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Yates or Leinart ?
- Thread starter EllisUnit
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Lurvinator11
Veteran
If we were a bad team and not really contending, I'd give yates a try. However, since we are contending right now and yates doesnt have too much experience, Leinart is the better choice for right now.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
I dont know. Yates is undamaged by bad coaching, failure at the NFL level, and this is the only NFL system he has ever learned. Just something to think about.
redwhiteANDblue
Veteran
Yates. I just don't see it in Lienart. He's like a clone of orlovsky in my eyes. Bad arm strength and bad decision making. Yates has the arm strength and an upside. I saw him make a lot of throws and see some potential
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
agree our bootlegs are designed for a right hander. in most cases.
redwhiteANDblue
Veteran
And who knows with Yates we might get a Cinderella Tom Brady type story? Maybe a little bit of Kurt Warner? Who knows there's a chance with Yates but we know with Lienart we're getting below average qb play
TexCanada
All Pro
Leinart is going to be a lot more prepared this time around. He has been groomed for a while now, and he must know his career is on the line. That doesn't guarantee that he is going to do anything, but I would give him a chance before we just threw Yates in there.
aussie_texan
Veteran
i don't think we should be concerned but leinart being a lefty. the coaching stuff would have contingency plans for this otherwise they wouldn't have signed him and kept him at backup if it required changing the whole system.
the points about him having already struggled in the nfl is valid but i think he will surprise and perform well.
Think cassell last year just handing off then occasionally booming long to bowe.
for us it will be hand off to shock and awe and boom long to the almighty AJ!
....yes i did compare aj to god deal with it lol
the points about him having already struggled in the nfl is valid but i think he will surprise and perform well.
Think cassell last year just handing off then occasionally booming long to bowe.
for us it will be hand off to shock and awe and boom long to the almighty AJ!
....yes i did compare aj to god deal with it lol
speedfreek
All Pro
no way to sugar coat it -- either way we are in deep doo doo..
TJ
TJ
redwhiteANDblue
Veteran
Yeah that's true but I'm just being safe with my emotions. People are saying he's going to be a lot better this time with the coaching and the supporting cast but from what I saw in preseason I don't want to get my hopes up
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.
My friends, our hero has arrived.
My friends, our hero has arrived.
TexCanada
All Pro
I don't think we need to get our hopes up. As long as he isn't a complete A$$ out there then we will still be able to win most of the games on our remaining schedule. Seriously, look at some of the passing yardage Schaub has put up this year. We aren't asking our QBs to be Drew Brees out there.
I dont think Yates is ready yet ..... I gotta go with Leinart at least for now.
He doesnt have to do much , just keep the defense honest. I think he's a bit more mobiler than Schaub so the roll outs and boots will still be there.
The big difference between them is decision making .... While Schaub has run this offense for several years he hasnt made a whole lot of silly mistakes this season - Even if he has missed a few reads.
Leinart has two seasons in the system under his belt , if he can go thru his progressions and protect the ball ..... this team can still make some noise.
He doesnt have to do much , just keep the defense honest. I think he's a bit more mobiler than Schaub so the roll outs and boots will still be there.
The big difference between them is decision making .... While Schaub has run this offense for several years he hasnt made a whole lot of silly mistakes this season - Even if he has missed a few reads.
Leinart has two seasons in the system under his belt , if he can go thru his progressions and protect the ball ..... this team can still make some noise.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
what i saw in pre season was a innacurate passer who couldnt hit a WR standing still. On the other hand i saw a young QB in yates who was very accurate and looked comfortable in the pocket, and he hit quite a few big homeruns in the pre season.
We have NEVER had a rookie QB to groom, the last time was Carr and we had a horrid O-Line. Give a young guy a chance with good protection and good coaching and you may be surprised by the results.
We have NEVER had a rookie QB to groom, the last time was Carr and we had a horrid O-Line. Give a young guy a chance with good protection and good coaching and you may be surprised by the results.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
when has an undrafted RB equaled success ? When has a 7th round draft pick named Tom Brady thrown into the fire and won a super bowl, and never looked back equaled success. Seriously
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
YUP!!
Leinart has experience. He has two weeks for film study AND a solid week of taking the majority of reps!!! Lienart will be fine!
stingray
Hall of Fame
You obvioulsy didn't see leinart play when he was in AZ.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Undrafted running backs have a better chance of success than QB, the most important position on the field. Brady wasn't a rookie when Drew Bledsoe got hurt.
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.
My friends, our hero has arrived.
LOL
My friend, I think they mixed up your meds over in the mental ward. I think they gave you Timothy Leary's prescription by mistake (at least I think it was a mistake
). Please.... step away from the LSD.
TexCanada
All Pro
I think its safe to say that Kubiak is going off a little more then a hunch based on draft positions. He thinks Leinart can get the job done, so I'll take that opinion over one based on guesses.
GlassHalfFull
Hall of Fame
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.
My friends, our hero has arrived.
Shouldn't this post be in the Drunk thread?
You left out the part where that "success" (and I'm going back and check the stat sheets) was against the other guys' THIRD STRING.
We only have preseason stats on either of them and here's the comparison
Vs. Jets (we won 20-16)
Yates - - 6 of 12 for 97 yds; no TDs, no INTs
Leinart- - 8 of 14 for 78 yds; 1 TD, 1 INT
Vs. Saints (we won 27-14)
Yates - - No passing stats; two rushes for -3 yds
Leinart- - 8 of 18 for 89 yds; no TDs, no INTs
Vs. Niners (we won 30-7)
Yates - - 1 of 1 for 7 yds; no TDs or INTs
Leinart- - 7 of 10 for 69 yds; no TDs or INTs
Vs. Vikings (we got embarrassed 28-0)
Yates - - 6 of 13 for 77 yds; no TDs or INTs
Leinart- - 13 of 16 for 145 yds; no TDs or INTs
There's nothing in these stats that tell me Yates is all that. And Yates was always going against 3rd stringers.
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EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Him being a rookie QB dont mean anything. If anything it could be a plus. i wont re type the resons but they are earlier on in the thread
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
This. Christian Ponder lit us up in the 4th preseason game. How's he doing this season?
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
I agree with this. But the whole point was that he can throw a deep accurate pass. i dont want to revery to the days of carr/ragone where the longest pass is 5 yards down the field on a dump off every play.
fiasco west
All Pro
Leinart all the way.
You want to throw a rookie out there with no experience at all while we are the #1 team in the AFC? Leinart has read NFL defenses and has experienced failure already, I think there is a good chance Matt 2 will be ready and far more prepared than Yates will.
As for Matt 2 having horrible time in Arizona, that's really not fair. His rookie season was not bad, it just wasn't great or amazing and Wisenhunt has been horrible when it comes to making decisions on his QB position.
You want to throw a rookie out there with no experience at all while we are the #1 team in the AFC? Leinart has read NFL defenses and has experienced failure already, I think there is a good chance Matt 2 will be ready and far more prepared than Yates will.
As for Matt 2 having horrible time in Arizona, that's really not fair. His rookie season was not bad, it just wasn't great or amazing and Wisenhunt has been horrible when it comes to making decisions on his QB position.
TdotTexas2Step
Rookie
If we lose against the Jags, we may genuinely be asking ourselves this...
Fili
Rookie
If only our receivers were trash cans...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=NkOWTVqvkMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=NkOWTVqvkMA
Would this be the Kurt Warner not good enough to draft turned Super Bowl MVP Cinderella story
or the
WHYDFML booted out of St Louis, can't beat out a rookie in NYGiants so you gotta go to Arizona cause no one else wants you then takes the hapless Cardinals to the Super Bowl Cinderella story?
Kubiak said Lienart has been taking the first string snaps for the last couple of weeks while Matt rested his arm.
kcdoubleeagle
Waterboy
Originally Posted by Thorn
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.
My friends, our hero has arrived.
I believe the time is right to start a tripping balls thread...
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.
My friends, our hero has arrived.
I believe the time is right to start a tripping balls thread...
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
That's not true. We roll out both directions and we practice rolling out both directions.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I went Leinart.
He's more experienced and he's had a lot more snaps with the first string offense. He's going to have better chemistry because he's worked with these guys before. He's got two years in this system with these coaches.
If we were talking long term, I'd vote Yates. He's actually got more time in this system because he played in a copy of it in college. But he is a rookie and he's got zero experience or chemistry with these receivers.
I think Yates has more upside and more talent and a chance at a better future in this league but he's not as good as Leinart is right this second.
He's more experienced and he's had a lot more snaps with the first string offense. He's going to have better chemistry because he's worked with these guys before. He's got two years in this system with these coaches.
If we were talking long term, I'd vote Yates. He's actually got more time in this system because he played in a copy of it in college. But he is a rookie and he's got zero experience or chemistry with these receivers.
I think Yates has more upside and more talent and a chance at a better future in this league but he's not as good as Leinart is right this second.
TJ Yates is just taking up a slot and he might not make the team next season come on guys lets be serious we are wasting time on silly votes about TJ Yates. Matt Leinart has a shot to turn around failed career so far lets give him a chance and if he doesn't do well Houston will no doubt draft a QB in either the 2nd or 3rd round of next years NFL Draft depending how matt shaub recovers from the Lisfranc fracture surgery.
If it was that big of a deal I think Kubiak wouldn't have paid him. Schaub seems to stop before he throws anyways. I doubt it will be an issue. TJ Yates is terrible. Leinart all the way.
Bring in a veteran TJ Yates is TJ Yates who was suspect at UNC and the question I have is who do we bring in?
Two very, very interesting thoughts here. Time to start planning for the future. I like Schaub's decision making and the way he's made the team his own since he first got here. He's not blessed with the fabled "laser-rocket arm" of the Peyton or the amazing wheels of Newton/Tebow/Vick but he's worked his ass off enough to make himself into a pro bowl QB.
But the fact is he may be gone for the season and may not be himself next season. I mean, that was his plant foot that was hurt correct? And while Matty HotTub should be able to keep this ship on course to a division title, he also is one good lick away from being carted off.
All that to say you two guys are right: Time to get some insurance for this season and to start planning for the future. Here's a list of QBs that will be available in F/A next year. The draftniks will have to show us who's might be a golden nugget available in rounds 3, 4, or 5.
Drew Brees (NO) <--- hahahahaha no way in hell
Matt Flynn (GB)
Alex Smith (SF)
Kyle Orton (Den) <--- with TebowMania sweeping Denver, this might not be a bad pickup
Jason Campbell (OAK)
Donovan McNabb (MIN)
Chris Redman (ATL)
Derek Anderson (CAR) <--- I don't know which is the real Derek; the bust in AZ or the pro bowler of Cincy
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA) <--- His problem is he won't want to stay a backup
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Rex Grossman (WAS)
Richard Bartel (ARZ) - Restricted
Max Hall (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Tyler Palko (KC) - Restricted
Brian Hoyer (NE) - Restricted
Chase Daniel (NO) - Restricted <--- he looked pretty decent when I've seen him
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Leinart hasn't had an NFL defense staring at him in 2 years. Though I still go Matt2 over Yates, I think he might be a little less than fine.
grinch1134
Waterboy
Why work on a backup plan only to abandon it when it comes time to put it in place? Of course someone had to create this thread so if things turn out bad they can say "I was saying this before the bye...2 out of 20 of my football related guesses come true and that makes me a genius."
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
"Howard Johnson is right!" Sorry I was watching Blazing Saddles the other day. Yeah I'm with Bill on this one. Give the muff-hugga a shot. Hell I thought Schaub was going to be a flop when he took over. Let the tiger earn his stripes. Vugg it. If the coaches are behind him I say give him a shot.
TheCD
Rookie
Did you just...I mean...is this...
I'm stealing this...
In another troll post of the day/century
PFT last night suggested that we go after Captain Winkie. Unfortunately, this actually makes sense to me, as he would be a guy that can hit Andre in stride as well as opening up a part of the playbook Kubiak can't use with Schaub in the very deep throws. Likewise, our defense can overcome his many INTs and allow him to do what he does best (break receivers fingers). On top of all this, he wouldn't have to play a whole season, and he should be rested enough to go (if he's still in shape).
Besides, imagine if Favre came in here and won a Super Bowl against the Packers. Houston would be the media darlings of the NFL for the rest of time. This would surely never happen, but if Captain Winkie ever made sense for any team to pull him out of retirement, I think it's now. I am eagerly awaiting your many facepalms...
prostock101
Mr. Big
This board has been rather calm with the prospect of Leinart taking over.
I wonder if it would be this way if Orvlosky was still the number 2......
I wonder if it would be this way if Orvlosky was still the number 2......