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Yes, I'm agreeing with Sherman's argument.

Suppose we (you and I) just differ in that I don't care if there are sexually suggestive cheerleaders or players celebrating in a similar silly way. But ultimately if there can be one then there should be the other, that's all.

Sorry I have missed your point. Are you actually offended by cheerleaders?
 
Well, if any of them cheerleaders score a touchdown, well, they can't twerk or whatever either.
And if Antonio Brown wants to wear a low cut cheerleader outfit on the sidelines, he can twerk to his hearts desire.

I don't see a double standard.
 
Thing is, she is getting paid by an NFL team to do this. Antonio Brown ain't. Gotta do what the boss says, ya know, either that or look for a different gig.

I really just wanted to post this again.
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Thing is, she is getting paid by an NFL team to do this. Antonio Brown ain't. Gotta do what the boss says, ya know, either that or look for a different gig.

I really just wanted to post this again.
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Most if not all NFL cheerleaders are volunteer or if not get something nominal like $150 per game. They are professional cheerleaders only in the sense they cheer for a pro team.

Had a law clerk one time who had been a Dallas Cowboys then Houston Oilers cheerleader and was at the time a Rocket Power Dancer. Yes it was distracting. Every damn lawyer in the office was coming by to take her to lunch. She happened to be a very good law clerk and went on to become a lawyer.

She was actually pissed when the Rockets owner's wife started to get involved and 'clean up' their uniforms and dances.
 
Not a good football week so far. First, the Texans game on MNF was SMH, and I didn't think a game could get any worse. Well, the Titans/Jaguars game IMO was actually worse, and my biggest worry now is what if the Cowboys close out the week in similar fashion. I'm scared!
 
Aaah memories. Shouldn't have happened , too small, too slow ,...almost always carries the ball left hand whatever the coaches tell him ... but look at how he works the right :

 
Most if not all NFL cheerleaders are volunteer or if not get something nominal like $150 per game. They are professional cheerleaders only in the sense they cheer for a pro team.

You are correct, the cheerleaders make the majority of their money by appearing at charity events and golf tournaments and stuff - appearance fees. So, being a cheerleader can be somewhat lucrative. An organization I am involved with does a charity event and some of the Texans cheerleaders get hired to work it. No idea how much they get paid.

They still fit the bill of "professional" cheerleader rather than volunteer cheerleader. And after the Raiders lawsuit, I think the teams have to pay them at least minimum wage, but I could be wrong.

Even though they are "volunteers" they still have to get selected and then maintain their spots by doing what the organization expects. Same with the players. If the NFL doesn't want twerking players and extensive touchdown celebrations, so be it. And if they want cheerleaders with jiggling jugs, so be that too.
 
I don’t know how you somehow thought I was denigrating the cheerleaders To the contrary I was trying to say they do this because they want to. We have at least one cheerleader MB member and her husband. Beautiful people when I've met them.
 
I guess we aren't on the same page. I didn't think you were speaking badly of cheerleaders at all. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
The Jags' HC has decided not to fire himself after their catastrophic half season.............instead he has offered up offensive coordinator Greg Olson to the football gods...........he's been replaced by Nathaniel Hackett.............yes, the same Jags' former quarterbacks coach who is responsible for the great job he's done with Bortles.:kubepalm:
 
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The Jags UDFA OT broke his right thumb in August and underwent surgical repair. Today he has begun practicing as the IR designated to return player.
 
First, Wade Phillips gets bowled over on he sideline. Now Monday night, during a punt in the Bears-Vikings game, head linesman Ed Walker was carted off the field...............he has sustained a torn quadriceps tendon.
 
Norv hanging it up?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...s-as-vikings-offensive-coordinator/ar-AAjKTxq

Minnesota Vikings offensive coordinator Norv Turner has tendered his resignation, the team announced Wednesday. It’s an unexpected move for Turner, who released a statement shortly after the announcement.

“I have tremendous respect for Mike Zimmer, our coaching staff, and our players and at this time I think it is in the best interest of the team to step down,” Turner said. “I thank the Wilf family for my time here in Minnesota and want to see our players and coaches achieve success.”

The Vikings also confirmed that tight ends coach Pat Shurmur will serve as the interim offensive coordinator....
 
HOF: Posthumous enshrinees don’t get jacket or ring
November 4, 2016, 10:16 PM EDT

The Hall of Fame has generated a perfunctory, and expected, explanation for the decision to not give Ken Stabler’s family a gold jacket and a ring. To get the jacket and the ring, the enshrinee must be still alive.

“[E]very living Hall of Fame member receives a Hall of Fame Gold Jacket and a Hall of Fame Ring of Excellence to wear as symbols of his personal Hall of Fame achievement,” the Hall of Fame said in a statement provided to Deadspin. “The Hall of Fame has never presented either of these two personal items posthumously. The Hall of Fame does present to the family of a posthumously elected Hall of Famer, the Gold Hall of Fame Crest that is featured on the Hall of Fame Gold Jacket. This is done during Enshrinement Week at the Hall of Fame Gold Jacket Dinner when the other Class members are presented their Gold Jackets.”

While the statement explains why Stabler’s family didn’t get a jacket and a ring, it’s not an acceptable explanation. All members should get a gold jacket and a ring.

And please don’t give me the “we don’t want family members to fight over the items” excuse. The estate laws resolve those issues, and those same estate laws will apply to the gold jacket and ring actually issued to a living Hall of Famer and not repossessed when he passes.

It’s surprising the policy previously hasn’t come under scrutiny, and Stabler’s family deserves credit for shining a light on the ill-advised loophole. If “Football is Family” is anything other than an overpriced marketing slogan (oh wait, it is), the family of every member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame should be able to treat the gold jacket and ring as football family heirlooms.

So make it happen, Roger Goodell; you’re on the Hall of Fame’s Board of Trustees. So are Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, Bears owner George McCaskey, Steelers owner Dan Rooney, Washington owner Daniel Snyder, and 49ers owner Denise DeBartolo York.

Maybe each of them should be asked the simple and direct question of why they don’t insist that all member of the Hall of Fame receive the jacket and ring, regardless of whether they are alive when inducted.

With Stabler’s Raiders playing in prime time on Sunday night, here’s hoping this issue quickly builds steam until the policy is permanently changed.


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HOF: Posthumous enshrinees don’t get jacket or ring
November 4, 2016, 10:16 PM EDT

The Hall of Fame has generated a perfunctory, and expected, explanation for the decision to not give Ken Stabler’s family a gold jacket and a ring. To get the jacket and the ring, the enshrinee must be still alive.

“[E]very living Hall of Fame member receives a Hall of Fame Gold Jacket and a Hall of Fame Ring of Excellence to wear as symbols of his personal Hall of Fame achievement,” the Hall of Fame said in a statement provided to Deadspin. “The Hall of Fame has never presented either of these two personal items posthumously. The Hall of Fame does present to the family of a posthumously elected Hall of Famer, the Gold Hall of Fame Crest that is featured on the Hall of Fame Gold Jacket. This is done during Enshrinement Week at the Hall of Fame Gold Jacket Dinner when the other Class members are presented their Gold Jackets.”

While the statement explains why Stabler’s family didn’t get a jacket and a ring, it’s not an acceptable explanation. All members should get a gold jacket and a ring.

And please don’t give me the “we don’t want family members to fight over the items” excuse. The estate laws resolve those issues, and those same estate laws will apply to the gold jacket and ring actually issued to a living Hall of Famer and not repossessed when he passes.

It’s surprising the policy previously hasn’t come under scrutiny, and Stabler’s family deserves credit for shining a light on the ill-advised loophole. If “Football is Family” is anything other than an overpriced marketing slogan (oh wait, it is), the family of every member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame should be able to treat the gold jacket and ring as football family heirlooms.

So make it happen, Roger Goodell; you’re on the Hall of Fame’s Board of Trustees. So are Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, Bears owner George McCaskey, Steelers owner Dan Rooney, Washington owner Daniel Snyder, and 49ers owner Denise DeBartolo York.

Maybe each of them should be asked the simple and direct question of why they don’t insist that all member of the Hall of Fame receive the jacket and ring, regardless of whether they are alive when inducted.

With Stabler’s Raiders playing in prime time on Sunday night, here’s hoping this issue quickly builds steam until the policy is permanently changed.


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Thanks for the education. I didn't realize the NFL HoF was so cheap.
 
Dolphins tight end Jordon Cameron has sustained his 4th concussion in 4 years. It has landed him on IR for the season..................very possibly for his career.........
 
Pereira thinks NFL turning to full-time officials would be a mistake
November 9, 2016, 8:14 AM EST


Since Saints coach Sean Payton said last week on PFT Live that the NFL needs full-time officials, there has seemed to be a groundswell of support for the idea, even including the league’s head of officiating, Dean Blandino, saying the idea has merit.

But a former head of officiating doesn’t think it’s a good idea.

Mike Pereira, who ran the league’s officiating department for years and now works as a rules analyst for FOX, told Peter King of TheMMQB.com that many of the best officials in the NFL would quit officiating if the league forced them to do it as a full-time job. And Pereira thinks there just isn’t enough work to do all week, and all offseason, to justify it being a full-time job.

I can’t fathom what a side judge would do all week to get better and make better calls on Sunday,” Pereira said. “Read the rule book? Watch a lot more tape?”

Pereira also defends the officials who currently do the job, saying they do as good a job as the full-timers in other sports.

“If they went full-time, what effect would it have? Basketball officials work basketball all the time; they get criticized all the time. Baseball umpires, same thing,” Pereira said. “We have maybe 19 games a year for our officials. Look at the accuracy rate. It’s pretty damn incredible. There’s maybe 155 plays a game, with 10 significant decisions to be made on every one. And what’s the accuracy—maybe 96 percent? There’s going to be mistakes. I think the officiating right now, overall, is excellent. I don’t want all these new officials that would come in all at once. What it comes down to for me is whether full-time officials would really improve officiating, and I don’t think it would.”

And if it wouldn’t improve officiating, the NFL wouldn’t do it.
 
Pereira is correct on all counts.

Fyi - these guys are already getting paid $180k for seasonal work. How the hell much are you going to pay them to throw in 7 mos of thumb twiddling?
 
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“We have maybe 19 games a year for our officials. Look at the accuracy rate. It’s pretty damn incredible. There’s maybe 155 plays a game, with 10 significant decisions to be made on every one. And what’s the accuracy—maybe 96 percent? There’s going to be mistakes. I think the officiating right now, overall, is excellent. I don’t want all these new officials that would come in all at once. What it comes down to for me is whether full-time officials would really improve officiating, and I don’t think it would.”
The 96% number I'm guessing is only in regards to calls that were made, or "blatant" non-calls.

There's no way that 96% number holds up if we review every play for missed calls, especially of the holding variety.
 
The 96% number I'm guessing is only in regards to calls that were made, or "blatant" non-calls.

There's no way that 96% number holds up if we review every play for missed calls, especially of the holding variety.
Agreed. For there to be an accuracy assessment, a call has to be made. No way that includes non-calls.
 
Agreed. For there to be an accuracy assessment, a call has to be made. No way that includes non-calls.

Actually the NFL claims to go thru post-season and grade for both. I am sure however that they do not 2nd guess routine or discretionary non calls and really only look for flagrant non calls.
 
The 96% number I'm guessing is only in regards to calls that were made, or "blatant" non-calls.

There's no way that 96% number holds up if we review every play for missed calls, especially of the holding variety.
Agreed, but as they say, you could call holding on virtually every play if you wanted to (and unless it's against the team your team is playing, nobody really wants that - do they?) - is what you're discussing really going to make it a more meaningful number, or just another number to punch holes in?

Question for discussion - as Pereira mentioned, both MLB and the NBA have full time officials. Relative to the difficulty of the job (I believe officiating an NBA game is the most difficult task of the three, with MLB being the least difficult), do you feel the NFL has the best, worst or middle of the three officiating?

I don't follow hockey (nor do I know for a fact if they're full time officials or not, but given the number and frequency of games, I'm guessing they are), but if anyone wants to throw the NHL into this, feel free.
 

I thought that some here would have interest in seeing this upcoming segment. Although ill-fated for several reasons, the XFL brought a unique form of excitement to an already exciting sport............the antithesis of "playing it safe." I for one will be watching.

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ESPN Films’ 30 for 30 “This Was the XFL” to Premiere in February
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By Jay Jay Nesheim @JayJayN_ESPN

Posted on November 10, 2016


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Documentary, directed by Charlie Ebersol and featuring Dick Ebersol and Vince McMahon, to debut on February 2 at 9 p.m. ET; World Premiere to Take Place at DOC NYC Tomorrow

Three days before Super Bowl LI, ESPN Films will premiere the 30 for 30 documentary “This Was the XFL,” directed by Charlie Ebersol, chronicling the short-lived, ill-fated pro football league. The documentary, airing on February 2 at 9 p.m. ET on ESPN, tells the story in fascinating, candid, and often rollicking fashion featuring fellow television legends and close friends – Dick Ebersol and Vince McMahon.

A bold challenge, a fearless experiment and ultimately, a spectacular failure. In 2001, sports entertainment titans Ebersol and McMahon launched the XFL. It was hardly the first time a league had tried to compete with the NFL, but the brash audacity of the bid, combined with the personalities and charisma of Ebersol and McMahon and the marketing behemoths of their respective companies — NBC and WWE — captured headlines and a sense of undeniable anticipation about what was to come.

Bringing together a cast of characters ranging from the boardrooms of General Electric to the practice fields of Las Vegas, “This Was the XFL” is the tale of — yes — all that went wrong, but also, how the XFL ended up influencing the way professional team sports are broadcast today. And at the center of it all – a decades long friendship between one of the most significant television executives in media history and the one-of-a-kind WWE impresario. This film will explore how Ebersol and McMahon brought the XFL to life, and why they had to let it go.

“I grew up on the sidelines watching my father and Vince enjoy incredible success with just about everything they touched, and then, along came the XFL,” said director Charlie Ebersol. “I saw them take bold creative risks, face unparalleled success and failure with dignity, but most importantly they maintained and celebrated a friendship where most would have cut and run. I learned more about integrity and character in those 18 months than just about any other time in my life, so when ESPN Films asked if I wanted to tell the story of the XFL, I jumped at the opportunity because I knew that the real story was that of an unbreakable friendship.”

John Dahl, Vice President and Executive Producer, ESPN Films said: “We felt that the colorful personalities and storylines featured throughout the rise and fall of the XFL deserved a more detailed examination, and as Dick Ebersol’s son, Charlie provided a personal understanding of it all. The XFL was a gamble, and even though the league didn’t ultimately succeed, we think audiences will really enjoy this tale of risk and ambition.”

“This Was the XFL” will have its world premiere tomorrow at the DOC NYC film festival in Manhattan. Additional details and ticket information can be found here: http://www.docnyc.net/film/this-was-the-xfl/

The next 30 for 30 film scheduled to debut on ESPN is “Catholics vs. Convicts,” immediately following the Heisman Trophy presentation on Saturday evening, Dec. 10. Directed by Patrick Creadon, the film explores the 1988 college football game between Notre Dame and the University of Miami that sparked far more than just a controversial t-shirt.

Both of these films (plus exclusive bonus features) will be available for streaming on WatchESPN immediately following their premieres.

About ESPN Films

ESPN Films has been an industry leader in documentary filmmaking since its inception in March 2008, producing more than 100 documentaries that have showcased some of the most compelling stories in sports. The high quality of storytelling, highlighted by the Peabody and Emmy-Award winning 30 for 30 series and the documentary event “O.J.: Made in America,” has led to record viewership as well as multiple honors and film festival appearances. Additional projects from ESPN Films over the years have included 30 for 30 Shorts, Nine for IX and the SEC Storied series.
 
Goodell wisely wants to trim the fat from games
November 11, 2016, 7:16 AM EST

On Thursday, PFT suggested some ways to trim the fat from NFL games. Coincidentally or not (coincidentally), the Commissioner spent some time on Thursday discussing the issue as well.

Via the New York Times, the same event that had Roger Goodell discussing full-time officials and our next full-time president included remarks regarding ways to eliminate some of the time from NFL games. For the first time in perhaps a long time, it sounds as if Goodell and yours truly are on the same page.

Although he tried to describe the ratings drop as “cyclical,” Goodell’s remarks generally suggest a willingness to depart from the cycle of circling the wagons whenever bad news descends on the league office. Goodell acknowledged the importance of taking “as much as what we call dead time, non-action out of the game, so that we can make the game more exciting.”

The possibilities include fewer commercials, making the replay review process more efficient, and speeding up the amount of time it takes for referees to announce penalties.

Those are all good ideas, and the NFL should continue to study game broadcasts with an eye toward determining where and how the overall product can move more quickly. Apart from reducing the total time it takes to play a game, the efficiency will make it seem as if the action is moving faster — which in turn could keep viewers from changing the channel.

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The most important factor in cutting down non action time is eliminating the disgusting number of the commercial breaks. When you break down an NFL game, you will find that ~1/3 of the time is allotted to commercials and ~2/3 to actual football action time. Who really believes that the NFL is going to sacrifice hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising revenues? If you do, let me interest you in one hot no risk deal............

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NFL tells teams to stop commenting about concussed players
November 11, 2016, 7:50 PM EST

In the aftermath of multiple instances of teams commenting on when a player will return from a concussion, the NFL has issued a simple and clear directive: Stop it.

In a memo from executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent to all coaches and General Managers, the league has directed all teams to “refrain from making public comments regarding the condition of a concussed player or speculating as to when he may return to practice and play once in the concussion protocol.”

The memo also instructs teams to respond to inquiries about concussed players by saying “that the player is in the concussion protocol under the supervision of the medical team, and the club will monitor his status.”

It’s the right approach, especially after the confusion that emerged during the on-again, off-again concussion diagnosis applied to Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith. Once the player is in the protocol, there’s nothing more for the team to say until the team physician and the independent neurologist have cleared the player to return.
 
It's reported the Pouncey (C for Steelers) who just underwent surgery only 5 days ago for a dislocated thumb of his snapping hand will try to play. Besides the obvious significant pain when trying to grip, the K-wires likely used to hold the thumb in place, along with a protective hand splint, will make secure grip on the football extremely difficult. Don't know how smart this is.
 
The Bears have lost Kyle Long to a severe ankle injury, caused by their FB running up his ^$$. And today, it's been announced that their franchise-tagged WR Alshon Jeffrey. has been suspended for 4 games now for PEDs.
 
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