.44 16 6.3% 6.32 1
16 KC 298 9.4% 2.67 30 8.7% 5.97 2 59.7% 4.29 20 9.4% 5.64 2 12.8% 3.95 19
17 TEN 375 10.9% 6.43 2 14.4% 3.93 22 54.1% 4.04 27 12.3% 3.59 27 8.0% 5.15 7
18 CLE 346 5.8% 4.88 15 13.9% 4.23 13 59.2% 4.47 14 16.8% 3.19 31 4.3% 4.40 13
19 DET 371 11.6% 4.30 18 17.5% 4.23 14 49.3% 4.37 18 15.1% 3.22 30 6.5% 4.00 18
20 PHI 349 19.5% 3.63 24 7.7% 1.98 32 52.4% 4.45 15 8.0% 4.15 21 12.3% 4.97 8
21 JAX 329 11.6% 3.25 25 7.3% 3.53 28 68.1% 4.30 19 4.6% 5.22 3 8.5% 3.80 24
22 CIN 308 7.8% 4.96 14 10.1% 3.43 29 64.0% 4.20 23 10.7% 4.85 6 7.5% 2.16 32
23 MIN 298 13.4% 3.79 23 17.4% 4.40 9 46.6% 4.11 26 12.8% 4.03 22 9.7% 3.95 20
24 ATL 300 23.0% 3.07 26 16.7% 3.98 20 32.0% 4.58 11 10.7% 5.11 4 17.7% 3.94 21
25 ARI 322 5.3% 3.83 22 6.8% 5.10 4 71.4% 4.03 28 10.9% 3.24 29 5.6% 3.86 23
26 WAS 329 18.8% 4.12 21 4.9% 3.79 24 43.8% 3.67 31 15.5% 4.66 11 17.0% 3.92 22
27 HOU 367 9.0% 2.86 29 11.2% 4.37 11 57.8% 4.27 21 15.0% 2.27 32 7.1% 5.36 6
28 CHI 370 10.0% 4.26 19 10.8% 4.04 17 60.0% 3.97 30 10.0% 4.21 19 8.9% 2.92 31
29 NYG 325 11.1% 3.00 28 11.7% 3.59 26 55.7% 4.00 29 13.5% 4.66 10 8.0% 3.65 26
30 BUF 350 7.1% 2.49 31 8.3% 3.13 31 66.9% 4.24 22 11.4% 3.51 28 6.3% 3.55 27
31 TB 296 9.5% 1.33 32 11.5% 3.78 25 64.5% 4.14 25 9.8% 4.20 20 4.7% 3.00 30
32 NYJ 356 13.8% 3.01 27 10.1% 4.36 12 53.4% 3.49 32 10.4% 4.39 17 12.4% 3.34 28
33 NFL 1000 10.8% 4.40 33 11.7% 4.28 33 56.6% 4.43 333 12.0% 4.25 33 8.8% 4.30 33

It's a bit messy so the link is worthwhile.
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Too many numbers for my brain, but I think this post says the Texans OL sucked as bad as what my eyes told me. Thanks for the info, this really drives home the point.
 
steelbtexan said:
Too many numbers for my brain, but I think this post says the Texans OL sucked as bad as what my eyes told me. Thanks for the info, this really drives home the point.
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It is really hard to accurately analyze the talent on offense until you fix the o-line. For example, how good could are current stable of RBs be if the line could consistently open holes and push the line of scrimmage?
 
justmy2cents said:
Wow ... What a massive undertaking .... thanks so much .... I didn't mean for you to go such great lengths ! The numbers surely do bare out what we see - week in and week out. The run game behind each tackle is extremely underwhelming. I still feel badly about the amount of work you did, but I greatly appreciate it. Thanks again ! I remember making this point last year or the year before, or the one before that ..... 2 things you will never hear in a season of Texan football ..... 1) "Boy, you could've driven a truck through that hole" .... or - 2) "Man, he had all day back there" !
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Unless you are talking about the other team. :kitten:
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
You saw through my deceptions, you called it, I admit it, I lied about 50% of all offensive linemen drafted in the 1st round for the last 5 years being a bust (bust defined as having a career sort of like Xavier Su’a-Filo or worse).

The actual number is 43.3%.
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Well, don't let it happen again.
 
infantrycak said:
You can repeat all day and it's still false. At best it is 50% don't end up at their projected position. That is not synonymous with bust. There are very few can't find a home on the OL busts in the 1st.
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To one and all: I apologize for not responding to Infantry Cak's comments earlier, but things got really busy at the office and thus the delay.


Infantrycak:

You saw through my deceptions, you called it, I admit it, I lied about 50% of all offensive linemen drafted in the 1st round for the last 5 years being a bust (bust defined as having a career sort of like Xavier Su’a-Filo or worse).

The actual number is 43.3%.

I want to officially apologize for not being more accurate in my earlier statements of facts.

Of course as you have pointed out, how do you that I am telling the truth? How do you know I am not just "repeat (the same BS) all day and it's still false" as you claimed. The answer is that basic math does not lie, so let us examining the math.

Note: This post is going to be very long, If I exceed the word count limit, I will continue it on a second page.

In the last 5 years (2013 thru 2017), 30 offensive linemen have been selected in the 1st round (Note: I did not use 2018, I felt that one year was not enough time to do an accurate assessment). The question is, how do you do you grade their performances.

I decided to use the FF (Football Focus) grading data. Some may say the FF grading is inaccurate on a game to game basis. But over the years, the FF data base builds up enough statistical repeatability that the FF game by game inaccuracies get leveled out, so the FF career grades should a very good assessments of the various players abilities.

So how did I use the FF data?

I am going to use Duane Brown as my "Calculation Example".

The basic career FF grades for Offensive linemen look like this:



I used the "Total Offensive Grade per Year" as my basic input. In FF, the "Total Offensive Grade per Year" for Offensive Linemen, is a combination of how well an offensive line both pass blocked and run blocked, compared to an average offensive linemen, for that particular season. In FF grading "100" is a perfect grade (never given), and "0" is the worst grade. Note Infantry Cak: these values are NOT position dependent. If you play guard, center or tackle; you get graded against the other guards, centers, or tackles.

I also used also used as basic input: "Snaps per Year" and "Years Played".

Taking these basic inputs did my analysis like this:



I took the "Total Offensive Grade per Year"(A) and multiplied it by the "Snaps per Year" (B) to generate (C) . I then summed up (C) to get"Total FF Offensive Grade per Snap" (E) for each players career. For Duane Brown the "Total FF Offensive Grade per Snap" value was "865695".

I needed some way to compare the players who had played a long time players that had only played a few seasons. So I took the "Total FF Offensive Grade per Snap" (E) value, and divided it by the "Years Played" (F).



This gave me a value I called "Total FF Offensive Grade Per Snap/Years".

The derived "Total FF Offensive Grade Per Snap/Years" is a valid grade for an NFL Offensive Linemen's career performance. It removes the bias of the length of career, it gives value to the number of snaps a player plays per year, and gives value for the FF "Total Offensive Grade per Year".

Duane Brown's "Total FF Offensive Grade per Snap/Years" value was "78700".

The raw data and the calculated numbers, for the 1st Round Offensive Linemen drafted between 2009 and 2018 (10 years) look like this:



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infantrycak said:
You can repeat all day and it's still false. At best it is 50% don't end up at their projected position. That is not synonymous with bust. There are very few can't find a home on the OL busts in the 1st.
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Continued from post 1


So how does this look in a statistical Histogram (for the statistical work I did not use 2018 because one year of data was not enough to be meaningful ).

The Raw data for 2009 thru 2017 (9 years) looks like this:



When you break it into grading ranges you get:



Which gives you grading ranges of:


How does valid does this look if you put some test performance values into these scales (I chose some test performances that everyone is familiar with) :

Xavier Su’a-Filo came out as a (D-) and Duane Brown came in as a (A-). My opinion is that these are accurate grades (Some I am sure, would say that Xavier Su’a-Filo's grade was wildly optimistic).

In the last 5 years (2013 thru 2017) the college spread offenses have taken a toll on the NFL scouting department's ability to evaluate offensive linemen that have been drafted in the 1st Round.

In the NFL drafts in 2013 thru 2017, 30 Offensive linemen have been selected. Based on this grading system 13 of those 30 have a "Total FF Offensive Grade Per Snap/Years" value of "54800" or less which gives them a grade of (D) or (F), which in my opinion makes them a 1st round BUST. Let me again emphasize, these grades are NOT position dependent.

The percentage of these 13 busts of the 30 linemen selected, is 43.3%. Which I quoted at the beginning of this post.

If you would like to look at the careers of the 13 I have graded as busts, some of the names are:





While as some of the 13 are better than others. We would still be just arguing over "Who is the Tallest Midget" (excuse me I meant to say "Little Person"). None of these O-linemen are a Duane Brown, or even close.

So in summary:

As I said in previous post "Picking an Offensive Linemen in the 1st Round is a Crap shoot". The Texans odds are a little better than 50% of finding a solid dependable OT (or any other O-Line position).

The odds of finding another Duane Brown with the 23rd pick are much worse than 50/50.

Those are the facts. So I will repeat those facts all day, and they will still be TRUE.

Feel free to respond.
 
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infantrycak said:
You can repeat all day and it's still false. At best it is 50% don't end up at their projected position. That is not synonymous with bust. There are very few can't find a home on the OL busts in the 1st.
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If there is anyone out there that can clue me in on how to get an image to copy into a post from your computer, I would be very grateful.

My big post above would actually mean something with the images attached.

AggiebyMarriage
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
If there is anyone out there that can clue me in on how to get an image to copy into a post from your computer, I would be very grateful.
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Your image needs to be hosted somewhere. There are a number of free image hosts around. I use imgbb.com. Once you upload it will give you an address you can use for posting. The image posting looks like a little picture of a mountain.

Can't see much to respond without the images. I can note as a matter of basic math you don't get "per snap" anything by multiplying by the total number of snaps.
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
If there is anyone out there that can clue me in on how to get an image to copy into a post from your computer, I would be very grateful.

My big post above would actually mean something with the images attached.

AggiebyMarriage
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Click on 'more options' in bottom right of your reply screen. It opens a new screen with 'upload a file' at the bottom. Click this and a pop up comes up with a 'choose file' button. Click this and search your computer for the image and select it by pressing 'open'. The pic will then show up below the 'upload a file' button and you need to select 'thumbnail' or 'full image'. I always select full image and when you press this button it will insert the pic where your cursor is in the text you're typing. If it's too big or too small, resize it before uploading. Then just press 'reply to thread' and the pic will be included.
 
Max said:
Click on 'more options' in bottom right of your reply screen. It opens a new screen with 'upload a file' at the bottom. Click this and a pop up comes up with a 'choose file' button. Click this and search your computer for the image and select it by pressing 'open'. The pic will then show up below the 'upload a file' button and you need to select 'thumbnail' or 'full image'. I always select full image and when you press this button it will insert the pic where your cursor is in the text you're typing. If it's too big or too small, resize it before uploading. Then just press 'reply to thread' and the pic will be included.
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Interesting, that didn't use to work. Thx
 
Max said:
Click on 'more options' in bottom right of your reply screen. It opens a new screen with 'upload a file' at the bottom. Click this and a pop up comes up with a 'choose file' button. Click this and search your computer for the image and select it by pressing 'open'. The pic will then show up below the 'upload a file' button and you need to select 'thumbnail' or 'full image'. I always select full image and when you press this button it will insert the pic where your cursor is in the text you're typing. If it's too big or too small, resize it before uploading. Then just press 'reply to thread' and the pic will be included.
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infantrycak said:
Your image needs to be hosted somewhere. There are a number of free image hosts around. I use imgbb.com. Once you upload it will give you an address you can use for posting. The image posting looks like a little picture of a mountain.

Can't see much to respond without the images. I can note as a matter of basic math you don't get "per snap" anything by multiplying by the total number of snaps.
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Thank you Infantry Cak, I appreciate the response. My son actually pointed me to that same site. Now you have some data to chew on.
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
Thank you Infantry Cak, I appreciate the response. My son actually pointed me to that same site. Now you have some data to chew on.
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AggiebyMarriage said:
Continued from post 1


So how does this look in a statistical Histogram (for the statistical work I did not use 2018 because one year of data was not enough to be meaningful ).

The Raw data for 2009 thru 2017 (9 years) looks like this:



When you break it into grading ranges you get:



Which gives you grading ranges of:


How does valid does this look if you put some test performance values into these scales (I chose some test performances that everyone is familiar with) :

Xavier Su’a-Filo came out as a (D-) and Duane Brown came in as a (A-). My opinion is that these are accurate grades (Some I am sure, would say that Xavier Su’a-Filo's grade was wildly optimistic).

In the last 5 years (2013 thru 2017) the college spread offenses have taken a toll on the NFL scouting department's ability to evaluate offensive linemen that have been drafted in the 1st Round.

In the NFL drafts in 2013 thru 2017, 30 Offensive linemen have been selected. Based on this grading system 13 of those 30 have a "Total FF Offensive Grade Per Snap/Years" value of "54800" or less which gives them a grade of (D) or (F), which in my opinion makes them a 1st round BUST. Let me again emphasize, these grades are NOT position dependent.

The percentage of these 13 busts of the 30 linemen selected, is 43.3%. Which I quoted at the beginning of this post.

If you would like to look at the careers of the 13 I have graded as busts, some of the names are:





While as some of the 13 are better than others. We would still be just arguing over "Who is the Tallest Midget" (excuse me I meant to say "Little Person"). None of these O-linemen are a Duane Brown, or even close.

So in summary:

As I said in previous post "Picking an Offensive Linemen in the 1st Round is a Crap shoot". The Texans odds are a little better than 50% of finding a solid dependable OT (or any other O-Line position).

The odds of finding another Duane Brown with the 23rd pick are much worse than 50/50.

Those are the facts. So I will repeat those facts all day, and they will still be TRUE.

Feel free to respond.
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If anyone wants the spreadsheets I used to generate this post. Message me and we can work out a transfer of data.
 
TexansFan15 said:
Question to consider: would y’all consider signing Matt Paradis as a FA? Yes he’s coming off injury, but Martin has yet to shine since we drafted him.

I think he might be worth the risk.
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Yes, definitely! He’s one of the top centers in FB and i dont think a fractured fibula should yield on going issues for him (CND would certainly know better). I’m a ND fan and Martin was a really good G there. I’d like to see him moved to G playing next to a top flight center. An interior of Martin Paradis and Rankin has the potential to be really good IMHO
 
otisbean said:
Yes, definitely! He’s one of the top centers in FB and i dont think a fractured fibula should yield on going issues for him (CND would certainly know better). I’m a ND fan and Martin was a really good G there. I’d like to see him moved to G playing next to a top flight center. An interior of Martin Paradis and Rankin has the potential to be really good IMHO
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I'd like to see Paradis (If signed) flanked by LG, Rankin and RG, Mancz.
 
otisbean said:
I’d be fine with that, however i think Martin will be a much better G than C. I think his injuries have robbed him of the necessary athleticism required for the C position.
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Martin could play out his contract as a veteran C/G backup....not what he was drafted to do but injuries have made him exactly that. I'd trade him if there was any chance to get a RD5 at best for him.
 
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otisbean said:
Yes, definitely! He’s one of the top centers in FB and i dont think a fractured fibula should yield on going issues for him (CND would certainly know better). I’m a ND fan and Martin was a really good G there. I’d like to see him moved to G playing next to a top flight center. An interior of Martin Paradis and Rankin has the potential to be really good IMHO
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Do you think Denver will let him hit FA?
 
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