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Coby Fleener TE

LZ is pretty accurate but far as Texans go I could see him giving Smith an opportunity to trade down & pick up an extra 2nd. depending what WR's are still on the board, Coby could actually add some value here without being selected. :)
 
We probably should draft a TE if we don't retain Dreessen. If Fleener can be a Gronk type player, we could let OD go in 2013 and save some money. I think Fleener will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick though. Not sure we can afford to spend that on a TE. There are other guys with that sort of size and speed coming out that will be available in later rounds like Rhett Ellison, George Bryan and Ladarius Green. Personally, I like Green:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIY2E556BdY

Could add some bulk, but has a big frame and long arms. Could be picked up in the 4th round.
 
I don't really want to take a TE high in this draft. Fleener is a beast though.

I would prefer to keep Dreesen. If we lose him let's take George Bryan later in the draft. I think we might have something in Graham and I'd like to get him on the field and see what it is.
 
I'm all over the monster TEs that NE has, and would love to emulate that.

Gotta have huge hands like Gronk, though.
 
Who is the next Jimmy Graham?
The copycat nature of the NFL will lead scouts and coaches to spend most of the week searching for a big, athletic tight end with the ability to create mismatches in the passing game.Coby Fleener could be the next in a long line of game-changing tight ends to hit the NFL.

Stanford's Coby Fleener and Missouri's Michael Egnew enter the week with the biggest fanfare after their highly decorated careers, but they also have the games to match the hype. Both are polished pass catchers with sneaky speed and athleticism, and their natural ability should shine as deep middle threats.

Louisiana-Lafayette's Ladarius Green doesn't rank as a household name yet, but his tantalizing combination of size, speed and athleticism could make him a star by the end of the week. At 6-foot-6, 240 pounds with 4.7 speed, he is the Graham clone that scouts could fall in love with after watching him excel against the competition this week. Graham rose from obscurity to mid-round status following a strong week in Mobile in 2010, and Green could be in line to experience a similar rise with a strong performance.

http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story...nterest-at-senior-bowl?module=HP11_hot_topics
 
beerlover said:
LZ is pretty accurate but far as Texans go I could see him giving Smith an opportunity to trade down & pick up an extra 2nd. depending what WR's are still on the board, Coby could actually add some value here without being selected. :)
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I definitely could see us trading down this year unless someone they love falls. Maybe if Jefferys is there at our pick a team may make us an offer we can't refuse.
 
With Dreesen likely to walk.....and the Kubiak mythos involving TEs and his heavy usage of them....and this draft seeming to have a couple nice picks to make at TE......do we really think this year won't have another TE selection?
 
srrono said:
Who is the next Jimmy Graham?
The copycat nature of the NFL will lead scouts and coaches to spend most of the week searching for a big, athletic tight end with the ability to create mismatches in the passing game.Coby Fleener could be the next in a long line of game-changing tight ends to hit the NFL.

Stanford's Coby Fleener and Missouri's Michael Egnew enter the week with the biggest fanfare after their highly decorated careers, but they also have the games to match the hype. Both are polished pass catchers with sneaky speed and athleticism, and their natural ability should shine as deep middle threats.

Louisiana-Lafayette's Ladarius Green doesn't rank as a household name yet, but his tantalizing combination of size, speed and athleticism could make him a star by the end of the week. At 6-foot-6, 240 pounds with 4.7 speed, he is the Graham clone that scouts could fall in love with after watching him excel against the competition this week. Graham rose from obscurity to mid-round status following a strong week in Mobile in 2010, and Green could be in line to experience a similar rise with a strong performance.

http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story...nterest-at-senior-bowl?module=HP11_hot_topics
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! We don't want other teams to find out about him! Kubes can get him in the 3rd!
 
srrono said:
Who is the next Jimmy Graham?
The copycat nature of the NFL will lead scouts and coaches to spend most of the week searching for a big, athletic tight end with the ability to create mismatches in the passing game.Coby Fleener could be the next in a long line of game-changing tight ends to hit the NFL.

Stanford's Coby Fleener and Missouri's Michael Egnew enter the week with the biggest fanfare after their highly decorated careers, but they also have the games to match the hype. Both are polished pass catchers with sneaky speed and athleticism, and their natural ability should shine as deep middle threats.

Louisiana-Lafayette's Ladarius Green doesn't rank as a household name yet, but his tantalizing combination of size, speed and athleticism could make him a star by the end of the week. At 6-foot-6, 240 pounds with 4.7 speed, he is the Graham clone that scouts could fall in love with after watching him excel against the competition this week. Graham rose from obscurity to mid-round status following a strong week in Mobile in 2010, and Green could be in line to experience a similar rise with a strong performance.

http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story...nterest-at-senior-bowl?module=HP11_hot_topics
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This is who I'd like to see us get also.
 
srrono said:
Who is the next Jimmy Graham?
The copycat nature of the NFL will lead scouts and coaches to spend most of the week searching for a big, athletic tight end with the ability to create mismatches in the passing game.Coby Fleener could be the next in a long line of game-changing tight ends to hit the NFL.

Stanford's Coby Fleener and Missouri's Michael Egnew enter the week with the biggest fanfare after their highly decorated careers, but they also have the games to match the hype. Both are polished pass catchers with sneaky speed and athleticism, and their natural ability should shine as deep middle threats.

Louisiana-Lafayette's Ladarius Green doesn't rank as a household name yet, but his tantalizing combination of size, speed and athleticism could make him a star by the end of the week. At 6-foot-6, 240 pounds with 4.7 speed, he is the Graham clone that scouts could fall in love with after watching him excel against the competition this week. Graham rose from obscurity to mid-round status following a strong week in Mobile in 2010, and Green could be in line to experience a similar rise with a strong performance.

http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story...nterest-at-senior-bowl?module=HP11_hot_topics
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Dutchrudder said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! We don't want other teams to find out about him! Kubes can get him in the 3rd!
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ObsiWan said:
This is who I'd like to see us get also.
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I've seen a little bit of him last year and has it in my notes to check him out this year. I've collected 3 games so far but hasn't got the time to get to it.

However, I stumbled onto a teammate of Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati).
His name is Adrien Robinson.
This guy is listed at 6'6 - 267 lbs.
He's much more fluid than Hill.
I saw him made an incredible catch in a game against the Vols.
(you probably can find it on youtube).
Toward the back of the end zone for a 13yd TD; he didn't need to, but he kept both feet in bound (dragging the second one.)
http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=312532633

There's a few highlights out there including a 72-yd catch and run against Miami (Ohio); this one shows him with great hands and concentration
- unlike Jacoby :ahhaha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZp4K4wTlag&feature=related

This guy may go undrafted, but IMO, he looks more like the 4th rounder that Hill never was.
Better blocking, better hands, better agility and speed.

He doesn't see a lot of pass thrown his way because:
The Bearcats run more than they pass.
They are a spread team that also employ the TE or HB.
They use another TE to share the load since they both have to block.

And look what I found:
He was a receiver in HS.

This is a piece on the Bearcats HS signing in 2007:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/cinn/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/SigningDay.pdf

"Adrien Robinson 6-5 225 WR Indianapolis, Ind.
Warren Central H.S.
Played for first school in Indiana history to win four consecutive state crowns...caught 39 passes for 563 yards and five TDs over his final two years.."
 
srrono said:

Louisiana-Lafayette's Ladarius Green doesn't rank as a household name yet, but his tantalizing combination of size, speed and athleticism could make him a star by the end of the week. At 6-foot-6, 240 pounds with 4.7 speed, he is the Graham clone that scouts could fall in love with after watching him excel against the competition this week. Graham rose from obscurity to mid-round status following a strong week in Mobile in 2010, and Green could be in line to experience a similar rise with a strong performance.

http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story...nterest-at-senior-bowl?module=HP11_hot_topics
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After watching the 3 games, I wonder what the future holds for Green.
He has the build of a receiver.
He lines up more often at receiver than at TE as Louisiana Lafayette runs a system that is close to a pure spread (quite similar to Missouri).

Green has a lot of work to do in the blocking department, especially in-line.
Right now he will look like Dallas Clark against Mario if asked to block the "pretty good" NFL DEs and OLBs.

I'm thinking that he might have to make the switch to receiver or some hybrid role like Casey.
 
he could be used in a similar style as hernandez or graham (to name 2 successful TE's in the league right now) But I agree he doesn't fit what we ask our TE's to do
 
srrono said:
Who is the next Jimmy Graham?
The copycat nature of the NFL will lead scouts and coaches to spend most of the week searching for a big, athletic tight end with the ability to create mismatches in the passing game.Coby Fleener could be the next in a long line of game-changing tight ends to hit the NFL.

Stanford's Coby Fleener and Missouri's Michael Egnew enter the week with the biggest fanfare after their highly decorated careers, but they also have the games to match the hype. Both are polished pass catchers with sneaky speed and athleticism, and their natural ability should shine as deep middle threats.

Louisiana-Lafayette's Ladarius Green doesn't rank as a household name yet, but his tantalizing combination of size, speed and athleticism could make him a star by the end of the week. At 6-foot-6, 240 pounds with 4.7 speed, he is the Graham clone that scouts could fall in love with after watching him excel against the competition this week. Graham rose from obscurity to mid-round status following a strong week in Mobile in 2010, and Green could be in line to experience a similar rise with a strong performance.

http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story...nterest-at-senior-bowl?module=HP11_hot_topics
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Schaub doesn't need a Mike Wallace guy unless he can get a relay man on his deep throws . Green is a smooth player with an 81 inch wingspan , Matt can place the ball where Green can get it .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Schaub doesn't need a Mike Wallace guy unless he can get a relay man on his deep throws . Green is a smooth player with an 81 inch wingspan , Matt can place the ball where Green can get it .
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:spit:

....now that wasn't very nice

The Schaub has his eyes on you now buddy
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I'm the party pooper, but I just don't the see why the penchant for looking at these receiving TEs. Daniels, Dreesen, Graham and if need be Casey more than fulfill those rolls. If Dreesen goes then so be it, if anything I wanna see a blocking TE. The Pats offense is geared to throw and go from the shotgun probably 85% or more, but their WRs on a whole are nothing special so they utilize their TEs a lot more (as they should with the ones they have). I see our offense much different, with way more balance. A few years ago everyone (probably me too) here, was dogging Kubiak for taking so many TEs. Forget Belichick, we need to focus on our own things. I know we have lots of talent and adding quality depth is the luxury of that but we do have needs within that depth.
 
beerlover said:
Fleener could be the missing link :)
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LZ is pretty accurate in terms of talent, but far as Texans go could you see them taking a TE in the first round? Let's view it from BPA perspective, if Fleener is higher rated than Sanu & Wright, Alshon & Floyd are already selected would Coby have the higher grade on Texan board? IF Dreessen leaves via free agency it may bump that possiblity higher than we think it is right now.
 
Fleener in a 2 TE set would be dangerous. But The run game, which is the Texans bread and butter would probably suffer. That's why I would either improve the OL/DL or WR. Provided there was value in the pick @ 26.
 
I don't think we take Fleener with 26. I think he ends up with Indy after they let Dallas Clark go. By the way, we could pick up Dallas Clark in FA along with Peyton and Reggie Wayne. That would be pretty sweet.... :D
 
can't remember where i read it but Kubiack said in an interview that his happy taking TE middle to late rounds, since his days in denver.

OD = 4th round
Casey = 5th round
Graham = 4th round
Dreesen = 6th round (by the jets though)

so given that i don't think we select a TE in the first, Kubes can work with lower drafted players just has to get "his" guy
 
If we feel like we absolutely need a TE in this draft then I would like George Bryan from North Carolina St. I think he fits our offense very well and he could be had relatively cheap. I've seen 5th-6th round mostly around his name. I've got him graded as a 3rd rounder but I'm higher on him than most are.
 
I wouldn't hate it if we drafted Fleener. I don't think people here realize how much we rely on Dreeson in the red zone. He's thirty years old and a free agent. This Guy with his size and hands could be huge for us. This might even be a better way of going than drafting a WR in the first.
 
mussop said:
I wouldn't hate it if we drafted Fleener. I don't think people here realize how much we rely on Dreeson in the red zone. He's thirty years old and a free agent. This Guy with his size and hands could be huge for us. This might even be a better way of going than drafting a WR in the first.
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I don't think Fleener will be the pick, and I know for sure that if he was the majority of fans would be bitching like crazy.

But I would actually be satisfied with that as well. We run a lot of 2 TE sets and Fleener would be damn good in our offense. He is far and away the most complete TE in this draft.
 
I really like Fleener, smart football player, great hands/size combo, stronger than people realize enough to chip on the edge against OLB's/DE's to help LT adding plus pass protection as needed. I would rank him close enough to the next set of WR's to take a serious look & bring him here for a workout.
 
TimeKiller said:
Dwayne Allen or Coby Fleener?
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I don't think there is anything special about Dwayne Allen at all. He is just benefiting from a weak class at TE. I don't think the guy is awful, but he's not as good as Kyle Rudolph, who was the top TE last year and didn't go until #43.

I think Fleener is the best in this class, and really the only guy worth getting excited about.
 
How about Orson Charles? I think he's got the potential to be a devastating slot receiver, running routes over the middle, catching and turning up field and then you've got a big, fast dude to catch and bring down in the 2ndary. Only problem is he's a total TE/WR tweener. Still, he's got lots of skill to be molded and freak athleticism to boot. For a 1st round pick it would get slammed but do you really think he lasts to the Texans 2nd or 3rd rounds?
 
Reported numbers from his pro day.

6'6 247 pounds
37' vertical
10 foot plus broad jump
4.41(Mayock) - 4.45(ESPN) 40 time

Those are monster numbers for his size
 
aussie_texan said:
can't remember where i read it but Kubiack said in an interview that his happy taking TE middle to late rounds, since his days in denver.

OD = 4th round
Casey = 5th round
Graham = 4th round
Dreesen = 6th round (by the jets though)

so given that i don't think we select a TE in the first, Kubes can work with lower drafted players just has to get "his" guy
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The only one of these guys that could be considered an elite athlete that might create mismatches is Casey. The rest are great TEs in the class mold. They find soft spots in coverage, great hands, good football IQ...but none are going to create the kind of mismatches that Vernon Davis or Rob Gronk do.

mussop said:
I wouldn't hate it if we drafted Fleener. I don't think people here realize how much we rely on Dreeson in the red zone. He's thirty years old and a free agent. This Guy with his size and hands could be huge for us. This might even be a better way of going than drafting a WR in the first.
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Repped.

We've done a MUCH better job developing our TEs than WRs. Two elite athletes at TE has worked well for the Pats.
 
If he is available at our pick, which I doubt since he posted a 4.45 40 at his pro day at 6'6" 250lb, would you be against drafting another TE? I feel like we could have our own version of Gronkowski & Hernandez with Fleener&OD. Then you add in the fact we will have Casey as fullback and Andre at WR, that gives Schuab four very good options. I honestly believe that unless Floyd drops to us, we shouldn't think twice about drafting Fleener if he is available at our pick.
 
I'm not totally against the idea. I'd prefer a different position but if Kubes and Smith think he's hands down an elite talent and much better than anyone else available then let's do it.

I feel like our TEs are more like Receivers anyways than the typical TE that people think of. If he would create mismatches much like a WR that would be there at #26... then that'd be great.

I do really want to see Graham step up and show us what he's made of. I hate to say it but I can see Daniels being a cap casualty next season. He could either find the same fate as Winston, or, more ideally, Demeco. I don't want to turn this into a "trade OD" discussion but we have to think of that possibility. We'd either be left with Graham + 2012 4th rd TE + Casey.... or Fleener + Graham + Casey.


PS - http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89143
 
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DX-TEX said:
Nope.

First pick will be WR or OLB. Book it!
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Blake said:
Oh God no. Kubes likes TE's in the 4-5th round. First round is 50-50 LB, WR.
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This is ridiculous.


Here's the big picture. Our depth at nearly all positions sucks!!!! Any injury to a starter this year and there will be a big drop off. We had good solid depth last year but they are all starters this year.

All I have been reading is how we have to draft a WR with one of our first two picks. How loosing Mario Williams means we need to add an OLB really early. Actually they are probably our two deepest positions behind QB and RB.

We are going to be fine as far as our starting units go, it's depth when our starters go down thats going to hurt us. We don't have much money for FA though I'm sure we will find a way to add a little depth here and there but our main focus on getting this team up to par depth wise will be via the draft. We will not be able to draft depth at every position so forget that line of thinking.

The early rounds of this draft need to be BPA that can come in and make the most impact followed by purely BPA.

We are weak in nearly every position depth wise.

WR is actually one of the least weak positions

JOHNSON, ANDRE Jones, Jacoby Jean, Lestar Iglesias, Juaquin
WALTER, KEVIN Maehl, Jeff Holliday, Trindon

LB's Inside is weak but Bramen and Nading aren't as bad as some of the backups at other positions.

LOLB 57 Nading, Jesse
LILB 97 Smith, Derrell
RILB 54 Alexander, Mister
ROLB 50 Braman, Bryan

Now take a look at the other positions depth.

FB Casey?

TE A lot depends on what they intend to do with Casey. I don't see them moving him back to TE after letting Vickers go. Graham has been a non factor since we drafted him. Why all the sudden anyone thinks he is going to become something is beyond me.

OL The depth here sucks. Which of these guys do you feel comfortable with starting?

LT 75 Newton, Derek
LG 61 Austin, Thomas
C 79 Wallace, Cody
RG 71 Smith, Shelley
RT 66 Gardner, Andrew

DL The depth here sucks. Again, Any of our starters go down we are in deep doodoo!

LDE 91 Harris, Sunny
NT 92 Mitchell, Earl
RDE 96 Jamison, Tim

Secondary Nolan and McCain are solid backups the rest are blah.

LCB 26 Harris, Brandon 36 Carmichael, Roc
SS 31 Keo, Shiloh
FS 33 Nolan, Troy 42Williams, Torri
RCB 21 McCain, Brice 22 McManis, Sherrick

The point is we need depth all over the place and WR while not a strength is not as depleted as some other positions. OLB is solid as far as our starters go and the depth has some talent. Fleener would do more for this offense and team than any OLB or WR we could get at 26. Think how beneficial it would be to have a 6'6" TE with great hands out there on 3rd and long or in the red zone.

Not to mention OD's injury history and large contract. Egnew in the 3rd or 4th might be an option as well. Other than them two I haven't really seen anyone that has impressed me a whole lot at TE.
 
record said:
How come no threads about the Texans possibly taking this guy? We love to draft TEs. After what Gronkowski did last year, this guy is going to move up the boards. I'm not saying the Texans should draft him, just that he deserves his own thread. He is going to be really good for somebody, I think.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/coby-fleener-creates-buzz-at-stanford-pro-day/

This scouting report compares him to OD:

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012cfleener.php
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I would say Michael Egnew is the OD of this draft. Fleener is way better than OD was coming out.
 
mussop said:
This is ridiculous.


Here's the big picture. Our depth at nearly all positions sucks!!!! Any injury to a starter this year and there will be a big drop off. We had good solid depth last year but they are all starters this year.

All I have been reading is how we have to draft a WR with one of our first two picks. How loosing Mario Williams means we need to add an OLB really early. Actually they are probably our two deepest positions behind QB and RB.

We are going to be fine as far as our starting units go, it's depth when our starters go down thats going to hurt us. We don't have much money for FA though I'm sure we will find a way to add a little depth here and there but our main focus on getting this team up to par depth wise will be via the draft. We will not be able to draft depth at every position so forget that line of thinking.

The early rounds of this draft need to be BPA that can come in and make the most impact followed by purely BPA.

We are weak in nearly every position depth wise.

WR is actually one of the least weak positions

JOHNSON, ANDRE Jones, Jacoby Jean, Lestar Iglesias, Juaquin
WALTER, KEVIN Maehl, Jeff Holliday, Trindon

LB's Inside is weak but Bramen and Nading aren't as bad as some of the backups at other positions.

LOLB 57 Nading, Jesse
LILB 97 Smith, Derrell
RILB 54 Alexander, Mister
ROLB 50 Braman, Bryan

Now take a look at the other positions depth.

FB Casey?

TE A lot depends on what they intend to do with Casey. I don't see them moving him back to TE after letting Vickers go. Graham has been a non factor since we drafted him. Why all the sudden anyone thinks he is going to become something is beyond me.

OL The depth here sucks. Which of these guys do you feel comfortable with starting?

LT 75 Newton, Derek
LG 61 Austin, Thomas
C 79 Wallace, Cody
RG 71 Smith, Shelley
RT 66 Gardner, Andrew

DL The depth here sucks. Again, Any of our starters go down we are in deep doodoo!

LDE 91 Harris, Sunny
NT 92 Mitchell, Earl
RDE 96 Jamison, Tim

Secondary Nolan and McCain are solid backups the rest are blah.

LCB 26 Harris, Brandon 36 Carmichael, Roc
SS 31 Keo, Shiloh
FS 33 Nolan, Troy 42Williams, Torri
RCB 21 McCain, Brice 22 McManis, Sherrick

The point is we need depth all over the place and WR while not a strength is not as depleted as some other positions. OLB is solid as far as our starters go and the depth has some talent. Fleener would do more for this offense and team than any OLB or WR we could get at 26. Think how beneficial it would be to have a 6'6" TE with great hands out there on 3rd and long or in the red zone.

Not to mention OD's injury history and large contract. Egnew in the 3rd or 4th might be an option as well. Other than them two I haven't really seen anyone that has impressed me a whole lot at TE.
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Good post mussop. I like Fleener and think you make a good case for drafting him. One downside to him though is he is not known for his blocking. I'm with you on Graham. Why is it that everyone has him penciled in as a starter along with Daniels when he has done nothing but ride the pine to this point? Also, Daniels is the last remaining 2006 draftee who is an injury away from retirement and would probably have been cut by now if they thought Graham was all that. He still could be a June 1st cut if they do draft Fleener.

My gut feeling is that the Texans will draft OLB or DT in the 1st round while using WR as a smokescreen. To me none of the receivers that are projected to be available at 26 are worth the investment. The Texans need their 1st rounder to help immediately. NFL Network or maybe it was ESPN did a piece on the wr position in today's nfl and surprisingly alot of the top receivers come from small colleges and were late round picks or udfa. They attributed this to the fact that more kids want to be a wr nowadays instead of a rb and thus more talent in the pool. They sited Closton, Cruz, Welker, Austin and some others. It used to be that rb was the premier offensive position outside of qb. It boils down to the way football in general has evolved over the last 20 or so years.
 
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record said:
How come no threads about the Texans possibly taking this guy? We love to draft TEs. After what Gronkowski did last year, this guy is going to move up the boards. I'm not saying the Texans should draft him, just that he deserves his own thread. He is going to be really good for somebody, I think.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/coby-fleener-creates-buzz-at-stanford-pro-day/

This scouting report compares him to OD:

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012cfleener.php
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Because we get guys like OD, Casey, Dreesen and Graham in later rounds.
 
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