The Medic01
Waterboy
We are only averaging 17.5 ppg with Yates which isn't great. If our running game doesn't get going in all the playoff games we're in trouble. what do you think can running game and defense get us far in the playoffs?
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Anyone else concerned about Offense
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I've been concerned about our offense from the moment Schaub was listed as being gone for the season. Anyone who wasn't, was completely fooling themselves.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Yes. It's very concerning. We haven't scored over 20 points in the last 4 games. That's worrisome. The Jaguars game I can understand since Leinart going down was completely unexpected. But the last 3 just make me nervous. Especially yesterday's game. We were able to drive the ball well enough to score, but since Schaub went down we've been settling for FG's way too much. If we don't score over 20 against the Colts and Titans, then we could be in big trouble.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
not much to fear as a defense with nothing on the outside and a 3rd string qb making decisions. hopefully dre will come back ready to rock n roll
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I am not concerned about Atlanta. We over achieved. Bengals, we came out flat and came back to win. We are the better team.
Coming out flat and playing from multiple scores from behind is starting to concern me. Bengals and Carolina. And our recent inability to put up big points is concerning.
Now the Falcons and Bengals are better than the teams we had been playing - tampa, the browns, and others are considerable drop offs compared to the Falcons and Bengals.
But we played like crap yesterday. Team was flat. We were playing from multiple scores behind so our game plan was jacked up. All the players had some suckage yesterday. Foster fumbled, yates interceptions, offenseive line penalties, defense got embarrassed, Rackers missed fg, etc. That's a game we should have won. Turnovers are changing the pace of the game. We are beginning to show our key players that are out are being missed. But that doesn't mean we should limit our expectations. We can still win and win big.
The next two games we need to win by a few scores. We need TDs. We need to show our offense is explosive against indy and Tennessee and win with conviction. They are still the same teams we blew out. I want to see us score mid twenties to thirty points. If that doesn't happen, I will get majorly concerned about losing our first game in the playoffs. Wildcard or the bye. Right now it is more of a minor concern when I put things in perspective.
Coming out flat and playing from multiple scores from behind is starting to concern me. Bengals and Carolina. And our recent inability to put up big points is concerning.
Now the Falcons and Bengals are better than the teams we had been playing - tampa, the browns, and others are considerable drop offs compared to the Falcons and Bengals.
But we played like crap yesterday. Team was flat. We were playing from multiple scores behind so our game plan was jacked up. All the players had some suckage yesterday. Foster fumbled, yates interceptions, offenseive line penalties, defense got embarrassed, Rackers missed fg, etc. That's a game we should have won. Turnovers are changing the pace of the game. We are beginning to show our key players that are out are being missed. But that doesn't mean we should limit our expectations. We can still win and win big.
The next two games we need to win by a few scores. We need TDs. We need to show our offense is explosive against indy and Tennessee and win with conviction. They are still the same teams we blew out. I want to see us score mid twenties to thirty points. If that doesn't happen, I will get majorly concerned about losing our first game in the playoffs. Wildcard or the bye. Right now it is more of a minor concern when I put things in perspective.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I'm concerned... I'm concerned with all those people that were ready to discard Schaub because TJ was the second coming of Brady....
That said, TJ "can" run this offense, but not nearly at the level that Schaub can. To say otherwise is ludicrous.
That said, TJ "can" run this offense, but not nearly at the level that Schaub can. To say otherwise is ludicrous.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Showing vanilla O the next two games.
Kubes is putting in a special O for TJ, making use of his 'better than Schaub' athletic abilities .
Gonna suprise everyone in the playoffs with previously unseen offensive plays.
Championship!
That's my story and I am sticking to it.
Kubes is putting in a special O for TJ, making use of his 'better than Schaub' athletic abilities .
Gonna suprise everyone in the playoffs with previously unseen offensive plays.
Championship!
That's my story and I am sticking to it.
I knew there would be a time when the defense would struggle & our offense was going to have to step up & win the game.
Watching Matt Schaub this year did not instill a lot of confidence that they would be able to.
The defense looked suspect vs Cincinnati & I was quite impressed to see Tj & them boys on Kirby get it done & come home with a win. Against a quality opponent.
They couldn't get it done in back to back games.
We all knew this, this is no surprise. But I think we all, (secretly, or deep down) want this team to have the #1 seed & are disappointed that it won't happen.
Watching Matt Schaub this year did not instill a lot of confidence that they would be able to.
The defense looked suspect vs Cincinnati & I was quite impressed to see Tj & them boys on Kirby get it done & come home with a win. Against a quality opponent.
They couldn't get it done in back to back games.
We all knew this, this is no surprise. But I think we all, (secretly, or deep down) want this team to have the #1 seed & are disappointed that it won't happen.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
If you're down to your 3rd string rookie QB, of course you have to be concerned. Those thinking we wouldn't miss a beat is a bit too optimistic.
Once Schaub went down, we all of a sudden became a defensive team. We need our defense to win games. The offense needs to simply score about 14-17 points, eat up a lot of clock, and DON'T turn the ball over! Then let the defense do its thing. We almost lost the Bengals game because of turnovers, and we did lose the Panthers game because of turnovers.
Once Schaub went down, we all of a sudden became a defensive team. We need our defense to win games. The offense needs to simply score about 14-17 points, eat up a lot of clock, and DON'T turn the ball over! Then let the defense do its thing. We almost lost the Bengals game because of turnovers, and we did lose the Panthers game because of turnovers.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
Hopefully TJ can grow over the next two games and we can lean on the run game in the playoffs, with solid D play it's possible. But I think we go over 20 vs. indy and get back on track.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Yates has to win against Tennessee by a score of at least 41-7.
TJ has to do better than 41-7. Schaub did it on the road, TJ will be at home.
I believe when Schaub was put on IR, many of us recalled the current win streak we were on had more to do with the run game & the defense. None of that was going to change, so we thought.
We felt Leinart was going to turn the keys on to this Maserati & enjoy the ride. When he went down, we were looking at the same situation. We (or at least I) didn't think we would have to lean on the young'n to win a game for us.
That plan was canned when the defense slept through the first half of the Cincinnati game & the kid came through.
Carolina was thought to be the toughest offense we would face before the post-season & they did not disappoint. We got through the game healthy, but without the win. So what.
We got to see what would happen if we had to lean on Tj.... most of us didn't like what we saw. I thought it was a mixed bag.
I still think Kubiak is an offensive guru & will come up with a game plan over the next 6 weeks that will give us a chance to win every game.
no pressure.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Tj was supposed to have Aj to help him out.
TheCD
Rookie
I believe when Schaub was put on IR, many of us recalled the current win streak we were on had more to do with the run game & the defense. None of that was going to change, so we thought.
We felt Leinart was going to turn the keys on to this Maserati & enjoy the ride. When he went down, we were looking at the same situation. We (or at least I) didn't think we would have to lean on the young'n to win a game for us.
That plan was canned when the defense slept through the first half of the Cincinnati game & the kid came through.
Carolina was thought to be the toughest offense we would face before the post-season & they did not disappoint. We got through the game healthy, but without the win. So what.
We got to see what would happen if we had to lean on Tj.... most of us didn't like what we saw. I thought it was a mixed bag.
I still think Kubiak is an offensive guru & will come up with a game plan over the next 6 weeks that will give us a chance to win every game.
no pressure.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Tj was supposed to have Aj to help him out.
Thanks for this post. MSR, but very well thought out and explained. I have been really concerned with the last two wins, and when I expressed that some of the newer members have been very offensive about their opposing point of view. Its nice to see some of the veteran members keep their cool about their opinions, it helps to keep people on the opposite side in perspective of everything not being so bad, since I don't have to worry about defending my 'fanhood' because I have a different opinion. Thanks.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
TejasTom
All Pro
This!
I believe when Schaub was put on IR, many of us recalled the current win streak we were on had more to do with the run game & the defense. None of that was going to change, so we thought.
We felt Leinart was going to turn the keys on to this Maserati & enjoy the ride. When he went down, we were looking at the same situation. We (or at least I) didn't think we would have to lean on the young'n to win a game for us.
That plan was canned when the defense slept through the first half of the Cincinnati game & the kid came through.
Carolina was thought to be the toughest offense we would face before the post-season & they did not disappoint. We got through the game healthy, but without the win. So what.
We got to see what would happen if we had to lean on Tj.... most of us didn't like what we saw. I thought it was a mixed bag.
I still think Kubiak is an offensive guru & will come up with a game plan over the next 6 weeks that will give us a chance to win every game.
no pressure.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Tj was supposed to have Aj to help him out.
I think Yates did well for a rookie who hadn't seen much action.
The only major mistake was his first INT (but it was also a good undeneath zone D by the LB getting proper depth - unlike what we often saw with our LBs under Richard Smith.)
His second INT, I think JJones needed to come back to the ball (also, it was another good defensive call by their D, switching from a 3 deep/ 4 under to 3 deep/ 5 under).
We dropped 3 balls (OD, JJones, BJohnson).
On another pass, BJohnson also needed to come back for the ball (it was more than enough for a first down, and there was a safety deep).
Tate's 10-yd catch was nullified by a penalty.
Walter went out of bound on a catch (Yates likely didn't see it???)
OD almost caught a ball that was slightly whort due to pressure.
The pass to Dreessen in the left corner was just high (but it was good location - the action was quick, not sure if Yates had time to locate JJoned underneath... maybe he did, but wanted to go for theTD anyway.)
I feel pretty confident that with time, the game will slow down a little more for Yates.
I think he can get the job done.
He just needs to continue to practice and improve everything little by little.
I believe he's ahead of the curve, JMHO!
BTW, Caldwell looked awfully GOOD!
His lateral movement had improved greatly.
His quickness downfield had also improved.
His cut block was wicked.
He still played a little high once in awhile, but made up for it with pure strength.
(Might have problem with a better DT/NT).
Overall, I like the progress Caldwell made.
We'll see how he handle the job in the next few games.
His lateral movement had improved greatly.
His quickness downfield had also improved.
His cut block was wicked.
He still played a little high once in awhile, but made up for it with pure strength.
(Might have problem with a better DT/NT).
Overall, I like the progress Caldwell made.
We'll see how he handle the job in the next few games.
Not having a #1WR is killing us right now!!!!
Goldensilence
hipster elite
A healthy AJ will help any QB.
Like its been said here though repeatedly no matter what round he came from any rookie QB is going to have up and downs. I'd really like to win the last 2 games to get a home playoff game and first round bye. I don't want this young team to have to go on the road and win their first playoff game.
Like its been said here though repeatedly no matter what round he came from any rookie QB is going to have up and downs. I'd really like to win the last 2 games to get a home playoff game and first round bye. I don't want this young team to have to go on the road and win their first playoff game.
No, we take the best player available at the time we pick, whether it's a WR or a dog catcher. Drafting a particular position strictly based on need is a recipe for reaching.
We've clinched the division. Regardless what happens from here on out, we will get a home playoff game. If we go on the road, it's because we already won that game.
Division winners all get home play-off games.
If we get the 1 or 2 seed, we will have the possibility of having 2 home games. We'll have the "bye" of Wild-card weekend, then we'll play a home game in the division round. If the #1 seed loses, then our next game would also be a home game. If we are the #1 seed & win, the 2nd game, the AFC Championship game would be here in Houston.
As the #3 seed, if we win we'll advance & play the #2 seed on the road. The winner of the #4 vs #5 seed would advance to play the #1 seed. If the #4/5 seed beats the #1 seed & we beat the #2 seed, we'll host the AFC Championship game.
I wouldn't say atrocious. There were open receivers on most plays, Tj just didn't find them.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I think being a 3rd seed is actually best for the texans players in whole. I don't think this team is ready mentally to play its 1st playoff game against a team like Baltimore or Pittsburgh. I think it would be better to play the 6th seed, jets,titans,bengals,raiders type of squad at home vs waiting a week and playing the winner of pittsburgh/balt vs the afc west winner. Pittsburgh is beating whomever wins the afc west. Baltimore is beating whomever wins the west also.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
This line of thinking I just don't understand. How can you possibly think that playing a 1st round game and playing the 2nd round game on the road (IF YOU WIN) is better than skipping that game and going straight to the 2nd round at home?
I like being one home game away from the AFC Championship game.
Baltimore sucks on the road & we've already beaten Pittsburgh once @ Reliant.
I think we have a real Homefield advantage & think we should take advantage of it.
Blake
MMQB
I dont think anyone can refute that. If the Texans are successful from here on out it will be due to the strength of the defense and running game.
TimeKiller
Guest
I think it's all about the OL right now. If they can be the elite unit they are supposed to be we'll think the world of the skill guys. If they can't move the D or hold up the rushes, well, it'll be a lot like Carolina from here on out.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
It is a concern. Yates has played better than we should have expected from a 3rd string, 5th round pick. If he continues to grow he could be the QB of the future after Schaub is gone. His consistency is not there yet and that will cost us. The running game needs to be strong to open up some passing lanes for him.
I thought we could have run the ball more against Carolina. Kubiak yanked Foster for a series and a half after the fumble. I get that you have to send a message, but you cost your team when you penalize your best offensive player. I like Tate, but Foster is a level above him and on at least one play in that next series (a short pass to Tate in the flat) I think Foster can get past a guy to move the sticks instead of coming up a few yards short. In the 2nd half we ran the ball better until the red zone and then Kubiak tried to outsmart everyone by throwing. 2nd and goal at the 5 after running it down their throats and we throw twice producing a FG. The last drive of the game (for us at least) on 1st and goal we run for 3 yards then we call a pass play where Yates does a Carr impression and runs out of bounds 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. The next play is the interception. You have the best running back in the game. Give him the ball.
Going into the playoffs this team can beat anyone even with Yates. He'll have to make a few throws, but we've seen that he can do it. You're going to have to let Foster and Tate carry the load, though. It will help our D. 3 and outs, especially when little time comes off the clock because we have incompletions kills a D.
I thought we could have run the ball more against Carolina. Kubiak yanked Foster for a series and a half after the fumble. I get that you have to send a message, but you cost your team when you penalize your best offensive player. I like Tate, but Foster is a level above him and on at least one play in that next series (a short pass to Tate in the flat) I think Foster can get past a guy to move the sticks instead of coming up a few yards short. In the 2nd half we ran the ball better until the red zone and then Kubiak tried to outsmart everyone by throwing. 2nd and goal at the 5 after running it down their throats and we throw twice producing a FG. The last drive of the game (for us at least) on 1st and goal we run for 3 yards then we call a pass play where Yates does a Carr impression and runs out of bounds 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. The next play is the interception. You have the best running back in the game. Give him the ball.
Going into the playoffs this team can beat anyone even with Yates. He'll have to make a few throws, but we've seen that he can do it. You're going to have to let Foster and Tate carry the load, though. It will help our D. 3 and outs, especially when little time comes off the clock because we have incompletions kills a D.
On most plays?
I don't see that, TK!
I'm good with TJ's decision-making for the most part.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Really? Have you asked yourself this question:
Why doesn't TJ roll-out nearly as often as Schaub does on play action passes??
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I think the last few weeks have proven Schaub's worth to this team. I had my doubts about how long we would last in the playoffs before Schaub went down, now it's getting worse. With Schaub, I honestly don't believe we'd be one and done in the playoffs. Now, depending on who we draw, that could very well happen.
I still continue to have hope that TJ and the Texans will surprise us in the playoffs. I hope so.
I still continue to have hope that TJ and the Texans will surprise us in the playoffs. I hope so.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I'm concerned with how offensive Thorn can be.. 
Yes, he did, Bill!
How many times do you think Schaub roll out on the average?
It's a call to be made by the coaches, any way.
The QB can't decide to roll out by himself.
I'm concerned with how offensive Thorn can be..
I'm concerned with how offensive TB can be more than I'm concerned with Thorn!
If we keep saying it, maybe they'll understand.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Schaub doesn't drop straight back on a play action pass nearly as often as Yates does which tells me his (Yates) vision downfield is not nearly as good as Schaub's. Schaub can roll out and see three areas of the field. Yates drops straight back more often because it cuts the field into two rather than three parts?
That said ask yourself another question and answer it honestly. When Yates does roll-out how often do you see him throw back across the field? How often does he throw in front of him or even a little towards the middle of the field.
I'm not saying that it's a drastic difference but more of subtle difference in play calling for Yates v. Schaub.
I'm not going to break down video because I do have a job, but I know what my eyes see. So let's not turn this into the "Great Debate", because I'm not interested.
I hear what you're saying.
I'm still holding out hope that Aj will come back & have a strong run to the Super Bowl.
Aj changes this offense, it's a whole new game, more so than Schaub (I think).
Nothing against Matt, but I'd be just as worried with Matt & no Aj as I am with Tj & no Aj...
Andre Johnson is a game changer. I have yet to reach that conclusion about Schaub.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I'm concerned with how offensive TB can be more than I'm concerned with Thorn!
Bastage!
Rolling out of the pocket should make it easier for a young QB. You're pretty much cutting off half the field. (That throw back we do to the opposite side isn't something that's "normal" we started that this year & I've seen other teams doing it as well).
But, rolling out tells your young'n to focus on that half of the field. Should be easier.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Schaub doesn't drop straight back on a play action pass nearly as often as Yates does which tells me his (Yates) vision downfield is not nearly as good as Schaub's. Schaub can roll out and see three areas of the field. Yates drops straight back more often because it cuts the field into two rather than three parts?
That said ask yourself another question and answer it honestly. When Yates does roll-out how often do you see him throw back across the field? How often does he throw in front of him or even a little towards the middle of the field.
I'm not saying that it's a drastic difference but more of subtle difference in play calling for Yates v. Schaub.
I'm not going to break down video because I do have a job, but I know what my eyes see. So let's not turn this into the "Great Debate", because I'm not interested.
I concur in your observations. Like you I am not going to try to go back and prove them.
LOL at the comment by someone up thread about Yates running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. We haven't seen that in years.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
That's exactly what I told a buddy of mine when that happened. Bad memories!
I never really understood why some QB's do that. They're out of the pocket, just toss the damn ball to a cameraman or something. Or, they're clueless of where the sticks are located.