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Clowney, then what?

thunderkyss

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What are our options?

If we invest our 1st rounder on a QB, what's it look like in the second?

Any interesting FAs coming up?

Brennan & Quiz.... are they in the mix?
 
If we go with Clowney, I take a second round OT and a third round QB, swapping 3rd and 2nd as necessary. If we go with Bridgewater, I'd like to trade up and grab Brandon Schefft if he's not falling to the #33 spot.
 
The inclusion of wade smith in that link causes distrust on my part.

Doc seems to think we'd be foolish to rely on Brennan hitting anywhere near his potential given his injury.

I like the idea of quiz to take over at LG, and draft another RT, who can swing, if he gets beat out by Harris then we have our swing so we aren't reliant on Harris to backup brown at LT.

I'm a little worried about Myers at C in anything other than a zone scheme, he doesn't take on DL in our scheme he's all about the second level which may cause huge issues, worried he could look just like he did the forst couple of years after he became the starter.

Is Ben jones really an option at C? Not sure we've seen much of him at that position and thought he was only so-so at guard last season and obv got beaten out this year.

Going back to wade smith, I believe he has a reasonable cap hit which were offloading this offseason which might make us a player in FA on the oline.
 
welsh texan said:
I'm a little worried about Myers at C in anything other than a zone scheme, he doesn't take on DL in our scheme he's all about the second level which may cause huge issues, worried he could look just like he did the forst couple of years after he became the starter.
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thunderkyss said:
What are our options?

If we invest our 1st rounder on a QB, what's it look like in the second?

Any interesting FAs coming up?

Brennan & Quiz.... are they in the mix?
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For me the 1st pick would be Clowney

2nd QB

3rd OT Morgan Moses.
 
This is what I posted in the thread about the PFF offensive line ratings.

Brisco_County said:
I'm fully convinced that McNair (and Smith by proxy) intends to draft Jake Matthews. Not only does it address our biggest need, but bringing the Matthews family back to Houston further legitimizes the club among fans. You can't discount the marketing value of a draft pick sometimes. It's true that you don't take an RT that high, but they'll move him to LT in a year or two.
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I think Duane Brown will be ready for RT in a couple of years. We'll take a guard in 2 or 3 depending on draft depth.
 
I'm with you Wade Smith is gone after this yr and maybe Meyers. I was upset with the Williams Pick due to his injury history, I personally like Jones if we put him at C. The oline for me would be Dbo,Jones,Meyers,Brooks,Ques if we didn't get a olineman in the draft. If we do I put the oline as Dbo,Ques,Jones,Brooks,Rookie.
 
Bleed_Blu_Red said:
I'm with you Wade Smith is gone after this yr and maybe Meyers. I was upset with the Williams Pick due to his injury history, I personally like Jones if we put him at C. The oline for me would be Dbo,Jones,Meyers,Brooks,Ques if we didn't get a olineman in the draft. If we do I put the oline as Dbo,Ques,Jones,Brooks,Rookie.
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Why not draft the highest rated OG in the 2nd and keep Ques at RT?
 
steelbtexan said:
Why not draft the highest rated OG in the 2nd and keep Ques at RT?
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That's what I want to do draft Teddy put Ques at RT. I believe that will happen and we get a G to replace Smith in the 2nd or maybe trade back into the first rnd for Antonio Richardson for RT.
 
Brisco_County said:
This is what I posted in the thread about the PFF offensive line ratings.



I think Duane Brown will be ready for RT in a couple of years. We'll take a guard in 2 or 3 depending on draft depth.
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We aren't going to draft a right tackle in the top 5 over a franchise QB or blue-chip pass rusher.
 
Everything depends on who the next OC is...

If we switch from ZBS there will be significant turnover.

On performance alone, we need a new LG & RT.

Quessenberry can play, but he has to adjust his body. I'm not sure he's more than a G, though.

I just don't know about Brennan Williams. He may be too injured. He may want to go straight to WWF?
 
bhsman said:
We aren't going to draft a right tackle in the top 5 over a franchise QB or blue-chip pass rusher.
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Not to mention going right back and picking more o line in 2 or 3. The o line needs some addressing but we've got way more pressing needs on defense.
 
Move quessenberry to LG, and draft future RT at 2.1 & hope brennan williams is healthy enough to compete for RT w the new 2nd round rookie.

This draft is verrrrrrrry deep in Tackles, so we can get a real good one 2.1
 
Trade down all the way out of the first round, and get a boatload of seconds.

I'm sick of hearing this "we've got way too much talent" blah blah.
 
Playoffs said:
Everything depends on who the next OC is...

If we switch from ZBS there will be significant turnover.

On performance alone, we need a new LG & RT.

Quessenberry can play, but he has to adjust his body. I'm not sure he's more than a G, though.

I just don't know about Brennan Williams. He may be too injured. He may want to go straight to WWF?
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Lots of cheeseburgers for whomever we keep and bigger stronger for whomever we seek.
 
Bleed_Blu_Red said:
I'm with you Wade Smith is gone after this yr and maybe Meyers. I was upset with the Williams Pick due to his injury history, I personally like Jones if we put him at C. The oline for me would be Dbo,Jones,Meyers,Brooks,Ques if we didn't get a olineman in the draft. If we do I put the oline as Dbo,Ques,Jones,Brooks,Rookie.
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What history are you referring to? He tore his labrum and missed 4 games his last season and was healthy when he showed for training camp.
 
From what I remember He had a questionable knee thru college just never serious enough to where he needed surgery or needed to sit out games. Plus the microsurgery he got on the knee during training camp isn't the knee that gave him trouble in college.
 
I'm hoping that Quessenberry's broken foot has healed, and that he has spent the past few months and next offseason in the weightroom getting bigger and stronger. I look forward to him batteling for a starting position at either LG or RT. I'm not counting on Brennan Williams for anything and we may never see a starting snap from him ever. I also think the Texans should take the best OT at the top of the 2nd round or trade up to the late 1st if a good one falls. With a new QB on the way we've got to solidify and protect our investment.
 
These are the players in jeopardy due to Cap:

1. Schaub $4M cap relief and reduces long term cap restrictions to sign Watt to 2015 extension.

2. Owen Daniel $4.5M. Unfortunately, too much time on the bench for his salary.

3. Daniel Manning $4.5M. This is likely the last resort salary cap cut.

4. I earlier had Ed Reed, but he's already gone.

Other personnel could be cut, but won't offer significant cap help after replacement cost is factored in.

Cushing, Brown and Hopkins are safe because of of cap issues.
 
Marshall said:
These are the players in jeopardy due to Cap:

1. Schaub $4M cap relief and reduces long term cap restrictions to sign Watt to 2015 extension.

2. Owen Daniel $4.5M. Unfortunately, too much time on the bench for his salary.

3. Daniel Manning $4.5M. This is likely the last resort salary cap cut.

4. I earlier had Ed Reed, but he's already gone.

Other personnel could be cut, but won't offer significant cap help after replacement cost is factored in.

Cushing, Brown and Hopkins are safe because of of cap issues.
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Id prefer to extend manning, thus creating about 1.5 million in cap space this season....and I would consider cutting or trading Jjo.....but we better have a plan to get another good corner here....
 
amazing80 said:
Id prefer to extend manning, thus creating about 1.5 million in cap space this season....and I would consider cutting or trading Jjo.....but we better have a plan to get another good corner here....
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Idk about extending Manning but keeping him yes I can live with a Duo of Dman and Swearinger. Now to Jjoe I think we keep him and Try for Justin Gilbert in the 2nd if there is no OG/OT the Texans like because Cb help is a must.
 
I would've played Ben Jones at lg from the get go and from what I saw in camp ,Quess should've been the rt. Quessenbury is gonna be a good rt. Great balance and feet,mean streak.
 
I keep seeing people talking about how it's a must we grab 1 or even 2 Olinemen early and I couldn't disagree with that more.

Yeah if they are clearly the bpa, sure, but oline is not as in bad of shape as folks make it seem like IMO. We have some good young players, I think Ryan Harris is serviceable. I with FA's and what we currently have we can be ok.

This is not me saying DONT pick OL early in the draft, I just don't think it's so crucial that we do so meanwhile passing on, IMO, two of the biggest issues on this team outside of QB.

We absolutely have to fix this secondary and this pass rush. I don't know if we have any good pass rushers on this team. Coaches refuse to play anyone besides the guys who aren't getting it done....btw, small rant...I hope that this next coaching staff is not like this one where they don't play/keep guys who show more than guys who are starters. Kubiak drove me nuts with that and wade does too. Give guys a chance. We have to get better at player evaluation.

But yeah..we need to fix this defense something serious. Lots of suck on that side of the ball.
 
Rey said:
I keep seeing people talking about how it's a must we grab 1 or even 2 Olinemen early and I couldn't disagree with that more.

Yeah if they are clearly the bpa, sure, but oline is not as in bad of shape as folks make it seem like IMO. We have some good young players, I think Ryan Harris is serviceable. I with FA's and what we currently have we can be ok.

This is not me saying DONT pick OL early in the draft, I just don't think it's so crucial that we do so meanwhile passing on, IMO, two of the biggest issues on this team outside of QB.

We absolutely have to fix this secondary and this pass rush. I don't know if we have any good pass rushers on this team. Coaches refuse to play anyone besides the guys who aren't getting it done....btw, small rant...I hope that this next coaching staff is not like this one where they don't play/keep guys who show more than guys who are starters. Kubiak drove me nuts with that and wade does too. Give guys a chance. We have to get better at player evaluation.

But yeah..we need to fix this defense something serious. Lots of suck on that side of the ball.
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^^^ This

Scoring points has not been so much the issue (unless we're playing Jax) but haven't been able to stop anyone
 
Rey said:
I keep seeing people talking about how it's a must we grab 1 or even 2 Olinemen early and I couldn't disagree with that more.

Yeah if they are clearly the bpa, sure, but oline is not as in bad of shape as folks make it seem like IMO. We have some good young players, I think Ryan Harris is serviceable. I with FA's and what we currently have we can be ok.

This is not me saying DONT pick OL early in the draft, I just don't think it's so crucial that we do so meanwhile passing on, IMO, two of the biggest issues on this team outside of QB.

We absolutely have to fix this secondary and this pass rush. I don't know if we have any good pass rushers on this team. Coaches refuse to play anyone besides the guys who aren't getting it done....btw, small rant...I hope that this next coaching staff is not like this one where they don't play/keep guys who show more than guys who are starters. Kubiak drove me nuts with that and wade does too. Give guys a chance. We have to get better at player evaluation.

But yeah..we need to fix this defense something serious. Lots of suck on that side of the ball.
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You aren't going to be able to do all of that in 1 draft and add a QB.

This is why I would like to fix the OL/DL this yr and switch to a 4-3 after drafting Clowney. If you do this there wont be enough picks to fix the secondary.
 
Rey said:
We absolutely have to fix this secondary and this pass rush.
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i agree, but i'd take the top tackle in the first and essentially finish the offense by plugging the only real hole (depending on what happens at QB). then you can spend the entire rest of the draft going BPA on defense. it's much easier to do that than to hope to land a starter at a specific position later on ... IMO. of course if we finish 1st drafting a tackle might be overreaching, but in that scenario i'd hope to trade down and follow the path.
 
Tennessee will probably make a coaching change, if so our new coach might consider Bruce Matthews as new OL coach? I feel there is plenty of talent here already, don't forget two young tackles are returning 3rd rd. pick Brennan Williams & 6th rd. David Quessenberry.
 
beerlover said:
Tennessee will probably make a coaching change, if so our new coach might consider Bruce Matthews as new OL coach? I feel there is plenty of talent here already, don't forget two young tackles are returning 3rd rd. pick Brennan Williams & 6th rd. David Quessenberry.
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I'm actually hoping that Tennessee does kick Munchak and his staff to the curb so we can bring Munch and Matthews back here to help build the offensive line. I'd be very surprised if these two men couldn't coach up an OL.
 
Marcus said:
Trade down all the way out of the first round, and get a boatload of seconds.

I'm sick of hearing this "we've got way too much talent" blah blah.
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Agree with trading down, not out of the round but if we don't like anyone at the top then let's not force it. Trade down and pick up some gold later.

But I have a problem with the second part of your post. Well, we have a ton of STARTING talent. But we don't have a ton of depth. Since our team is cursed with injuries, we don't have depth. Bolster the depth. Our team has a ****load of talent, but we're shallow.
 
Scooter said:
i agree, but i'd take the top tackle in the first and essentially finish the offense by plugging the only real hole (depending on what happens at QB). then you can spend the entire rest of the draft going BPA on defense. it's much easier to do that than to hope to land a starter at a specific position later on ... IMO. of course if we finish 1st drafting a tackle might be overreaching, but in that scenario i'd hope to trade down and follow the path.
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Only way I'm taking OL in the first is if I feel they are bpa.

I wouldn't force an OL pick. I think there are other options to solidify that spot.
 
All depends what scheme the new coach wants to run. I think a couple guys were going to be replaced even if Kubiak stuck around. Smith and Newton have been horrible this season in the ZBS. I think DB and Brooks could easily make the transition to a power scheme. Quess looked good in camp, but I'm not certain where he'd fit quite yet. Who knows about this B. Williams cat.

Personally, and this should be a different thread, but I'm more worried about the defense (as usual). Will we stay with the 3-4? Or go with the 4-3? I think we've got the personnel for both, but prefer the 3-4. That said, if Zimmer came in here with his 4-3 I'm pretty sure I wouldn't complain.
 
Hervoyel said:
I'm actually hoping that Tennessee does kick Munchak and his staff to the curb so we can bring Munch and Matthews back here to help build the offensive line. I'd be very surprised if these two men couldn't coach up an OL.
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I'm sure Titan fans would trade them both to us for cheap right now. LOL
 
leebigeztx said:
I would've played Ben Jones at lg from the get go and from what I saw in camp ,Quess should've been the rt. Quessenbury is gonna be a good rt. Great balance and feet,mean streak.
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I'd have put Brooks at LG. He & Brown would have been gelling 4 weeks ago. Converting on third & 1 wouldn't have been a problem. Scoring in the Red Zone wouldn't have been a problem.
 
JB said:
^^^ This

Scoring points has not been so much the issue (unless we're playing Jax) but haven't been able to stop anyone
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Scoring no.... being able to run the ball & eat up the clock, I think that's been our biggest issue. Keep the other team off the field, chew up the clock, let Watt & Smith rest. Then they're better able to force a 3 & out, rinse & repeat.



A dominate running game would have helped Case a whole lot more than it helped Tj.
 
A good kick in the ass. These are supposed to be professional players and coaches. We are getting smoked in every phase of the game, and what do the coaches do ? Nothing they just stand around looking at eachother, how about hold players accountable. What i saw today was the most pathetic performance i have seen from the texans in A LONG TIME.

Wade is not the answer at head coach, case is not the answer at QB. Do we have talent ? Hell yeah we have talent, but they arent inspired. The coaches arent putting players in a position to win. I see a lot of people here saying we need to rebuild. I just dont see it.

We need a coach who can win with what we have, one who players will give 100 percent for. As of now this is a joke, today is the first time i have ever turned the TV off before the game was over. And it was a bad feeling. We are at a crucial point for this franchise. Either Mcnair makes a bold move and gets a young fresh creative mind. Or he goes with a safe pick, wade, smith gruden and we are stuck in prolific NFL hell for the next decade. The choice is urs Mcnair.
 
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