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Watt overrated/overhyped?

Dre_80

Dre_80

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000596849/DDFP-Is-J-J-Watt-overrated

Saw this segment on NFL.com about how they think or are saying that Watt is overrated/overhyped because he's identifying the weak link each week and basically tells the rest of the guys to step aside so he can take advantage of those easy matchups. Now I haven't studied the coaches film or anything on Watt each game but I can't really remember the last time he destroyed a Tyron Smith type tackle, a Mangold type Center. Does it matter as far as our chances to win games? No as long as it helps us win games. Does it matter when it comes to judging his individual performance compared to other elite players that are matched up with other elite players each week? I think so. Hopkins doesn't put those numbers again when matched up with weak corners, he's matched up with Pro Bowl corners each week and he beats them. And this would also explain a little why the rest of our defense can't be relied on as far as rushing the passer, they're matched up with better talent so it's harder to get to the QB. Wouldn't mind if we mixed things up a little. Put Watt at RE against some elite LT and then have Mercilus rush from the other side or even Clowney.
 
(Speaking to MJD and Ike) ... I understand the point being made about Watt moving around, kinda. I don't particularly like the spontaneous parts of it, because it can put a strain on his swap partner (Crick is usually his safety mechanism) and the defensive calls, but these guys obviously aren't watching the games. Watt doesn't move around outside of designs as much as people are suggesting. Sure, if he identifies a matchup that works he's going to tell the coaches and take advantage of it, but that's not really unusual - especially when invoking the names of previous greats. His first DPOY season he was playing more inside than we're used to seeing, primarily at the left defensive end position. That EARNED him the right to have the freedom to wreck havoc along the line.

It also says something about Watt that he CAN attack from anywhere. 'Pass rush specialist' ... these guys find their spot and perfect it. Line up at the same spot and make it your home, perfecting your hands and hips for that point of attack - Strahan is a perfect example of that if memory serves. Watt gets sacks from every position that there is a number for - from 0 over the center to 9 outside the tightend (on both sides) Watt has a sack.

That leads to another misconception, that it's all about getting sacks. Watt became famous as 'Swatt'. He'll destroy any previous and future records for tackles for loss. Quarterback hits, hurries, and every obscure statistic that can be given to defensive linemen are owned by Watt ... by a mile, by many miles.

Finally, he DOES attack the opponent's strongest lineman quite often - often 2 or 3 of them at a time. If he shifts it's not to the rookie or backup, he shifts to the best matchup. It doesn't matter if it's Joe Thomas or Dave from down the street, that's who he's going after. Funny for that to be a suggestion since his natural position is on the left (against right tackles and traditional run blockers) where he destroys the run game, and shifts to pass rush matchups on the right (against left tackles and pass blockers) when in blitz/pass rush situations.
 
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Scooter said:
Finally, he DOES attack the opponent's strongest lineman quite often - often 2 or 3 of them at a time. If he shifts it's not to the rookie or backup, he shifts to the best matchup. It doesn't matter if it's Joe Thomas or Dave from down the street, that's who he's going after. Funny for that to be a suggestion since his natural position is on the left (against right tackles and traditional run blockers) where he destroys the run game, and shifts to pass rush matchups on the right (against left tackles and pass blockers) when in blitz/pass rush situations.
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When was the last time he beat up a Pro Bowl LT? Joe Thomas, Trent Williams, Tyron Smith, guys like that. He does most / all his damage from the left side or lining up inside. And when he does make plays from RE it's not against Pro Bowl type LT's. I mean I can't think of any. Do you have any examples?
 
Dre_80 said:
When was the last time he beat up a Pro Bowl LT? Joe Thomas, Trent Williams, Tyron Smith, guys like that. He does most / all his damage from the left side or lining up inside. And when he does make plays from RE it's not against Pro Bowl type LT's. I mean I can't think of any. Do you have any examples?
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Weird ... you picked guys from 3 teams we don't play this season. We played a couple of them last year and I bet his plays were recorded, go. Pick the best player on any line we've faced this season and tell me how they've done 1v1 against Watt. I've gone out of my way to insult teams that have blocked Watt with 1 or 2 guys and exhibited their flaws as why we've been able to dominate on defense. He plays on the left and right side every game, which contradicts your arguments. Does he abuse the left or does he avoid the best player blitzing from the right? Pick one, and be wrong because he moves every game. Who's stopped him? Find any defensive player in the league that sees the amount of double, triple and quadruple teams.

Watt is on pace for best ever, while being schemed and blocked more than any defensive player in football. To disagree with either statement is folly, and would require exceptional evidence to the contrary. Go ...
 
He's got a good chance to record a third 20 sack season, and that doesn't include all the things he does. Until he wins multiple MVPs there's zero chance of him being overrated or overhyped.
 
Dre_80 said:
When was the last time he beat up a Pro Bowl LT? Joe Thomas, Trent Williams, Tyron Smith, guys like that. He does most / all his damage from the left side or lining up inside. And when he does make plays from RE it's not against Pro Bowl type LT's. I mean I can't think of any. Do you have any examples?
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That's certainly a valid point. He not only doesn't go against a teams best pass-blocking Olinemen, he often is matched against a smaller, sometimes much smaller TE since he's more often lining up on the strong side. And in this division, the only elite or even near elite OT is Watt's teammate, Duane Brown. So of course he's going against these average to inferior offensive linemen twice every year. There's a lot of luck in who one plays with or against in racking up impressive stats. For example how much better would Andre Johnsons stats as a WR be if he had been matched with a superior QB in all of those years here in Houston, just as Watts stats are possibly inflated because of facing a lot of inferior competitors.
 
This guy who is often triple teamed is being asked if he is overrated LMAO. And to think people are happy Clowney got a sack against a TE.

You guys kill me, he plays everywhere on the line. Of course he has beaten good oline mean, but funny how even those "good" oline guys need help against Watt.
 
IDEXAN said:
That's certainly a valid point. He not only doesn't go against a teams best pass-blocking Olinemen
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Obviously he does, otherwise the entire argument that he is lining up everywhere is rendered null. And anyone who's watched a Texans game has seen him win 1v1's versus anyone at a record pace.

he often is matched against a smaller, sometimes much smaller TE since he's more often lining up on the strong side.
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Yes he is, and that smaller TE has a tackle, a halfback and probably a guard blocking as well. You may be confusing Watt with Mario Williams who was famously stonewalled by tightends.
 
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Watt had a pretty good game going against Joe Thomas and Tyron Smith in the pro bowl...

yeah I know it's the pro bowl but still
 
amazing80 said:
Funny how no other DE or OLB in the league can post his stats vs the same inferior talent on the teams he plays.

Stupid video and dumb commentating.
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Well Strahan did become the all time sack leader by facing the inferior tackle on every team he faced.... but of course he wasn't overrated/overhyped at any point
 
The best way for media to get your attention is to use known name in its industry on the story line and talk about nothing. Watt already has over 20 sacks twice and going for his third in his young career in the NFL and leads other categories as well and talking about he is overrated or overhyped? Ridiculous. I would stop reading useless article like this.
 
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These losers are just jealous. It's the gazelle whining that the lion is eating the slow ones. At the end of the day, J.J. is still a lion and you remain a member of the deer family.

When a legendary head coach like Belichick goes on over a minute about a specific player, I'd take his opinion and evaluation any day over some chumps who aren't even in the game at any level but just sit at a desk and blather their worthless and unfounded opinions.

Exploiting an opponent's weaknesses is a fundamental strategy in war, and football. J.J. is double and triple teamed on every play, yet he still find a way to beat it and make plays. These guys have dirty underwear opinions, meaning that they throw crap at a wall to see what sticks because nobody really cares what they think. We are only talking about them because they are being contrary, not because they have some intellectual and honest insight.
 
What these guys seem to lack is the historical acumen to be objective about comparing a current player to the greats of the past.

Bruce Smith is often cited as one of, if not the, best defensive lineman of all time (up there with Reggie White and Deacon Jones). Here is some analysis of Bruce Smith:

Bruce Smith was a specimen. At 6-foot-4 and 262 pounds, he was all over the place for the Buffalo Bills. Although Smith’s primary position was listed as right defensive end, he was versatile enough to line up both over the center at tackle and over at right end in the 34 scheme. Smith shifted positions so opposing offenses could not get a beat on him.

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I do not see anyone whining about HoF Bruce Smith's career. The mission of a defensive lineman is to disrupt the passing game and stop the run, not prove that you're the best by only lining up against their best offenseive lineman. This is a weak-ass analysis by MJD and to be honest, I've lost respect for him for such a doofus perspective.
 
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To be fair, Ike Taylor was crawdadding at the end. This was MJD's hallucination all the way.

There are some JJ haters out there in the media. Sapp was one. Michael Irvin, another. I don't know what (Watt?) it stems from. Haters gonna hate.
 
I actually like JJ chances if he was match up one on one against Joe Thomas than if being double team all day. I don't think any tackle can survive a football afternoon if left alone against #99. The only difference is an all pro like Thomas won't break down as easily as the average lineman.
 
klockWork said:
I actually like JJ chances if he was match up one on one against Joe Thomas than if being double team all day. I don't think any tackle can survive a football afternoon if left alone against #99. The only difference is an all pro like Thomas won't break down as easily as the average lineman.
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This. I'm good with JJ going one on one against any LT that has ever played the game. I still see JJ getting a couple QB hits, some tackles for a loss, and a sack or 2. Heck if he wasn't double or triple teamed and exclusively rushed from one side against the best, his stats would probably be even better.

It's just unbelievably ludicrous that after 4 seasons of absolute domination that anyone could question whether JJ Watt is elite. Even my Cowboys friends that are total Texans haters can do nothing but rave about JJ Watt. If he stays healthy, he'll retire as one of the best to ever play the game. To say anything otherwise is just silly.

It didn't surprise me when Screamin' A and DipShit Bayless tried to call JJ above average but outside of those guys, there really shouldn't be anyone with half a brain that at this point could say something so stupid. If the broken hand doesn't totally derail this season, he'll have his 3rd DPOY award in 5 years. He might be the first player in NFL history with 3 seasons of 20 or more sacks, which is WAY more impressive IMO than simply setting the single season sack record.

#99 is the definition of a 99 video game rating. And if the rating scale kept going, he'd probably be more like a 110. I'm truly baffled by the hate. Baffled.
 
Overhyped? Maybe
Overrated? No, the guy demands triple/double teams consistently or basically has to be held and still puts up his numbers in multiple categories.
 
White is the greatest defensive player I've ever seen including taylor. No way does a 300lbs defensive lineman suppose to have 100 tackles and 20 sacks. Watt in this span has bern almost that good. I mean when white got 20 sacks, they threw the ball 20 timed a game vs 35 like now.
 
Yeah Manning, Rodgers, Brady, etc pick on the "weak" defender like K Johnson got picked on Sunday. Maybe Bills will give that TD back? Foster never runs right into the biggest DT, dad gum it, he always picks on the weakest guy to run past.

My sources tell me Watt pulled a muscle laughing at this crap and is only probable for Sunday night.
 
Watt did beat Tyron Smith one-on-one last year. Blew right by him. He just made a cosmically rare whiff on the sack, so no one remembers.

And he doesn't just line up over the weak link. If that were true, he would stay in the same spot the entire game. He moves around to throw off the protection, and ends up facing both sides.

What a profoundly stupid premise this is.

Though this reminds me of a funnier moment from when he was mic'd up during the Saints game: He kept telling their offensive line that the rookie tackle wasn't doing a good enough job protecting Brees, saying, "I like Drew, I don't want to keep hitting him like that!" So the vet left tackle challenged Watt to give him a try, which immediately resulted in a sack.
 
Lucky said:
To be fair, Ike Taylor was crawdadding at the end. This was MJD's hallucination all the way.

There are some JJ haters out there in the media. Sapp was one. Michael Irvin, another. I don't know what (Watt?) it stems from. Haters gonna hate.
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You just named guys who can't get past themselves and Watt is a threat to their Best Ever delusion.
 
badboy said:
Yeah Manning, Rodgers, Brady, etc pick on the "weak" defender like K Johnson got picked on Sunday. Maybe Bills will give that TD back? Foster never runs right into the biggest DT, dad gum it, he always picks on the weakest guy to run past.

My sources tell me Watt pulled a muscle laughing at this crap and is only probable for Sunday night.
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Really good analogy. Picking on the weak link happens ALL THE TIME in football. So why would something every single team and player in football does be used as an attempt to discredit JJ?

I get it when people try to discredit James Harden and Dwight Howard. Both of those guys you either love or hate. But what has JJ done other than be a prime example of where hard work and determination can get you? And this season when it looked like his play might drop off a tad due to all the publicity, he has gone out and put together another stellar campaign.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. I'm baffled. Only reason I can think of for someone to dislike JJ is to just be the ultimate Texans hater.

Marshall said:
Does MJD stand for My Jaw Dropped (when I heard that statement)?
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Nice one!

I started to read the thread before I watched the video. As I read the comments, I started thinking to myself, "Surely he didn't really say what everyone is saying he said." But sure enough, he's as much of an irrelevant dumbass as everyone in the thread was saying he was. Shocking for a guy I used to really like, even when he was playing for a rival.

It's already been said but it is worth repeating. When arguably the best coach in football in the last 20 years says that a player reminds him of the best pass rusher in NFL history, Lawrence Taylor, it's time to shut your pie hole and realize your take is nothing but the mad ravings of a lunatic. Belichick, Marvin Lewis (not a great coach but called Watt a surefire Hall of Famer), Dan Campbell (was ready to put 5 guys just on Watt), Rex Ryan (wanted to lie about Watt having a disease so he could draft him), and the list goes on of opposing coaches that have nothing but praise for JJ Watt.
 
Scooter said:
while being schemed and blocked more than any defensive player in football
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How do you scheme for a guy not knowing where he's going to line up? Let's put 3 TE's out there on the right side, that'll stop him. Oh, wait, he lines up at DT or on the left side. Whoops.
 
Dre_80 said:
How do you scheme for a guy not knowing where he's going to line up? Let's put 3 TE's out there on the right side, that'll stop him. Oh, wait, he lines up at DT or on the left side. Whoops.
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You know that sometimes the OL slides protection from side to side... once in a while they even audible blocking schemes
 
Scooter said:
Weird ... you picked guys from 3 teams we don't play this season. We played a couple of them last year and I bet his plays were recorded, go. Pick the best player on any line we've faced this season and tell me how they've done 1v1 against Watt.
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I just went over the Jets game and he didn't do anything against their LT (Ferguson) or C (Mangold). He destroyed their RT (can't even spell his name) and the TE. Bengals? They have a great LT in Whithworth. So who did Watt line up against? Of course, their rookie backup RT. Who pretty much held him in check the entire game. If he wants to prove that he's the best he should go against the best and not avoid them. If he'd just line up on the right side vs the LT that would actually help out Crick, Clowney and Mercilus a ton...
 
Dre_80 said:
I just went over the Jets game and he didn't do anything against their LT (Ferguson) or C (Mangold).
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Mangold was injured at the beginning of the second quarter.

Watt had 8 tackles, 2 sacks and 3 tackles for loss if I'm reading the box score correctly. That's quite a mouthful.

Watt had one of those sacks against Ferguson, as well as a 1 yard run stop. Sadly the NFL review doesn't actually show every tackle.

Another edit: after watching the Bengals highlights, it didn't matter who their best lineman was because they had 2 players dedicated to Watt. In my brief viewing they tripled him more than than singled. I did find one though - on the fumble to end the game Watt blasted past Whitworth ... had Dalton done more than a catch and throw from shotgun he would've gotten crushed.
 
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