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Cutler Signs 7 year deal (Chicago)

So... that's not happening.


QB Choices:
1) Draft
2) Sign a FA (but now there are none worth the starting position)
3) Stick with what we have on the roster.


1 and 3 seem like the only viable options we have right now, and 3 ain't real viable.
 
Foxsports.com's Alex Marvez reports the first three years of Cutler's deal average $18 million per season.
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Foxsports.com's Alex Marvez reports the first three years of Cutler's deal average $18 million per season.
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Real curious to see the backhalf, but overall it's not important. Most players rarely play out a full contract and he'll likely be cut before the final year of the deal. The first three seasons are what's important, and at that price, no thanks.
 
BetaV1 said:
Real curious to see the backhalf, but overall it's not important. Most players rarely play out a full contract and he'll likely be cut before the final year of the deal. The first three seasons are what's important, and at that price, no thanks.
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Yeah. Everyone knows guaranteed money is the only thing that matters. I am sure its around $50 million. They will probably pay him that much by year 2 or 3 after signing bonus ect.
 
htownfan32 said:
So... that's not happening.


QB Choices:
1) Draft
2) Sign a FA (but now there are none worth the starting position)
3) Stick with what we have on the roster.


1 and 3 seem like the only viable options we have right now, and 3 ain't real viable.
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4) Trade for a vet and groom a draft pick
 
I'm so glad the Bears took care of this early, if only because I did not want to hear Armchair GM constantly bring Cutler's name up as a QB for the Texans.

I don't hate Cutler. I just didn't want to see him in Texans gear.
 
Pants :(

Was an option for a year or two while we either tutor CK or a draft pick QB (roinds 2 or 3).

Always McGowen or what about Tebow a former 1st round draft pick.


I'll get mi coat and stop fishing ;)
 
When I saw the thread title I honestly thought it was a joke. Horrible signing by the Bears. Just for clarification, aside from it being Cutler, a yawn of a QB, the amount and length of the deal is the horrible part.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't hate Cutler. I just didn't want to see him in Texans gear.
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Yeah, because winning sucks.

Now we(armchair GMs) are going to throw names like Freeman, Hoyer, & Cassell out there. Maybe we trade for Flynn, or Mallet, maybe Cousins.

I do not want to go into the 2014 season when our best QB has never won an NFL game.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'm so glad the Bears took care of this early, if only because I did not want to hear Armchair GM constantly bring Cutler's name up as a QB for the Texans.

I don't hate Cutler. I just didn't want to see him in Texans gear.
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Cutler isn't terrible. He's better than Schaub when Schaub was good but I want this team to do better than that. I wouldn't give cutler that kind of money. I don't think he's worth it but the the bears problem now. I thought mccown played better than cutler and was a cheaper option.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Cutler isn't terrible. He's better than Schaub when Schaub was good but I want this team to do better than that. I wouldn't give cutler that kind of money. I don't think he's worth it but the the bears problem now. I thought mccown played better than cutler and was a cheaper option.
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The idea was never for Cutler to be our future QB. If we signed him at all, he would only have been here for one year. We would have drafted a rookie QB. Cutler, the Rookie, & Case would compete for the starting job. Whoever wins, wins.

But we need a QB on this roster who has won in the NFL. Otherwise, imo, a competition between Keenum & the rookie is a competition between two of the lesser evils.

McNair said we're not rebuilding.

If we were able to sign Mallet for 4 years, we'd have a better chance at winning 10 games than taking a chance & just going with Bridgewater.
 
thunderkyss said:
The idea was never for Cutler to be our future QB. If we signed him at all, he would only have been here for one year. We would have drafted a rookie QB. Cutler, the Rookie, & Case would compete for the starting job. Whoever wins, wins.

But we need a QB on this roster who has won in the NFL. Otherwise, imo, a competition between Keenum & the rookie is a competition between two of the lesser evils.

McNair said we're not rebuilding.

If we were able to sign Mallet for 4 years, we'd have a better chance at winning 10 games than taking a chance & just going with Bridgewater.
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What exactly about Mallett's illustrious career of 1 completion in 4 attempts and a pick who was a third round pick, really makes you say with a straight face that he'd give us a better chance than the near unanimous thought of best QB in the draft? You are aware that rookies CAN take teams to the playoffs, right?

Also, why are people even wanting Mallett? Dude is stupid.
 
Way, way too much money for Cutler but I understand why Chicago felt they needed to lock him up. Good thing the deal is front loaded so they can release him in 3 years when he's not worth that money anymore (if he ever was).
 
TheIronDuke said:
What exactly about Mallett's illustrious career of 1 completion in 4 attempts and a pick who was a third round pick, really makes you say with a straight face that he'd give us a better chance than the near unanimous thought of best QB in the draft? You are aware that rookies CAN take teams to the playoffs, right?

Also, why are people even wanting Mallett? Dude is stupid.
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Just the usual assumption that an association to Brady/Belichick automatically means success...
 
Thank God they made this stupid move instead of us. Saves me from a couple more months of the Cutler to Houston stuff.
 
WolverineFan said:
Way, way too much money for Cutler but I understand why Chicago felt they needed to lock him up. Good thing the deal is front loaded so they can release him in 3 years when he's not worth that money anymore (if he ever was).
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If the bears can get a half way decent defense they can make a run. The window is short because forte is outstanding but he he's overworked, they have the WRs too. I would rather franchise cutler for another season before giving him that much guaranteed money.
 
How quickly we forget the David Carr days . . :runaway:

What veteran QB worth his salt is going to want to come here knowing that his role will be just to fill in while the the high priced rookie is groomed.

If we take a QB high in the draft, even if it's a trade down out of 1.1, he starts on opening day. There won't be any "competition". This is why I don't want to them to draft any QB in the 1st round.

Regarding Cutler . . . Thank you God for making the Bears FO lose their minds.
 
Marcus said:
How quickly we forget the David Carr days . . :runaway:

What veteran QB worth his salt is going to want to come here knowing that his role will be just to fill in while the the high priced rookie is groomed.

If we take a QB high in the draft, even if it's a trade down out of 1.1, he starts on opening day. There won't be any "competition". This is why I don't want to them to draft any QB in the 1st round.

Regarding Cutler . . . Thank you God for making the Bears FO lose their minds.
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Free agency begins about two months before the draft, so a vet QB signed before the draft won't know for certain that there will be a rookie QB to compete against.
 
Showtime100 said:
When I saw the thread title I honestly thought it was a joke. Horrible signing by the Bears. Just for clarification, aside from it being Cutler, a yawn of a QB, the amount and length of the deal is the horrible part.
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Yeah, 3-4 year back-loaded deal I can see, but this is ridiculous.

thunderkyss said:
Yeah, because winning sucks.

Now we(armchair GMs) are going to throw names like Freeman, Hoyer, & Cassell out there. Maybe we trade for Flynn, or Mallet, maybe Cousins.

I do not want to go into the 2014 season when our best QB has never won an NFL game.
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56-48 - Yeah, he's technically a winner. (Then again, so is Schaub)

Cutler is a middle-of-the-road guy who never earned his #11 overall pick. Is he a stop-gap? Sure. Let's not act like he's some sort of top-tier guy.
 
michaelm said:
Free agency begins about two months before the draft, so a vet QB signed before the draft won't know for certain that there will be a rookie QB to compete against.
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:lol: well, if he's gonna have his head that far up his ass, we really don't need him on the team anyway.
 
disaacks3 said:
Cutler is a middle-of-the-road guy who never earned his #11 overall pick. Is he a stop-gap? Sure. Let's not act like he's some sort of top-tier guy.
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Don't think for a second I'm suggesting that Jay Cutler could have been the savior of this franchise.

As it stands right now, we might win 5 games next season. Some of us are ok with that, because we're rebuilding.

I... refuse to believe we are rebuilding. Bob said we are not rebuilding. I would like to sign a veteran QB who has won a few games in the NFL. Cutler fit that bill. Cutler was also the best projected QB this FA period... Actually Schaub is, but we know that shouldn't happen.

& it made sense to me that Cutler would be open to a one year deal (but he just signed for 7 years, so obviously I don't know what I'm talking about).

Next on my list is Josh Freeman, then Brian Hoyer, then I hope they trade for someone.
 
thunderkyss said:
Next on my list is Josh Freeman, then Brian Hoyer, then I hope they trade for someone.
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Hoyer's under contract to the Browns, and Josh Freeman is...well, he's Josh Freeman.

If you're looking for a one (or maybe even two) year guy, I think I'd be trying to talk to Josh McCown (assuming he's not going to retire).
 
ChampionTexan said:
Hoyer's under contract to the Browns, and Josh Freeman is...well, he's Josh Freeman.

If you're looking for a one (or maybe even two) year guy, I think I'd be trying to talk to Josh McCown (assuming he's not going to retire).
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Josh McCown is really not that good. (But neither are Hoyer or Freeman.)

But he's a Bearkat...so I'll support it.
 
If all we want is a one year rental then why not take a look at Vick? He's likely to make it just as far into the season as Cutler is before they both get hurt.
 
bah007 said:
If all we want is a one year rental then why not take a look at Vick? He's likely to make it just as far into the season as Cutler is before they both get hurt.
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I like Vick, but I think he brings too much media.


I think a pro team should be able to handle it, but I don't want to deal with it.
 
No signing bonus for Cutler, high base salaries, $54 million guaranteed

The details are in for Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler's seven-year, $126.7 million contract.

According to a league source, the deal doesn't include a signing bonus and has $54 million in total guaranteed money.

The deal averages $18.1 million per year.

  • In 2014, Cutler has a $22.5 million base salary and salary-cap figure with $2.5 million of his base salary deferred until March 30, 2014 in addition to another $2.5 million paid out over the 2015 regular season.
  • In 2015, Cutler has a $15.5 million base salary guaranteed and salary-cap figure.
  • In 2016, Cutler has a $16 million base salary and salary-cap figure.
  • In 2017, Cutler is due a $12.5 million nonguaranteed base salary and a $15 million salary-cap figure. He has $2.5 million in per-game roster bonus paid out for $156,250 for every game he's active.
  • In 2018, he has a $13.5 million nonguaranteed base salary with a $16 million salary-cap figure. That includes the same $2.5 million per-game roster bonus.
  • In 2019, he has a $17.5 million nonguaranteed base salary with a $20 million salary-cap figure. It has the same $2.5 million per-game roster bonus.
  • In 2020, Cutler has a $19.2 million base salary plus $2.5 million per-game roster bonus.
 
So it's essentially a 3 year, 54 million dollar deal. Kind of like Schaub's actually, but no lingering caphits beyond the "prove it" year. 18m APY is really high though, so it's still not a good deal for the team.
 
bah007 said:
If all we want is a one year rental then why not take a look at Vick? He's likely to make it just as far into the season as Cutler is before they both get hurt.
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Thats my thought process too. I think McCown is going to want a multi year deal and we only need a guy for 8 games, maybe 16 until Teddy is ready.
 
Dutchrudder said:
So it's essentially a 3 year, 54 million dollar deal. Kind of like Schaub's actually, but no lingering caphits beyond the "prove it" year. 18m APY is really high though, so it's still not a good deal for the team.
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It's a one year deal.

If he doesn't prove worthy to keep beyond 2014, they can cut him & not pay him a dime, not have any dead money on the books. Unless that salary for 2015 is truly guaranteed. I know they said "guaranteed" but it's funny how they sometimes mean "guaranteed." Maybe they're saying guaranteed in case of injury. But with his history, I don't know why they would do that. Guaranteed as in if he makes the day 1 roster, he gets paid. But they can release him prior to day 1 if they want to save money.

A player's base salary is usually not guaranteed. The player only makes that money if he's on a team's roster for that particular season.

When you see a player sign a five-year or six-year deal, the base salaries are routinely included when the total amount of the deal is discussed. However, unless the player is actually on the roster to start the regular season in that particular year he doesn't get that money unless it's been specifically dealt with in the language of the contract.

And that's rare for a team to guarantee somebody's base salary over the long term.
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If his salaries for year 2 & 3 are truly guaranteed (& the Bears are on the hook for that money if he were cut) that would be a very unique contract. I was thinking Cutler was going to have to sign a one year deal to prove to his next team that he was worthy of a long term contract. This, is basically the same, but better. He's already got very good compensation for years 2 & 3 already negotiated.
 
thunderkyss said:
It's a one year deal.

If he doesn't prove worthy to keep beyond 2014, they can cut him & not pay him a dime, not have any dead money on the books. Unless that salary for 2015 is truly guaranteed. I know they said "guaranteed" but it's funny how they sometimes mean "guaranteed." Maybe they're saying guaranteed in case of injury. But with his history, I don't know why they would do that. Guaranteed as in if he makes the day 1 roster, he gets paid. But they can release him prior to day 1 if they want to save money.

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If his salaries for year 2 & 3 are truly guaranteed (& the Bears are on the hook for that money if he were cut) that would be a very unique contract. I was thinking Cutler was going to have to sign a one year deal to prove to his next team that he was worthy of a long term contract. This, is basically the same, but better. He's already got very good compensation for years 2 & 3 already negotiated.
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Have you read anything specific to Cutler's deal that would support that statement? If not, then it's contract where the first 54m is guaranteed.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Have you read anything specific to Cutler's deal that would support that statement? If not, then it's contract where the first 54m is guaranteed.
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Like I said, guaranteed doesn't always mean guaranteed. It's more like "guaranteed sorta" until we read "guaranteed for performance & injury" it may not be guaranteed at all.
 
Former coaches doubt Bears can win with Jay Cutler
At least 10 former Chicago Bears staffers from the Lovie Smith and Marc Trestman regimes said recently they believe the team can't consistently compete for championships as long as it fields a lineup with Jay Cutler under center.

That sentiment might explain why head coach John Fox and general manager Ryan Pace remain uncommitted to Cutler as the team's starting quarterback for 2015. Deciding whether to commit to Cutler has a time element. If Cutler is on the Bears' roster on March 12, $10 million of his 2016 salary is guaranteed.
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Two teammates, who also asked to remain anonymous for this story, characterized Cutler as a divisive figure with whom they'd rather not continue to play.

In six years with the Bears, Cutler has gone through four offensive coordinators, two head coaches and a pair of general managers. Yet Cutler remains very much in play as the team's potential long-term solution at the position, in part, because of the seven-year, $126.7 million extension the quarterback signed in January 2014...
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I just don't understand. Cutler has been in the league for nine years. After two years I was pretty sure what he was. After three I was ready to give up on him. And after four years I was absolutely certain beyond all doubt. And still, five years after that he is still getting a pass and making $18m per season.

His average season is 20 TDs and 14 INTs. That's not his worst year, that's his AVERAGE over nine years.

Last season was the best statistical year of his career and he still threw 18 INTs.

Absolutely insane.
 
bah007 said:
I just don't understand. Cutler has been in the league for nine years. After two years I was pretty sure what he was. After three I was ready to give up on him. And after four years I was absolutely certain beyond all doubt. And still, five years after that he is still getting a pass and making $18m per season.

His average season is 20 TDs and 14 INTs. That's not his worst year, that's his AVERAGE over nine years.

Last season was the best statistical year of his career and he still threw 18 INTs.

Absolutely insane.
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I'm with you there. He's the modern day Jeff George. Great arm, but EVERYTHING else is lacking, but some teams still have a woody for him.
 
bah007 said:
I just don't understand. Cutler has been in the league for nine years. After two years I was pretty sure what he was. After three I was ready to give up on him. And after four years I was absolutely certain beyond all doubt. And still, five years after that he is still getting a pass and making $18m per season.

His average season is 20 TDs and 14 INTs. That's not his worst year, that's his AVERAGE over nine years.

Last season was the best statistical year of his career and he still threw 18 INTs.

Absolutely insane.
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What's funny, is that I'll say something like Tj Yates or Tom Savage can be our Jay Cutler & people would get it twisted thinking I'm saying that Jay Cutler is good. I'm not.

He's a notch below good Schaub. You can win with him, but you'll need a better team than what we put around Schaub.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
I'm with you there. He's the modern day Jeff George. Great arm, but EVERYTHING else is lacking, but some teams still have a woody for him.
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To be fair, he flashes enough for people to keep giving him a chance. He had seven games with a passer rating over 90 in 2014. Three games over 100.

In 2013 he played in 11 games. He had a passer rating over 90 in seven of them. Over 100 in four of them.

His problem is that he's just as likely to have games below 80. Four of them in 2013 (out of 11 games) all below 74. He had one game with a passer rating of 8. In 2014 he had 5 games below 80. Two were below 70.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
I'm with you there. He's the modern day Jeff George. Great arm, but EVERYTHING else is lacking, but some teams still have a woody for him.
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Perfect comparison, if you ask me. George might've been a tad more whacked in the head than Cutler, but not by much
 
thunderkyss said:
To be fair, he flashes enough for people to keep giving him a chance. He had seven games with a passer rating over 90 in 2014. Three games over 100.

In 2013 he played in 11 games. He had a passer rating over 90 in seven of them. Over 100 in four of them.

His problem is that he's just as likely to have games below 80. Four of them in 2013 (out of 11 games) all below 74. He had one game with a passer rating of 8. In 2014 he had 5 games below 80. Two were below 70.
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You're right. I'm not saying he's terrible but he gets paid a huge salary. That is the fault of the former GM. But I bet that if Cutler were cut today another team would step up and give him another big pay day.
 
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