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EllisUnit

EllisUnit

Vote RED!!!
Why did Yates go for the Homerun on the last 2 drives, the second to last drive we had plenty of time and AJ was not open. So why not just pick up a 1st down, and on the last drive we needed 3 yards for a 1st down, then spike the ball and still have 2 shots. So why were we continually trying to hit the home run late in the game.

With all that said i am proud of the Texans, and our future is looking really bright. Heres to a healthy Schaub and a Superbowl victory next season.
 
EllisUnit said:
Why did Yates go for the Homerun on the last 2 drives, the second to last drive we had plenty of time and AJ was not open. So why not just pick up a 1st down, and on the last drive we needed 3 yards for a 1st down, then spike the ball and still have 2 shots. So why were we continually trying to hit the home run late in the game.

With all that said i am proud of the Texans, and our future is looking really bright. Heres to a healthy Schaub and a Superbowl victory next season.
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wasn't going to matter, Reed and Pollard were playing so deep.....

This game was lost as soon as Jacoby Jones fumbled the ball and gave them 7 points...
 
BullNation4Life said:
wasn't going to matter, Reed and Pollard were playing so deep.....

This game was lost as soon as Jacoby Jones fumbled the ball and gave them 7 points...
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i agree but i think Yates 4 INTs helped them out a little. WHY in the hell did we have to lose Schaub this season ? We should of blown the ravens out, they got no pressure on Yates all day and our Defense was all over Flacco all game long.
 
2 minutes to play, 2 time outs, and Foster has 132 yards rushing, and our play is to throw the ball to the goal line. That's what I don't understand.
 
PhilpW said:
2 minutes to play, 2 time outs, and Foster has 132 yards rushing, and our play is to throw the ball to the goal line. That's what I don't understand.
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well i'm not saying run it, hell have a couple of short crossing routes, maybe a few dump offs to the TEs. But u dont throw the ball up for grabs with 2 minutes left and 2 time outs.
 
PhilpW said:
2 minutes to play, 2 time outs, and Foster has 132 yards rushing, and our play is to throw the ball to the goal line. That's what I don't understand.
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times a million. If this is on Dennison or Kubiak or Yates? That was just dumb football no matter how you cut it. At least get on a shorter field. Take one more shot, spike it and get a game winner out of it. Don't take that risk man. Dumb dumb dumb play. So dumb. We had this game. We had it. Dumb play.
 
NastyNate said:
times a million. If this is on Dennison or Kubiak or Yates? That was just dumb football no matter how you cut it. At least get on a shorter field. Take one more shot, spike it and get a game winner out of it. Don't take that risk man. Dumb dumb dumb play. So dumb. We had this game. We had it. Dumb play.
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More "they were covering the sidelines" than anything. But I see your point, man.
 
NastyNate said:
times a million. If this is on Dennison or Kubiak or Yates? That was just dumb football no matter how you cut it. At least get on a shorter field. Take one more shot, spike it and get a game winner out of it. Don't take that risk man. Dumb dumb dumb play. So dumb. We had this game. We had it. Dumb play.
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Lance Zierlein said Yates had a TE open underneath on that 4th and 2 play. Anybody have it DVRed?
 
While I love Schaub been a huge supporter, I think our offenes runs better with a more mobile QB behind center. That said, TJ won't be ready to lead this team for at least another 2 seasons. Any good seasons we get out of Matt Schaub after that are bonus
 
EllisUnit said:
i agree but i think Yates 4 INTs helped them out a little. WHY in the hell did we have to lose Schaub this season ? We should of blown the ravens out, they got no pressure on Yates all day and our Defense was all over Flacco all game long.
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3 wasn't it? Yeah but I expected a rookie QB to look bad against the Ravens. that is allot to ask of a rookie QB...

Howeva...I expect a 4 year veteran who's sole position on this team is to field punts and to use his head while fielding those punts and he, after time and time again, fails on this level...

7 pt lose when the Ravens second possession was on the Texans 2 yard line because of????
 
EllisUnit said:
Why did Yates go for the Homerun on the last 2 drives, the second to last drive we had plenty of time and AJ was not open. So why not just pick up a 1st down, and on the last drive we needed 3 yards for a 1st down, then spike the ball and still have 2 shots. So why were we continually trying to hit the home run late in the game.

With all that said i am proud of the Texans, and our future is looking really bright. Heres to a healthy Schaub and a Superbowl victory next season.
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You're going to have to ask TJ that question. He saw something that wasn't there. I have a feeling Ed Reed did what he usually does, which is bait QBs to bad throws. Yates tried to look off the safety, then went to AJ... who was open if he was just singled covered. But Reed made a good play. So you'll have to ask TJ why he didn't account for Reed on that play.
 
That ball hit KDub in the shoulder. He should have caught that ball. I dont like or understand the call, but we had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play. It was t right call, Walters just has to make that catch, if it was Jacoby, I understand the hate, but it was our best hands guy & he choked.

This game, play-offs is about stepping up. Everybody is on Jacoby, but he's our 3rd WR. Kdub is #2 & he doesn't compare to other team's #2.

I understand everybody being upset that Jacoby hasn't stepped up & taken that spot. But what about the guy in that spot?
 
dream_team said:
You're going to have to ask TJ that question. He saw something that wasn't there. I have a feeling Ed Reed did what he usually does, which is bait QBs to bad throws. Yates tried to look off the safety, then went to AJ... who was open if he was just singled covered. But Reed made a good play. So you'll have to ask TJ why he didn't account for Reed on that play.
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Yates stared quarters that whole play. You can re-watch it a thousand times and there is no argument. You're delusional man.
 
Yates made some really nice throws today. I don't want to only focus on the picks.

Other than making a decent recovery of a fumble, Jones did nothing good and a lot bad.
 
thunderkyss said:
That ball hit KDub in the shoulder. He should have caught that ball. I dont like or understand the call, but we had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play. It was t right call, Walters just has to make that catch, if it was Jacoby, I understand the hate, but it was our best hands guy & he choked.

This game, play-offs is about stepping up. Everybody is on Jacoby, but he's our 3rd WR. Kdub is #2 & he doesn't compare to other team's #2.

I understand everybody being upset that Jacoby hasn't stepped up & taken that spot. But what about the guy in that spot?
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Nobody but Foster steped up for us on offense or special teams. We outplayed the Ravens but they made plays when they needed to and we did not. We just blew a chance to go to the superbowl, hope we get another one.
 
play was trips right side with owen jacoby and walters and Andre left side single coverage. Everyone went go routes. I don't know why the hell they called it. Arian shoulda seen the lack of coverage and bounced out of the pocket for the check route.
 
utahmark said:
Nobody but Foster steped up for us on offense or special teams. We outplayed the Ravens but they made plays when they needed to and we did not. We just blew a chance to go to the superbowl, hope we get another one.
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Um AJ had a pretty nice game for getting doubled all day....
 
BullNation4Life said:
Um AJ had a pretty nice game for getting doubled all day....
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He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?
 
I don't understand the Hail Mary. We possibly had time for one more play.

That aside, I think TJ forgot today that we had TE's
 
utahmark said:
Nobody but Foster steped up for us on offense or special teams. We outplayed the Ravens but they made plays when they needed to and we did not. We just blew a chance to go to the superbowl, hope we get another one.
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the OL and Andre stepped up as well. Bigtime. Though there were a couple passes Andre should have had, one might have even gone for a TD since he had Suggs on him.
 
my best guess is that kubiak felt that this was our best shot at the endzone. with a 4th and short, it pulled the defense into a relatively more realistic coverage - whereas if we convert baltimore puts their hands team on the field to sit in the endzone.
 
Scooter said:
my best guess is that kubiak felt that this was our best shot at the endzone. with a 4th and short, it pulled the defense into a relatively more realistic coverage - whereas if we convert baltimore puts their hands team on the field to sit in the endzone.
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This! ^^^
 
Scooter said:
my best guess is that kubiak felt that this was our best shot at the endzone. with a 4th and short, it pulled the defense into a relatively more realistic coverage - whereas if we convert baltimore puts their hands team on the field to sit in the endzone.
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I always say that 4th and short with no timeouts looking for a score is the WORST situation you can get in. They know you are looking to the sideline, and over the middle is literally dead because you'll lose most, if not all, the time.
 
utahmark said:
He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?
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When the defender is camping out all day between AJ and TJ AND TJ still throws it - not sure what you want AJ to do:kubepalm:
 
utahmark said:
He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?
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AJ wasn't doubled all day. C'mon man. I typed this in another thread. We wouldn't even move our best corner to matchup against him and we didn't. He was covered by Webb on his side, or Cary Williams on his. Jimmy Smith in the nickel. Ed Reed over the top for support.

You can lay blame for a couple of the INT's on TJ as passes he should have never thrown. 1'st pick against AJ. TJ was throwing to him no matter what and Webb had position on AJ the whole route.

Someone just forgot to tell TJ what every other QB knows...Do NOT throw anywhere near Ed Reed.
 
NastyNate said:
Yates stared quarters that whole play. You can re-watch it a thousand times and there is no argument. You're delusional man.
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Why am I delusional? I just said you'll have to ask Yates why he made that play. Why did he throw that when he was clearly covered over the top.
 
TEXANS4MARIO said:
When the defender is camping out all day between AJ and TJ AND TJ still throws it - not sure what you want AJ to do:kubepalm:
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Tackle him if he has to. Defensive backs make that play all day without getting a penalty. AJ should take some of the blame today. You guys always wonder why we never throw the ball up for him to out fight the defender and today I think we saw why. That is not one of his strengths, the defenders win to many of those battles.
 
BullNation4Life said:
wasn't going to matter, Reed and Pollard were playing so deep.....

This game was lost as soon as Jacoby Jones fumbled the ball and gave them 7 points...
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Rarely is it that simple, but in this case, it's close to that simple. With a rookie QB playing against one of the toughest defenses in the NFL, the last thing you want to do is spot them an early lead and the momentum. If the team was playing from ahead today, Yates doesn't make a few of those bad throws. Who knows how it would have turned out, obviously, but the single worst play in the game was that early game changer.
 
utahmark said:
He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?
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Yeah, he saved two picks when he tackled Ray Lewis on short route and swatted Reed in the head by the end zone in the second half....
 
OntRavenFan said:
AJ wasn't doubled all day. C'mon man. I typed this in another thread. We wouldn't even move our best corner to matchup against him and we didn't. He was covered by Webb on his side, or Cary Williams on his. Jimmy Smith in the nickel. Ed Reed over the top for support.

You can lay blame for a couple of the INT's on TJ as passes he should have never thrown. 1'st pick against AJ. TJ was throwing to him no matter what and Webb had position on AJ the whole route.

Someone just forgot to tell TJ what every other QB knows...Do NOT throw anywhere near Ed Reed.
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You must of misread my post.
 
I hate anybody who tells me "Games arent won or lost in the first quarter." You know what? sometimes they are.

That ****ing BRAINFART put us in the position to have to throw way more than we wanted to. Shifted momentum, gave them FREE 7 points. Pathetic on the offense sans Foster/OL/Andre for their inability to do anything and especially TJ to make throws even rookies shouldn't make.

Changed the entire complexion of the game.

And it chaps my ass. The defense did EVERYTHING. I'm not sure I've ever seen any offensive or defensive unit give it their all like those boys did out there today, and the team WASTED it.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I hate anybody who tells me "Games arent won or lost in the first quarter." You know what? sometimes they are.

That ****ing BRAINFART put us in the position to have to throw way more than we wanted to. Shifted momentum, gave them FREE 7 points. Pathetic on the offense sans Foster/OL/Andre for their inability to do anything and especially TJ to make throws even rookies shouldn't make.

Changed the entire complexion of the game.

And it chaps my ass. The defense did EVERYTHING. I'm not sure I've ever seen any offensive or defensive unit give it their all like those boys did out there today, and the team WASTED it.
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Meh, I guess. Really only a couple guys.
 
thunderkyss said:
That ball hit KDub in the shoulder. He should have caught that ball. I dont like or understand the call, but we had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play. It was t right call, Walters just has to make that catch, if it was Jacoby, I understand the hate, but it was our best hands guy & he choked.

This game, play-offs is about stepping up. Everybody is on Jacoby, but he's our 3rd WR. Kdub is #2 & he doesn't compare to other team's #2.

I understand everybody being upset that Jacoby hasn't stepped up & taken that spot. But what about the guy in that spot?
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Spot on!!!
KW had a bead on the ball until he saw the big pileup coming. Then he ducked his head and the ball hit him in the back.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I hate anybody who tells me "Games arent won or lost in the first quarter." You know what? sometimes they are.

That ****ing BRAINFART put us in the position to have to throw way more than we wanted to. Shifted momentum, gave them FREE 7 points. Pathetic on the offense sans Foster/OL/Andre for their inability to do anything and especially TJ to make throws even rookies shouldn't make.

Changed the entire complexion of the game.

And it chaps my ass. The defense did EVERYTHING. I'm not sure I've ever seen any offensive or defensive unit give it their all like those boys did out there today, and the team WASTED it.
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I disagree. If Jacoby's brainfart is the only turnover of the day, we win the game 13-6 or go to overtime 13-13.

Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.
 
ObsiWan said:
I disagree. If Jacoby's brainfart is the only turnover of the day, we win the game 13-6 or go to overtime 13-13.

Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.
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That one play gave the Ravens 7 points directly. TJ Yates did some rookie stupidity, but Jacoby is a ****ing veteran. Changed the entire complexion of the game, and I really don't see how my opinion can be changed on that.
 
We lost this game because Yates sucked, simple as that. I HATE Jones and he IMO played himself off this roster this year, but Yates lost this game. To go to Baltimore and play like he did and turn the ball over like that means we have ZERO shot at winning.

And the 4th and 2 call, we had 22 seconds left, get the first over the middle and spike it, leaving 12-15 seconds left. Then throw some out routes....get to the 25 or so and then do deep crosses in the endzone, but to just hail mary....WEAK.

Yates proved he is not the future RIGHT NOW. He is not ready to lead this team and he cannot read a defense to save his life. Next year is looking bright if Schaub can come back strong......

Terrible loss today, but hopefully it sticks with the team next year and motivates them to win it all.
 
ObsiWan said:
I disagree. If Jacoby's brainfart is the only turnover of the day, we win the game 13-6 or go to overtime 13-13.

Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.
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That play led directly to some of the situational decisions that you'd rather not see made with Yates at QB. The team played from behind all day and that was because of Jacoby Jones. The offense has not been cranking out many points since Schaub went down, and that's without facing one of the toughest defenses in the NFL. When you're facing the Ravens D, you can't spot them a free TD to start the game. Remember, that punt only happened because the Texans D held the Ravens to a 3-and-out to start the game. Between Manning's kick return and the forced punt, the team started off exactly the way you'd want to see against that team. And Jacoby ruined it all in one play. It changed the complexion of the game because it changed the playcalling and took the Texans away from their gameplan.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
That one play gave the Ravens 7 points directly. TJ Yates did some rookie stupidity, but Jacoby is a ****ing veteran. Changed the entire complexion of the game, and I really don't see how my opinion can be changed on that.
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hahahaha... I should know better than to talk to you when you're pissed.
:D

But TJ's first pick damn near gave the Ravens the ball in the red zone. Five plays later its 17-3. If TJ protects the ball - which should be a young QB's first priority - then we go into halftime up 13-10.
 
That's what bothers me. I don't care what anyone says. We lost this game, they didn't win it. They didn't even come close to winning it. I have absolutely no idea what THEY did ON THEIR OWN to win.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
That's what bothers me. I don't care what anyone says. We lost this game, they didn't win it. They didn't even come close to winning it. I have absolutely no idea what THEY did ON THEIR OWN to win.
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And there is no guarantee we get another shot. It's freaking 2012 is'nt the world supposed to end?
 
ObsiWan said:
Spot on!!!
KW had a bead on the ball until he saw the big pileup coming. Then he ducked his head and the ball hit him in the back.
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I just watched it. Looked like someone got a finger on it to change the flight of the ball just a tad, or Walter might have had it.
 
ObsiWan said:
Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.
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I agree with this.

I'm not defending Jacoby, nor do I care if he is on this team next year. but, he's not our #2 receiver, that guy hasn't shown up all year, but no one talks about that.

But, even with the Jacoby miff..... we were still in the game. We did not score 1 point in the second half.

for all I know, if it weren't for those early points "relaxing" the Ravens, we may not have scored all day playing the way we played.

We start the 2nd half, down by 4. The defense gets Baltimore off the field..... That was our game from then on. Whatever happened after that 3 & out (our defense forcing to start the 3rd Qtr) that's why we lost the game.

Blaming Jacoby for something that happened in the 1st qtr.... that's just scapegoating.
 
eriadoc said:
That play led directly to some of the situational decisions that you'd rather not see made with Yates at QB. The team played from behind all day and that was because of Jacoby Jones.
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I kinda agree.... I have no problem with the way the first half played out. But.... Gary should have told the guys it was a 0-0 game coming out of the half & played that way.

Instead, he still has Tj trying to force the ball down the field.

1 interception, even 2 I can understand overlooking. But 3?

These weren't, "oh, he just didn't see that safety" interceptions.

& that don't count the ones Lewis & Reed dropped.
 
i dont know ill have to re watch that i guess the brett farve came out of him :kitten: i was serious saying in my head after the 3rd INT man bench this fool and put in jake delhomne and see if he can pull a insane last drive of his football career
 
scourge said:
I don't understand the Hail Mary. We possibly had time for one more play.

That aside, I think TJ forgot today that we had TE's
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Gotta agree with you on that, you guys had atleast 1 more play before the Hail Mary was even considered.

I'll leave you guys alone, but you guys did a number on us,let me tell you. You could tell we had a bye, i think our O line went on vacation during the bye and forgot to come back,lol. Your guys defense played lights out.


Anyways, good luck Next year. You guys are 1 qb short of being a full complete Team.
 
NFLN broke down Reed's int pretty well. Plain & simple, a bad decision by Yates. Reed was playing center field and watching Yates eyes. Yates was looking at AJ the whole way, so easy for Reed to run over and make the play.

Also, I didn't notice it during the game, but that hail mary hit Kevin Walter on the shoulder... no Raven knocked it down. WTF? Why wasn't Walter looking for the ball. Seems like would have been an easy catch for him.
 
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