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An Open Letter to Mr. Lestar Jean

rickyb

Scarlet is hot.
Dear Mr. Jean,

You are looking to have a fine preseason, and I hope you make this team. That said, I have a concern. When you catch a pass for a first down, kindly give the ball to the official or simply put it on the ground (ahem, after the whistle). Please stop celebrating first downs -- it's beneath a professional. Save it for when and where it counts: the end zone. Please look to #80 for an example. This fan base does not suffer prima donnas kindly.

Keep up the good work, and know that despite the constructive criticism, I am rooting for you to succeed.

Best Regards,
Rick
 

rickyb

Scarlet is hot.
Yes, I am familiar with a certain WR1 in DET, and I don't like it when he does it either, but I can tolerate a little bit because he is one of the best at his craft.

There are exceptions to the celebration "rule": 3rd and long, keeping a 4th quarter come-from-behind drive alive. Let's not turn my feedback into a debate of boundary conditions. If you disagree, that's great. Everyone has an opinion, and I expressed mine. I observed a pattern of behavior last night in Mr. Jean that started to scratch a certain sensitive nerve, made irritated by a certain WR who was recently shown the door. I don't want this to become a habit. Especially from someone who has yet to play a single snap of regular season NFL football.
 

Perki-Perk

DieHard Texan!
Dear Mr. Jean,

You are looking to have a fine preseason, and I hope you make this team. That said, I have a concern. When you catch a pass for a first down, kindly give the ball to the official or simply put it on the ground (ahem, after the whistle). Please stop celebrating first downs -- it's beneath a professional. Save it for when and where it counts: the end zone. Please look to #80 for an example. This fan base does not suffer prima donnas kindly.

Keep up the good work, and know that despite the constructive criticism, I am rooting for you to succeed.

Best Regards,
Rick
At the risk of coming under fire from the OP, I disagree, respectfully. I quite enjoy the attitude possessed by the likes of Antonio Smith, Arian and Lestar. We need players like that. In my humble opinion. Plus, when I'm fired up after seeing the offense go stagnant, then Lestar helps us to continue moving the chains, by all means, let us know that's good for a Houston Texans....FIRST DOWN!!!!
 

TEXANRED

Texan-American
I like it when players celebrate. The only time I don't is when that guys team is losing by 35 with two minutes left to play.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Yes, I am familiar with a certain WR1 in DET, and I don't like it when he does it either, but I can tolerate a little bit because he is one of the best at his craft.

There are exceptions to the celebration "rule": 3rd and long, keeping a 4th quarter come-from-behind drive alive. Let's not turn my feedback into a debate of boundary conditions. If you disagree, that's great. Everyone has an opinion, and I expressed mine. I observed a pattern of behavior last night in Mr. Jean that started to scratch a certain sensitive nerve, made irritated by a certain WR who was recently shown the door. I don't want this to become a habit. Especially from someone who has yet to play a single snap of regular season NFL football.
Rickyb, you want to give your observation/POV/opinion but do not want anyone to respond? Good luck with that! lol It is okay for you to give your feedback on a player but do not want any feedback on your view? Must be fun to live in your world. I watched gamed last night and am watching repeat right now & will look for that play. I don't recall any exaggerated celebration. I would think if it violated rules, referee would have penalized Texans.

Here's my feedback to you which I hope you receive in same manner you hope the target of your thread receives yours. I suggest you sit quietly where ever you watch our team with your hands in your laps. No verbal expressions of happiness or dismay. Certainly no cheers or amens. Act like you have watched an NFL game before. Just don't this around me because I get rather animated. In fact, I am rather proud of my trademark "Jump to my feet, take two small steps and do a field goal kick while loudly exclaiming OH YEAH! Whoo hoo!" to just about any positive play.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
Really. Doesnt. Matter. Just as long he doesnt break our a sharpee or eat some popcorn and shake some pom-poms I dont care.

He needs to correct the announcers on how to pronounce his name. That bothers me more.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I just watched two plays by Jean 3:58 & 2:36 of second quarter both resulted in first downs. Jean stands up and move his right hand in a motion referees give when marking the ball and showing progress. No wiggles, dances.etc. Much to do about nothing.
 

Premier

Rookie
The only time this should be an issue is when we are in a hurry to score. Otherwise it's pretty common.
i recall kevin walter throwing the ball about 10 yards down field during the texans 2-minute drill in cincy.. poor ref had to run after it and mark the spot in a flash.. since the texans were in a hurry up..
 

hookinreds

Veteran
yes, i am familiar with a certain wr1 in det, and i don't like it when he does it either, but i can tolerate a little bit because he is one of the best at his craft.

There are exceptions to the celebration "rule": 3rd and long, keeping a 4th quarter come-from-behind drive alive. Let's not turn my feedback into a debate of boundary conditions. If you disagree, that's great. Everyone has an opinion, and i expressed mine. I observed a pattern of behavior last night in mr. Jean that started to scratch a certain sensitive nerve, made irritated by a certain wr who was recently shown the door. I don't want this to become a habit. Especially from someone who has yet to play a single snap of regular season nfl football.
spot on!!!
 

Premier

Rookie
maybe youre upset because every catch hes made as a Texan has been a first down, all of them.. hence the first down motion... i hope to see it all season because that means the chains are moving..

i swear texanstalk has the largest collection of grumpy old men across all the interwebs..
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Really. Doesnt. Matter. Just as long he doesnt break our a sharpee or eat some popcorn and shake some pom-poms I dont care.

He needs to correct the announcers on how to pronounce his name. That bothers me more.
Whats wrong with all that ? .... This is entertainment. TO entertained , most of us dont like him cause he didnt / doesnt play for our team .....If he did that playing for us we'd have been jumping for joy.
Dude gave his all for the Iggles playing on a broken foot. He may say some questionable sh!t and full of himself .... But like TO and what he accomplished as a WR.

There are exceptions to the celebration "rule": 3rd and long, keeping a 4th quarter come-from-behind drive alive. Let's not turn my feedback into a debate of boundary conditions. .
He does that when the clock is ticking down in the 4th quarter .... Kubiak's gonna strangle him for wasting precious seconds.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Whats wrong with all that ? .... This is entertainment. TO entertained , most of us dont like him cause he didnt / doesnt play for our team .....If he did that playing for us we'd have been jumping for joy.
Dude gave his all for the Iggles playing on a broken foot. He may say some questionable sh!t and full of himself .... But like TO and what he accomplished as a WR.
Really shocked to hear you say this of all people. I would have been embarrassed if TO was on the Texans pulling all of that crap throughout those years. I'd never want a guy like TO on the Texans. Sure he may have put up great numbers and been a great exciting WR to watch, but he brought teams down and made people miserable to play for him as well as his coaches. He turned his team's success into circus shows. WR's like TO have always historically been more trouble than they're worth and end up getting traded and kicked out of town. Irvin is the only one I can think of that didn't. Irvin was a great leader though, but now that I think of it, he tried to stab a teammate while getting a hair cut.
 

amazing80

Hall of Fame



might as well cut Andre too, can't have all this non-sense of celebrating first downs or showing emotion.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
It seems like many of you are jumping the gun on Lestar Jean already. Sure, he had a great game and it's great to see, but it's pre season. There are pre season warriors every year on all sorts of teams that disappear once the season starts. Have people forgotten of Jacoby Jones and what a beast he was? I'll admit that I got sucked into that at the time. That won't happen again. I'll patiently wait until the season starts and we're 4 or 5 games into it, before I start proclaiming Lestar Jean and Keyshawn Martin these great new WR's for this team. I'm liking what I'm seeing thus far and I hope it continues, but lets wait until we see these guys tearing it up in the regular season before we start acting like these guys are even worth making a fuss over.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Really shocked to hear you say this of all people. I would have been embarrassed if TO was on the Texans pulling all of that crap throughout those years. I'd never want a guy like TO on the Texans. Sure he may have put up great numbers and been a great exciting WR to watch, but he brought teams down and made people miserable to play for him as well as his coaches. He turned his team's success into circus shows. WR's like TO have always historically been more trouble than they're worth and end up getting traded and kicked out of town. Irvin is the only one I can think of that didn't. Irvin was a great leader though, but now that I think of it, he tried to stab a teammate while getting a hair cut.
Honestly we only know one side of the story ..... So he called out a QB for choking .... who puked on the field in a critical situation when he was out there on a broken foot.

Sure he was a circus at other stops .... but you cant dispute his production not competetive fire.


Circus = entertainment.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Honestly we only know one side of the story ..... So he called out a QB for choking .... who puked on the field in a critical situation when he was out there on a broken foot.

Sure he was a circus at other stops .... but you cant dispute his production not competetive fire.


Circus = entertainment.
Is this a serious? Multiple incidents on all these different teams isn't "one side of the story." It's a long pattern of incidents which suggests that his one side has about as much credibility as Casey Anthony's one side of a story.

He tried to humiliate Garcia and make the public think he was gay. What the hell did Garcia ever do to TO? He trashed his O line repeatedly in San Fran and also trashed his HC Marriuchi. He was kicked out of town and went from a hero to a zero over there.

He then was traded to Baltimore and then whined his way out of that trade to become an Eagle. He begged and begged to become an Eagle. Once he became an Eagle he trashed Mcnabb when Mcnabb carried that team to a SB when TO was hurt. What kind of teammate trashes their QB for not winning a SB when that same QB had been to 3 previous conference title games? He then the next season trashed the Eagles management, Mcnabb, and under minded Andy Reid many times to where they had to kick him off the team.

He then got to go to a great Cowboys team where Romo was on fire. He repeatedly threw Romo under the bus, had a problems with Todd Haley early on, had a suicide incident, and was so bad that the entire Cowboys organization had to beg Jerry JOnes to let go of him. Jones even said that he didn't want to, but his entire staff had to convince him.

Even in Buffalo he trashed Trent Dilfer, but it didn't make the news hardly since the Bills were so bad. People act like he behaved, but had that been the case the Bills wouldn't have let him go. He did make negative comments about Dilfer after two games though.

All in all, the guy had pro bowl QB's everywhere he went other than in Buffalo and Cinci and was booted off of every single team and left in shame other than in his last two stops which were considered "last chance" opportunities.

ANd let's not forget his recent problems he caused in the Canadian league or wherever he was playing. THe ****ing guy even got booted out of there for causing problems.

You don't have a leg to stand on to defend TO man. It's like trying to suggest that Hitler was good for Germany.

ANd to suggest that the circus brings entertainment is one of the most asinine things I've ever heard. The circus problems that TO has caused brought teams down and was "bad entertainment." It's a reason why TO wasn't wanted by any teams and is apparently broke without hardly anyone wanting to help.

We don't know "one side of the story" with TO. He said the majority of this stuff publicly. And how do you defend a guy as saying it was his word against another guy's word when his history has proven that he throws everyone under the bus. THeir is no credibility with a guy like that.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Im not defending him for all that garbage Tex , im just saying I have no problem with his celebrations with a sharpie , pompoms or popcorn. Its entertainment. And that for all his faults , you cant question his competetiveness ....
 

FosterGreatness

Practice Squad
Really shocked to hear you say this of all people. I would have been embarrassed if TO was on the Texans pulling all of that crap throughout those years. I'd never want a guy like TO on the Texans. Sure he may have put up great numbers and been a great exciting WR to watch, but he brought teams down and made people miserable to play for him as well as his coaches. He turned his team's success into circus shows. WR's like TO have always historically been more trouble than they're worth and end up getting traded and kicked out of town. Irvin is the only one I can think of that didn't. Irvin was a great leader though, but now that I think of it, he tried to stab a teammate while getting a hair cut.
I completely agree with this. WAY more trouble than it is worth. That's one of the reasons I really like the Texans (other than it being my Hometown team), all of the players are professional. Going to Training Camp and being able to talk to them is enjoyable, you don't have any Dez Bryant types pieces of **** acting a fool.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
I just walked to the kitchen to get some snacks. Upon successfully acquiring said snacks, I did the 1st Down sign...just saying, some got it - some don't.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Im not defending him for all that garbage Tex , im just saying I have no problem with his celebrations with a sharpie , pompoms or popcorn. Its entertainment. And that for all his faults , you cant question his competetiveness ....
I'd never question his competitiveness or his work ethic. But his celebrations and stuff like that is about his self promotion. Guys who focus on that historically have proven to be bad for their teams in the long run. If I had a dollar for every time these guys have claimed that Chad Johnson wasn't a problem I'd be rich. Chad Johnson tried to punch his coach at halftime, drove Carson Palmer crazy, and alienated a lot of his teammates for years in Cinci.

I'll gladly take the great WR that just does his job like AJ, Fitz, Calvin Johnson, and Marvin Harrison.
 

FosterGreatness

Practice Squad
It seems like many of you are jumping the gun on Lestar Jean already. Sure, he had a great game and it's great to see, but it's pre season. There are pre season warriors every year on all sorts of teams that disappear once the season starts. Have people forgotten of Jacoby Jones and what a beast he was? I'll admit that I got sucked into that at the time. That won't happen again. I'll patiently wait until the season starts and we're 4 or 5 games into it, before I start proclaiming Lestar Jean and Keyshawn Martin these great new WR's for this team. I'm liking what I'm seeing thus far and I hope it continues, but lets wait until we see these guys tearing it up in the regular season before we start acting like these guys are even worth making a fuss over.
I watched Lestar Jean in training camp last year and they were doing endzone drills, he was a mirror image of Andre Johnson... making jump ball catches over defenders, the crowd was cheering... it was impressive. This year I didn't see any endzone catches but he made some nice plays in 7 on 7 scrimmages, I also read some reports that he dropped a few passes though.

I'm not saying he will be the next Andre Johnson or anything of that nature but I have been impressed by what I've seen from him both last year and this year. He made some nice plays in both PreSeason games this year. I'm very optimistic about his future and hope he continues to grow.
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
Dear Mr. Jean,

You are looking to have a fine preseason, and I hope you make this team. That said, I have a concern. When you catch a pass for a first down, kindly give the ball to the official or simply put it on the ground (ahem, after the whistle). Please stop celebrating first downs -- it's beneath a professional. Save it for when and where it counts: the end zone. Please look to #80 for an example. This fan base does not suffer prima donnas kindly.

Keep up the good work, and know that despite the constructive criticism, I am rooting for you to succeed.

Best Regards,
Rick
BOOOOOOOooooooo! I don't like the No Fun League. ;)
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
I watched Lestar Jean in training camp last year and they were doing endzone drills, he was a mirror image of Andre Johnson... making jump ball catches over defenders, the crowd was cheering... it was impressive. This year I didn't see any endzone catches but he made some nice plays in 7 on 7 scrimmages, I also read some reports that he dropped a few passes though.

I'm not saying he will be the next Andre Johnson or anything of that nature but I have been impressed by what I've seen from him both last year and this year. He made some nice plays in both PreSeason games this year. I'm very optimistic about his future and hope he continues to grow.
When he made that TD yesterday, I thought it was AJ.

Hopefully the guy can do big things, but I've seen it way to many times where players look great in pre season, and than completely fade away once the season starts. Jacoby Jones was the best example I could think of. Remember how good Vernan Morency used to look in pre season?
 

hookinreds

Veteran



might as well cut Andre too, can't have all this non-sense of celebrating first downs or showing emotion.
When/if he makes an NFL roster, and accomplishes a quarter of what AJ has accomplished in a season, he can do what ever he wants. I'm all for being pumped up on the field...but let's not get over excited for something you are supposed to do anyway. Until then save if for breaking tackles to keep a drive going, a touchdown, or some other spectacular play. Catching a quick out route on 2nd and 6, and running out of bounds for first down is great. When you have history of moving the chains more times than you have dropped passes that would have moved the chains then maybe you can do what you need. I couldn't stand it when 88 did it for the Cowgirls, becuase it was about him every freaking time he touched the ball for a 1st down, and it's killed it for everyone else since then. I don't care if they do it...just not on every single time they make a catch. I'd rather just see them do the celebrating in the endzone.

...and that catch in the picture was a deep ball he went up for against a double team...not some routine first down.
 

GP

Go Texans!
I was conflicted when he did it over and over.

First I was a bit grumpy, but then I figured "Oh well, this guy missed all of last season...had a personal day in preseason THIS year...watches Keshawn Martin straight up owning...and so Jean has some fun in Reliant, in front of real fans in a real game environment, meh...let the big dawg eat. FIRST DOOOWWWNN!!"
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
I was conflicted when he did it over and over.

First I was a bit grumpy, but then I figured "Oh well, this guy missed all of last season...had a personal day in preseason THIS year...watches Keshawn Martin straight up owning...and so Jean has some fun in Reliant, in front of real fans in a real game environment, meh...let the big dawg eat. FIRST DOOOWWWNN!!"
You're gettin' old, you old Curmudgeon! :D
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
Im not defending him for all that garbage Tex , im just saying I have no problem with his celebrations with a sharpie , pompoms or popcorn. Its entertainment. And that for all his faults , you cant question his competetiveness ....
The dude is competitive but not focused on his team winning. He is only focused on himself. Its great to celebrate but everything has its limits. TO is a cancer and thank god we never had him on this team. TO spells team with only the "m" and the "e". I never think of going to a game and leaving talking about the players celebrations and wonder if I was entertained enough. But if you want entertainment go watch the WWE or a movie. I will watch football instead and the occasional spike, first down gesture, a bow and anything else that doesn't scream "its all about me."

Isn't TO the guy that wouldn't visit a childrens hospital or something like that? Or was he clubbing baby seals? I cant remember.
 

EllisUnit

Vote RED!!!
Dear Mr. Jean,

You are looking to have a fine preseason, and I hope you make this team. That said, I have a concern. When you catch a pass for a first down, kindly give the ball to the official or simply put it on the ground (ahem, after the whistle). Please stop celebrating first downs -- it's beneath a professional. Save it for when and where it counts: the end zone. Please look to #80 for an example. This fan base does not suffer prima donnas kindly.

Keep up the good work, and know that despite the constructive criticism, I am rooting for you to succeed.

Best Regards,
Rick
nothing wrong with it IMO
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
I've got no problem with guys making the first down sign when they make a first down. KW does it all the time. AJ does it. OD has done it... I think.

Does not bother me.
 

Blake

MMQB
The only time this should be an issue is when we are in a hurry to score. Otherwise it's pretty common.
Or how about when your shoe comes off and you are going to need to get off the field? haha

I dont care if a guy signals first down. But if you know your shoe is off just flip the ball to the ref, get your shoe back on and get in the huddle, or get off the field and get your shoe back on.
 

Texanmike02

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Dear Mr. Jean,

You are looking to have a fine preseason, and I hope you make this team. **** ****, * **** * *******. ***** *** catch * **** *** * first downs ***** **** *** **** ** *** ******** ******* *** ** ** *** ****** (****, ***** *** *******). ****** **** *********** ***** ****** -- *'* ******* * ************. **** ** *** **** *** ***** ** ******: *** *** ****. Please look to #80 for an example. **** *** **** **** *** ****** ***** ****** ******.

Keep up the good work, and know that ******* *** ************ *********, I am rooting for you to succeed.

Best Regards,
Rick
FIFY.

Mike
 
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