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Does this win feel more like a loss?

NastyNate

NastyNate

I go kerplunk
I might be the only one, and if so my apologies. But I can't help but feel like this win just gives Obrien a small chance of sticking. Winning in overtime against an awful coaching decision in a game we should have essentially tied is nothing to celebrate. And in all honesty with the defensive scheme in the second half, we were beyond lucky to steal one. The offensive scheme is still awful. Obrien is in over his head. I would much prefer he stays on the hot seat. This just makes success so much further away. Thoughts?
 
Look I hate OB as much as the next guy, but I never want a loss. Plus McNair won't get rid of OB that easily. Which in a way is a good thing, look at teams who get a new head coach every other year. For the most part they never get much better.
 
NastyNate said:
Winning in overtime against an awful coaching decision in a game we should have essentially tied is nothing to celebrate.
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I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't feel that Frank Reich's decision to go for it was an "awful coaching decision". I actually admire him for making that decision because he is truly playing to win as opposed to playing to not lose. We've seen enough ties this year in the NFL already and on top of that the Texans' secondary has been burned so much this season already. I think it was a good risk on his part that didn't pay off.
 
I completely understand your thinking. I've flirted with hoping for failure to induce change as well (as we all have). I can't bring it out to actually hope for a loss though (because my family are hardcore fans and I want wins for them). O'Brien has proven himself incapable, the results will speak for themselves. If he's here next season, it's not a team worth watching.

Meant to quote Nate.
 
If you want a W on paper, it's just that -- a W. If you want a team playing like a team that can make a playoff run -- we're far short of that and in that sense it's a L. Granted, you do need the W's on paper to ever get to the latter.
 
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The Texans could be undefeated right now and some folks would still be
tripping....”but they didn’t dominate them so everybody sux!”

Fact of the matter is sometimes it’s good to be lucky instead of good.
 
Mr teX said:
The Texans could be undefeated right now and some folks would still be
tripping....”but they didn’t dominate them so everybody sux!”

Fact of the matter is sometimes it’s good to be lucky instead of good.
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What do you do when your head coach is consistently unlucky?
 
Not a loss, but a 'face-palm' win. I said it in the gameday thread, this felt like the 2005 'suck for the #1 pick' last game where each team did their best to throw the game away ... we "won" by missing the final fieldgoal.
 
If two teams have the same number of wins but one has fewer losses by virtue of recording a tie, doesn't the team with the tie have the superior record and
if so then clearly a tie can have value ?
 
was beginning to wonder if anyone would start thread about improvements in team and this one is good enough. Same with game IMO. I don't like sloppy Ws but this was better than that. Sure we can sit here and whine over negatives but I'd rather discuss negatives and ways team will get better. Offense reversed themselves starting off first half pretty much ready to play not so for defense. Watt and Clowney had good games and gave me hope going forward that if one gets injured the other will keep defense going. Watt still looked way out of shape. Is he allowed to carry an oxygen bottle on field? Joseph got hurt and slowed him, Colvin out for season so..KJ back to corner or does either Bademosi or Kayvon Webster get a shot? Reid did look sort of good so I'm guessing Jackson back to corner. What happened to our defensive line inside guys? Crennel needs to impress much more next week. With Ellington out good to see Coutee proving he can be a solid option for Watson.

If Texans beat Dallas, OBrien is safe for few more games.
 
HouTx11 said:
I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't feel that Frank Reich's decision to go for it was an "awful coaching decision". I actually admire him for making that decision because he is truly playing to win as opposed to playing to not lose. We've seen enough ties this year in the NFL already and on top of that the Texans' secondary has been burned so much this season already. I think it was a good risk on his part that didn't pay off.
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Swap roles for a minute and imagine is in that spot and settles for a tie rather than going for it, he'd get slaughtered on here. I'm with you and Reich, a tie is no good to a team with a losing record there, you have to trust your QB.
 
EllisUnit said:
Look I hate OB as much as the next guy, but I never want a loss. Plus McNair won't get rid of OB that easily. Which in a way is a good thing, look at teams who get a new head coach every other year. For the most part they never get much better.
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I think there is a greater chance of success by trying a new coach instead of sticking with someone who has proven their ceiling is 9-7 in a bad division. Here are a few "new" head coaches who took their teams to an AFC/NFC championship game in the same amount of time, or less, than O'Brien has already had-
Jon Gruden, Andy Reid, John Fox, Jim Mora, Lovie Smith, Tom Coflin, Mike McCarthy, Ken Whisenhunt, Sean Payton, Brad Childers, Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carol, Bruce Arians, Dan Quinn, Bill Callahan, Tony Dungy, Norv Turner, John Harbaugh, Jim Caldwell, Rex Ryan, Mike Tomlin, John Fox etc... etc...
I think those teams were smart to try a new coach instead of giving a loser a 4 year extension.
 
markn said:
Swap roles for a minute and imagine is in that spot and settles for a tie rather than going for it, he'd get slaughtered on here. I'm with you and Reich, a tie is no good to a team with a losing record there, you have to trust your QB.
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Depends on what OB did with the chance......

We both know 90% chance he would just run it up the middle on 4th and 9.

Im all for a coach having the balls to take risks win or lose... as long as they aren't STUPID risks. Id certainly prefer a coach that plays to win, not tuck tail and hope a lead holds.
 
I expected us to lose this game and we had to get a TD from the defense, a risky move from the opposing coach (that didn't pay off... this time), to get a win in OT. So we're 1-3 going into the Dallas game. I still think we have just as much chance of shitting the bed next week as we do getting out with a win and I still think the city goes completely ape-**** if we lose that game.

I never want to see them lose and a win is a win no matter how it happens but to me most of the Texans games feel like losses regardless of the outcome. That's just their brand of football. Since 2014 it's been an endless streak of either boneheaded calls and flat losses or wins that felt like we just got lucky and barely slipped by the other team.

As someone already pointed out the Texans been doing that longer than O'Brain has been here. He just does it with such style!
 
If OB gets a 4 year extension after a 4 win season, what makes you think losing more changes anything?
OB will be gone because he does OB things, and McNair will eventually get around to making a change....someday.....maybe.

But you ALWAYS want the team to win. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but you always want it.
 
NastyNate said:
I might be the only one, and if so my apologies. But I can't help but feel like this win just gives Obrien a small chance of sticking. Winning in overtime against an awful coaching decision in a game we should have essentially tied is nothing to celebrate. And in all honesty with the defensive scheme in the second half, we were beyond lucky to steal one. The offensive scheme is still awful. Obrien is in over his head. I would much prefer he stays on the hot seat. This just makes success so much further away. Thoughts?
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Sure, it was not a convincing win but then again, we seem to lose a lot of close score games - against good teams.
You gotta learn to accept the good with the bad.
 
Texansphan said:
Sure, it was not a convincing win but then again, we seem to lose a lot of close score games - against good teams.
You gotta learn to accept the good with the bad.
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Good teams find ways to win close games. Bad teams find ways to lose them. Unfortunately there's no column for "almost winning".
 
Almost, but hell no, not really. If anything we avoided being a backup QB's *****. This means we won't be the lions, that's a win.
 
Yes it does feel like a loss. If Luck connects on that pass we lose. Hell I would have gone for it on fourth down instead of kicking the FG if I were them.

Once again we only play one half of good football. Nothing changed this week except for a fluke win. Don’t expect it to continue.
 
I hate to say it but I was hoping they would find a way to lose …. cause I think its gonna take something along the lines of 4-12 or worse to get rid of OB. Otherwise I think he sticks around because of that fat extension he was given and we have to suffer thru another season of this stupidity …. I dunno if Watson can survive a 3rd season of the worst OL in the league.

Top that off with the fact that they aint gonna make the playoffs , they may as well have a top draft spot to show for it ….


I really cant stand OB.
 
I think we'll beat the Cowboys to reach 2-3.
But after that we could be back to our losing ways.

Unless our offensive line continues to improve...
That's the key to turning our season around.

Benching Davenport made a noticeable difference.
Kendall Lamm played his ass off before he got hurt.
Lamm left the game with a sore shoulder so we'll see.
Hopefully he'll be ready to play on Sunday Night.

In fact, I'm watching the tape right now...
Kendall Lamm is looking like an All Pro on quite a few blocks.

Just a night and day difference from the crappy Davenport.
 
It felt like a loss to me. Sure they stayed in it and fought hard and credit to several guys that made the big plays, but it also felt like they did everything possible to lose the game as well. There is no excuse what so ever to have such a pathetic defense this season. The running game and the Line issues were a given based on the personnel, but this defense is atrocious. The coaching has been atrocious. It felt like a loss, but I'm glad they won the game.
 
We won. We did not lose, we did not tie, we won. We may have won poorly, we may have looked like total dogsh!t, but we did not lose. There is a ******* difference.

For some reason this thread aggravates me to no end. idonno:
 
If you are saying this game felt like a loss, then you also agree with "moral" victories. If not its pretty hypocritical of you.

but yea after seeing our team come up with new ways to lose for so long, and gift other teams wins that we should have had, I will not complain when the coin flips our way for once.
 
Put some more sprinkles on that dog turd! Some Sunshine Pumper will try to convince you that it's a delicious brownie.

The 2018 Texans is garbage. Certainly some good players on the roster, but as a team from this coaching staff and front office, this is garbage. Barely beating a shitty Colts team in OT is grasping for something to celebrate.

Enjoy your 6-10 season, Texans fans. "There's always next year". :koolaid::texflag::rake:
 
Winning begets winning. If we win next week, it started yesterday. If we lose, yesterday was an empty win.

Normally I wouldn't put so much emphasis on one game (next week) but we've lost three of the last 4, we've got to win next week if there's any hope of saving this season.
 
thunderkyss said:
Winning begets winning. If we win next week, it started yesterday. If we lose, yesterday was an empty win.

Normally I wouldn't put so much emphasis on one game (next week) but we've lost three of the last 4, we've got to win next week if there's any hope of saving this season.
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What's the point of saving the season when doing so just extends our misery.

Say they finish 7-9 or 6-10 …. OB will return next year and we're right back where we started. Making questionable game decisions , throwing away W's and damaging our franchise QB's development.


Every game they win this season is a loss if it means OB returns in 2019.


2-14 to 4-12 and ridding ourselves of this clown of a coach …. that's winning..
 
thunderkyss said:
Winning begets winning. If we win next week, it started yesterday. If we lose, yesterday was an empty win.

Normally I wouldn't put so much emphasis on one game (next week) but we've lost three of the last 4, we've got to win next week if there's any hope of saving this season.
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If you can watch the product on the field in 2018, and think that anywhere in the jumble of inept suckitude there's a winning team in there, I have some beachfront land to sell you.
 
NastyNate said:
If you can watch the product on the field in 2018, and think that anywhere in the jumble of inept suckitude there's a winning team in there, I have some beachfront land to sell you.
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Aside from the obvious coaching ineptitude , I think they are competent everywhere accept the secondary and offensive line. They can make a leap next season with the right additions to the coaching staff , offensive line and cornerback spots.

Clowney , Watt , Mercilus , Reader , Covington & Ejiofor are solid up front. McKinney and Cunningham aren't terrible …. but the corner spot was thin on opening day and is since thinner.

Watson , DHop , Fuller and Coutee are a strong group - Blue and Miller are at least serviceable.
Griffin is serviceable , Akins and Thomas are unknonws …..

Special teams don't always look like a Special Ed class …. unless OB falls asleep on a fake punt.

That OL is abysmal …. the leagues worst for a second consecutive year.


There's a competent team in there …. OB just isn't the guy to get it out of them.
 
Mr teX said:
The Texans could be undefeated right now and some folks would still be
tripping....”but they didn’t dominate them so everybody sux!”

Fact of the matter is sometimes it’s good to be lucky instead of good.
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Gross. Screw this coach. If you can’t look past your steel blue colored glasses and see this coaches deficiencies that’s your problem. This stubborn Arrogant POS can’t get out of his own way. During the off-season he changes the offense that was working perfectly back to HIS vision of what the offense should be. You know the one that has never been great under his tutelage. It took him three games, three losses to finally go back to what was working.

You would think that would be enough for anyone to get it. NOPE! Not this numbskull! After building a lead he reverts right back allowing the colts to almost come back and win the game.

That’s not being negative that’s being aware. I have LESS THAN ZERO confidence in this jack wagon. He doesn’t learn from his mistakes. He’s so stuck in his ways it’s soul crushing. I hope we lose until McNair opens his eyes and realizes what everyone who’s not a fanboy realizes. This is not the coach for this team if you really want to win.
 
Corrosion said:
Aside from the obvious coaching ineptitude , I think they are competent everywhere accept the secondary and offensive line. They can make a leap next season with the right additions to the coaching staff , offensive line and cornerback spots.

Clowney , Watt , Mercilus , Reader , Covington & Ejiofor are solid up front. McKinney and Cunningham aren't terrible …. but the corner spot was thin on opening day and is since thinner.

Watson , DHop , Fuller and Coutee are a strong group - Blue and Miller are at least serviceable.
Griffin is serviceable , Akins and Thomas are unknonws …..

Special teams don't always look like a Special Ed class …. unless OB falls asleep on a fake punt.

That OL is abysmal …. the leagues worst for a second consecutive year.


There's a competent team in there …. OB just isn't the guy to get it out of them.
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Not the personnel, the product. And that's OB's product. O-line, CB, and RB are massive positions of need. But we could still work with what we've got if our coach could do just that, coach.
 
mussop said:
Gross. Screw this coach. If you can’t look past your steel blue colored glasses and see this coaches deficiencies that’s your problem. This stubborn Arrogant POS can’t get out of his own way. During the off-season he changes the offense that was working perfectly back to HIS vision of what the offense should be. You know the one that has never been great under his tutelage. It took him three games, three losses to finally go back to what was working.

You would think that would be enough for anyone to get it. NOPE! Not this numbskull! After building a lead he reverts right back allowing the colts to almost come back and win the game.

That’s not being negative that’s being aware. I have LESS THAN ZERO confidence in this jack wagon. He doesn’t learn from his mistakes. He’s so stuck in his ways it’s soul crushing. I hope we lose until McNair opens his eyes and realizes what everyone who’s not a fanboy realizes. This is not the coach for this team if you really want to win.
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Uh huh...tell us more Vince Lombardi.
 
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